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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 04:27 PM

The WAV thread reads like a parody ya know *LOL*


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 08:11 AM

Thanks for the McGonagall Captain Birdseye. Lovely! But I think my favourite bit has to be:

"The snow was on the ground when Christ was born,
And the Virgin Mary His mother felt very forlorn"

What a seasonally affecting rhyme, and crammed in amongst so many syllables too! Now there's craft.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 11:44 PM

May you all thrive and be joyful in the coming year.

And may David achieve enlightenment.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 02:43 PM

1440 x 900

Happy New Year folkers.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: s&r
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 09:53 PM

And now for the resolutions....

Stu


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 06:04 PM

walkabout,happy new year.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 06:02 PM

A Christmas Carol,by William MCgonagle

WELCOME, sweet Christmas, blest be the morn
That Christ our Saviour was born!
Earth's Redeemer, to save us from all danger,
And, as the Holy Record tells, born in a manger.

          Chorus --
    Then ring, ring, Christmas bells,
    Till your sweet music o'er the kingdom swells,
    To warn the people to respect the morn
    That Christ their Saviour was born.

The snow was on the ground when Christ was born,
And the Virgin Mary His mother felt very forlorn
As she lay in a horse's stall at a roadside inn,
Till Christ our Saviour was born to free us from sin.

Oh! think of the Virgin Mary as she lay
In a lowly stable on a bed of hay,
And angels watching O'er her till Christ was born,
Therefore all the people should respect Christmas morn.

The way to respect Christmas time
Is not by drinking whisky or wine,
But to sing praises to God on Christmas morn,
The time that Jesus Christ His Son was born;

Whom He sent into the world to save sinners from hell
And by believing in Him in heaven we'll dwell;
Then blest be the morn that Christ was born,
Who can save us from hell, death, and scorn.

Then he warned, and respect the Saviour dear,
And treat with less respect the New Year,
And respect always the blessed morn
That Christ our Saviour was born.

For each new morn to the Christian is dear,
As well as the morn of the New Year,
And he thanks God for the light of each new morn.
Especially the morn that Christ was born.

Therefore, good people, be warned in time,
And on Christmas morn don't get drunk with wine
But praise God above on Christmas morn,
Who sent His Son to save us from hell and scorn.

There the heavenly babe He lay
In a stall among a lot of hay,
While the Angel Host by Bethlehem
Sang a beautiful and heavenly anthem.

Christmas time ought to be held most dear,
Much more so than the New Year,
Because that's the time that Christ was born,
Therefore respect Christmas morn.

And let the rich be kind to the poor,
And think of the hardships they do endure,
Who are neither clothed nor fed,
And Many without a blanket to their bed.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: s&r
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 07:17 AM

WAV

"An NHS doctor turning terrorist is an extreme example,[of what? It's extreme behaviour to blow up an Airport. What makes you think that he 'turned terrorist' for some unspecified reason] but trying to have a multiple number of cultures living under the one state law will always cause problems [Why? Evidence? Justification?], and the record of (mostly economic) immigration allowed by New Labour the last decade may, sadly, result in a record amount of trouble over the next decade [ or alternatively it may not]. The UN must look at economic/capitalist/mass immigration/emigration – sensibly [and then what?]. And this is from someone who obviously DOES love the world being multicultural [It gives the traveller such quaint experiences looking at their odd customs and primitive behaviour]."

I started trying to explain your lack of reasoned argument above, but life's too short.

Regards

Stu


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 01:28 AM

"If this is Tuesday, it must be Belgium. . . ."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 01:13 PM

Well Don, lemmee ask ya'................How the hell can you learn anything in a few hours in a country? That admission alone has made all of WavFWBR's entire line of bullshit null and void. Even worse he has proven that time spent anywhere does not lead to his better understanding either as he has proven to know fuck all about the very place he lives!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 12:45 PM

". . . a multiple number of cultures living under the one state law will always cause problems."

"Always?"

Only in your mind, David. In the real world, more often than not, different ethnic groups, each with its own culture, living within the same state enrich the larger culture.

Like your "pottage," David. The more ingredients it contains, the more tasty and nutritious it is.

Your travels through 40 countries apparently didn't teach you much.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 11:49 AM

The Southern Greeks think they're the dog's cojones because they were "liberated" first from the Ottoman Empire (80 years ahead of Northern Greece). They think that somehow this imparts a certain nobility.

Most Macedonian Greeks are proud to be associated with Alexander the Great and his achievements; they think of themselves as the ones that come at the end to fix things, when the rest of Greece has mucked things up. Also as more liberal than the rest. But most Macedonian Greeks are suspicious of non-Greek Macedonians (from ex-Yugoslavia or Bulgaria) trying to re-create the ancient Macedonia - we think this is just a trick to "Serbianise" us.

And the Vlach Gypsies (the horse-trading gypsy clans) claim to be of the original Romany stock in Europe. They know thay will be the object of persecution given half an excuse, so they don't trust anyone.

And yet we all get on splendidly. Especially when confronted with those upstart Cretans! But we will all visit the ruins at Knossos and claim King Minos to have been one of the most important Greek kings. Cretan, sure, but Greek nevertheless.

It's all a joke, in other words.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 11:26 AM

Hey George..
Do the Southern Greeks, Macedonian Greeks, and Vlach Gypsies get on well together living in the same body? If not, it must be hell in there!!!!
My sympathies!
Ralphie


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 11:21 AM

Well said George. (It won't make a ha'pporth of difference, but Hey!)

I would love to wish you, yours, your neighbours and friends a Happy New Year, in your own original(!) languages....Sadly I've only got a Swedish dictionary! So.... Got Nytt Ar!
Hope you all have a multiculural time!
Ralph


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 10:47 AM

So here's me (50% southern Greek, 42% Macedonian Greek, 8% Vlach gypsy), with Vanessa (mainly English but with suspicions of Welsh heritage also), managing quite-nicely-than-you next to our Bangladeshi neighbours on one side, Polish one more door down, English-Scottish on the other side. Quite the opposite of what you claim, WAV, we get along very well despite our religious, dietary, or other differences. So much so, that a new song was written precisely to celebrate the fact, called "Street life". The chorus says it all:

"A different story every day of the week
As different as chalk and cheese the faces that you meet
And I don't care much where they come from, who they pray to, what they eat,
But I am lucky living down our street".

Frances Street in Chesham is the practical, real-life, proof to the contrary of your statement, Dave. I have often agreed with other postulations of yours, but not with this one. Not this one, by a long chalk.

Your theory has no legs.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 10:18 AM

Just takes the Biscuit/Cookie (depending on cultural background

Sorry to shout, but to quote WAV again.
TRYING TO HAVE A MULTIPLE NUMBER OF CULTURES LIVING UNDER ONE STATE LAW, WILL ALWAYS CAUSE PROBLEMS.

QED, WAV....QED.(It's Latin by the way, go and look it up.)
Now off with you.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 08:21 AM

stop deluding people and have a look at what Troll/IB/Sedayne, etc. had posted about me...I let a lot of ATTACKS go before I retaliate that strongly

As I have pointed out on many occasions in the past, I do not attack you personally, WAV - rather I attack your published ideology which you promote as your Life's Work. If you publish your ideas and opinions, you are inviting criticism - and if you don't like what the critics have to say, you must find a way to defend your work without resorting to personal insults. In this sense your retaliation wasn't strong in the slightest, rather a cowardly lashing out because you obviously haven't got the nous to defend your work in any other way. Nasty stuff, WAV - well below the belt, and most definitely not conduct befitting an Englishman, nor a Gentleman, of which, it would seem, you are neither.

I used to receive his cheap-shots whenever I dared to question immigration -

It's the grounds on which you question immigration that are the problem, WAV - your latest tirade of reactionary crap posted today at 05:21 AM is a perfect example of this, replete with prophecies of multi-cultural Armageddon, and neatly rounded off with your specious leitmotif concerning your love of a multi-cultural world, the racist implication of which would be obvious enough without the forgoing.

nowadays it's whenever I post.

You only ever post to promote your life's work, WAV - this inane tirade of ill-conceived, ill-informed self-glorifying bullshit motivated entirely by a deep seated arrogance on the part of the writer. And if said writer was not also racist, said writer would not have written what he has; likewise, if said writer was better informed (and dare I say educated) he would not persist in his highly erroneous conclusions on subjects he evidently knows fuck all about. But there he is, boldly promoting his Alternative to Reality as though God has chosen him as the New Messiah come in fulfilment of Isaiah 50:6. In which case, WAV, I urge you - either bear the inevitable blows with greater dignity or else assimilate yourself into the wondrous diversity of cultural actuality of the country that gave you birth.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 08:13 AM

Well penned Stu.....Spot on.

And yes Pip, that IS the line that once again proves it all.

trying to have a multiple number of cultures living under the one state law will always cause problems

That is a basic foundation block of every bigoted, separatist belief system. It is one WavFWBR refers to again and again. Yes he is a sad, deluded, dishonest racist. Pumping out his delusional ramblings is its own form of bullying.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Will Fly
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 07:48 AM

WAV:
trying to have a multiple number of cultures living under the one state law will always cause problems

I'm currently having a great Christmas and New Year in the company of:

(a) me - of English, Scottish, Irish and Dutch origins
(b) my wife - half English, half Polish
(c) my son - half of me and my wife
(d) my son's partner - half Irish and some Polish
(e) my best and oldest friend - totally Jewish

David - think again before you make such ignorant and insulting pronouncements.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 06:56 AM

WAV (who else): trying to have a multiple number of cultures living under the one state law will always cause problems

And here we are again. Let's face it, that's all this thread is for - giving Franks a platform to repeat his handful of racist talking-points, again and again, in the hope that someone will be foolish enough to sympathise.

Sad, deluded, dishonest racist. He's not worth our time.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: s&r
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 06:19 AM

Just out of interest who do you see as those 'like Stu' who should also be just deleted?

Stu


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: s&r
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 06:16 AM

Oh Dear WAV

It's hard to know where to start:

I don't like the tone of most of your posts. They convey most of the attributes that I would wish did not exist in the world.
But I think you think you are a nice guy.
Your posts are badly written and argued: they have been refuted repeatedly by wiser people than I.
But I think you think you have achieved some wisdom.
Your poetry is not very good.
But I think you are proud of your life's work.
Your music is execrable and your musical knowledge limited by your blinkered views and lack of research.
But I think you think you are knowledgeable.

I haven't criticized you as a person (or at any rate not much).
But I have criticized your banal and unfounded postings.

Your claim that I ignore the argument is of course unfounded as are most of your wild defences. Arguments and discussions in educated circles follow a set of conventions, where a concept is presented, with some evidence: this is then discussed rationally and systematically, by pros and cons with further evidence as appropriate.

But I think that you think you argue rationally.

This is probably why I and others try to improve your education

Regards

Stu


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 06:09 AM

...an apology: I meant stop TRYING to delude people, just above.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 05:21 AM

Tim: stop deluding people and have a look at what Troll/IB/Sedayne, etc. had posted about me...I let a lot of ATTACKS go before I retaliate that strongly. I used to receive his cheap-shots whenever I dared to question immigration - nowadays it's whenever I post.
And, while we are at it, those like Stu who ignore the argument completely and repeatedly resort to name-calling should simply be DELETED.
An NHS doctor turning terrorist is an extreme example, but trying to have a multiple number of cultures living under the one state law will always cause problems, and the record of (mostly economic) immigration allowed by New Labour the last decade may, sadly, result in a record amount of trouble over the next decade. The UN must look at economic/capitalist/mass immigration/emigration - sensibly. And this is from someone who obviously DOES love the world being multicultural.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 10:29 PM

Lessee here.....WavyFWBR done spent a whoppin' 15 minutes at a Tijuana taco stand and counted that as a great visit to Mexico. Now with this latest nonsense about religion, he proves he must have spent even less time in the United States! But then I got to reckoning he might have a point if it was the RIGHT church.

A few years ago I told of the night that Paw and Cletus found their Buddy Buford had survived a hunting accident and I let them have a party in my backyard. Things got kinda' religious at one point and the members of a local sect showed up. Now maybe they are just the right thing for America's Church! See what you think...................


That reunion led to a joyous evening of the three of them and the Reg boys getting drunk on "Iron City" and 'Shine and roasting a hog out in my backyard alongside the garage. Of course, after a while, Paw started lighting up farts as is his wont, and that's what I now have come to believe is one of those things best left unexplained.

The neighbors began to complain about 11 o'clock or so after one of Paw's flamers had ignited the hedge on his property. That would have passed as the boys got it put out pretty quick, being full of Iron City and all, but when a major rip set fire to his wife's bird feeder....well, that was it. I tried to calm the guy down and assured him nothing like that would happen again. He went back into his house dragging the charred remains of the feeder and a roasted squirrel that had been looting it when Paw let fly with that fiery thundersprecht.

Anyway, I got them situated again and since my house has aluminum siding, my only request was that they point Paw towards the wall. I figured a good hosing would clean off the worst of it in the morning. I went inside and the revelry continued at a somewhat decreased decibel level with only the occasional flash lighting the window of my den. Around 2 AM the boys came in for a final pee call and of course they couldn't just go. I heard either Reg or Reg in my pantry and before I could get up there, the whole crew was playing sink the Cheerios in my downstairs bathroom. Karen came downstairs at this point and threw a fit since our kids watch everything the boys do and we were spending a fortune in Cheerios. After a severe ass-reaming from Karen, I herded them back outside and suggested they get some sleep around the smouldering pig carcass. I went back in and after cleaning and disinfecting the bathroom and taking a shower, I again settled down in front of the TV to watch a half-hour Infomercial on how I could make thousands a week by selling quinnine pills through Direct Mail Order and running tiny little ads.

They were just getting to the good part with the testimonials and all when there was this giant blast from the backyard and the night sky lit up like a Buddhist monk. There was a moment of silence and then I heard Cletus yell, "HOLY SHEEE-IT!!!" Well, there wasn't anyway I could avoid it, so I went out through the garage into the backyard and there they stood, the whole damn bunch of them, except for Buford who was throwing up Iron City and pork fat down his bib overalls over by the smoking hedge. They were staring at an image that Paw's last fart had scorched onto the siding with their mouths hanging open. I stepped back and looked and my first thought was, "Well this ain't gonna' clean off too good and Karen will be really pissed." But when I started to say something Cletus stopped me and I noticed that the look on all of their faces was almost reverent. Paw was standing with his mouth agape and the others seemed awestruck as well, so I looked again.

Cletus turned to me and said, "Doncha seez it Catspaw? Its rite thar!!! Paw done farted Jerry Falwell out his ass!!!" Well, I kinda' had to admit, it DID resemble him in the flickering light of the burning porker on the spit, but I was too much in fear of what the morning would bring from Karen to say anymore than tell them to get some sleep. Problem was, they didn't. I went back inside, the group outside quieted down, and I nodded off before I could get the 800 number for the "501 All-Time Polka Greats" by Myron Kopetz and the Nose Flute Kings.

What I didn't know was that the group had gone off and gotten Pastor Sharphorn, his wife, the Ladies Auxillary, and the Deacons, from the "Church of Evangelical Brethren and Tongue Talking Mohunkers" and they arrived for a look-see about sun-up. When I woke up to the commotion outside it was about 6 AM I guess. The sight that confronted me was reasonably bizarre. At least 150 people were assembled in the backyard and I could see more coming down the alley. A small altar had been erected out of the remains of my stockade fence which was now on the ground, the crowd overflowing into my neighbor's backyard and trampling his stupid-ass garden gnomes into powder....it was the only high spot of the day. Those kneeling at the altar would place small plastic Madonnas and Jesus statuary at the foot of the garage wall and say a little prayer and move on to the donation box that Cletus was guarding. It was then that I noticed that everyone donating more than $25.00 was getting a "Holy Relic" to commemorate their visit to this newest religious icon which had previously only sheltered my vehicles and assorted cans of dried out wax and rubbing compound.

There, perched upon a throne-like affair that I noticed had been assembled from our porch furniture, was Paw. As each person gave his donation, Buford would cut a small piece from Paw's overalls and hand it to them. For $50. they got a piece from the seat, and for $500. a snippet from the flap of his longjohns. It was a kind of poor man's "Shroud of Turin" I guess. Business must have been good since Paw was missing one entire leg of his bibs and he was about bareassed already. I was dumbfounded and I was just considering how to set this up as an infomercial and start booking tours when the County Sheriff showed up and ran everybody off. Then he proceeded to fine me for 19 different offenses and gave me a summons to appear in court for destruction of my neighbors property.

I was able to head off Cletus and the money, which covered almost all of the fines and my neighbor's friggin' gnomes, but it cost another 50 bucks to get rid of the Falwell image. Now if I could just get shed of the real one for the same price.......................Anyway, I have never been able to figure out how that happened and I suppose it is one of those things best left unexplained. I've always thought that Falwell was talking out his ass, but I never figured you could blow him out your ass as well, but Paw's a really religious ol' coot so I guess you just never know. Really, I think Cletus had it right with his first two words, "Holy Shit!!"




Spaw


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:32 PM

. . . Death to infidels! Burning heretics at the stake. . . .

No. Not a good idea!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:24 PM

"Don - push for a change in your constitution...a Church of the U.S.A. would be a good move...also look at the gun laws and weather a good leader should have to go simply because he/she has served two terms."

David, I do believe that it would be a good idea to re-evaluate the actual meaning of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. And a re-examination of the two-term rule might also be in order. As I recall, this law was pushed for by disgruntled conservatives who were upset over the fact that Franklin Delano Roosevelt kept getting reelected (having instituted many of the laws and regulations that helped the country get out of the Depression of the 1930s—and which the Bush administration refused or neglected to enforce, which is why the economy is currently in a state of chaos—and because the voters wanted to return him to office), and was serving his fourth term when he died of a cerebral hemorrhage.

But a "Church or the U.S.A.?" An official state church?

Considering the number of religious denominations in this country that would like very much to be the State Church, which would you recommend? Catholic? Lutheran? Episcopalian? Methodist? Presbyterian? Baptist (and if so, which denomination, the more liberal ones or those favored by the Southern Baptist Leadership Conference)? Assembly of God (Sarah Palin's Pentecostal denomination)? Mormon? The Church of the Golden Globes?

How about Judaism. Okay, which? Orthodox? Reformed? Or would you prefer Jews for Jesus?

Muslim, perhaps. Sunni? Shi-ite?

Druidism. . . .

Perhaps you have forgotten (from your Humanities course, which I presume included History) that many of the first immigrants to the American colonies fled here to escape the kind of religious persecution that State Religions tend to promulgate. And that this was the reason for the First Amendment: to safeguard the right to Freedom of Religion (which some people tend to forget also means freedom from religion).

And that to make it stick, we had to beat the crap out of the English and send them packing back home.

Fortunately, our two countries have let bygones remain bygones, and all is tranquil now.

But the Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution, many countries agree, is a good model for enacting laws for the protection of Human Rights.

History has more than amply demonstrated that state churches give the church the power of secular law. In short, church dogma becomes law. And that leads to religious persecution and such things as the Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials, which occurred in 1692, some ninety-nine years before the adoption of the Bill of Rights (including the First Amendment) in 1791. For modern examples of state religions, look at some countries in the Middle East:   oppression of women, including making them dress from head to foot in black bags, public beheadings, stonings, chopping off hands as a punishment for petty theft. . . .

State religions, David? Definitely not a good idea!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:05 PM

As it happens, I'm an academic, and I find Troll/IB's posts unfailingly well-researched, erudite and academically sound, unlike the superficial, unresearched, self-aggrandising and badly written posts purveyed by WAV.

I agree with every word of that. (And, if anyone's sad enough to be impressed by these things, I've got a BA, an MA and a PhD - and I could probably fix your computer*.)

It's the sublime, ineffable, undentable** arrogance of WAV's posts that keeps dropping my jaw. Take this:

Don - push for a change in your constitution...a Church of the U.S.A. would be a good move...

This, of course, in response to Don pointing out that WAV's dream of a national church would be unconstitutional. Never mind 200 years of deeply entrenched political reality; never mind the cultural traditions of the USA, for that matter. Don should agitate for an end to the separation of church and state, because... er... because WAV thinks it would be a good move.

WAV in a nutshell:

You know that thing? Big thing, you know, takes up a lot of space. Has all the other things in it.
- Space? The universe? Reality?
That's the one. Reality.
- What about it?
Well... I don't like it. Get me another one.


*If I had to - I'm not offering.

**IB's video looks more and more apposite.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: mandotim
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 02:35 PM

To Lizzie Cornish; before you start defending WAV again, take a look at the last line of his post at 1.02pm. This is a snide and oft repeated jibe at Troll/IB, when WAV knows full well that Troll/IB was forced to drop out of high level academic study because of a serious and debilitating illness. Not quite the behaviour of an innocent victim, as you seem to portray him, is it?
As it happens, I'm an academic, and I find Troll/IB's posts unfailingly well-researched, erudite and academically sound, unlike the superficial, unresearched, self-aggrandising and badly written posts purveyed by WAV.
To WAV; you would do well to remember Denis Healey's much quoted line; 'I don't mind being called a bastard, but I hope I'm never called a shit'. Your last post was thoroughly reprehensible, and I hope you have the grace to apologise.
Tim
PS Troll/IB; I know you are fully able to defend yourself, but I couldn't let this one pass.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 01:30 PM

I have to say that (Quote)
"Wav coming in and sprinkling his droplets all around" conjures up an alarming and slightly unpleasant image


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 01:02 PM

There should be a lot more respect for the likes of Alec Salmond and a lot less for the likes of Gordon Brown.

Troll/IB/Sedayne/etc. - why didn't you just say: "I get confused, and that's why I've struggled with formal study"?


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Stu
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 10:37 AM

: : ducks : :

Whoosh!


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 10:21 AM

then whack! A kick in the balls. That's got to hurt.

It would if WAV had balls; either that or he's particularly impervious. One is reminded of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR-I7d41JGM


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Stu
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 09:10 AM

"In your head I'm sure you're a reasonable, pleasant fellow who loves his fellow man; in your head I'm sure that your beliefs are the salvation of the world."

A tickle under the chinny-winny for WAV . . .

"Many of your posts are in my view bigoted, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynist, mistaken, ill-conceived, lacking understanding, lacking research, lacking talent."

. . . then whack! A kick in the balls. That's got to hurt.

I tell you what WAV, I wouldn't bend over if I were you.

Next episode: Fish in a Barrel! Pow!


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 08:51 AM

I repeatedly get accused of repetition but, just after I mention about 40 countries I ENJOYED visiting, you again call me "xenophobic" and "racist".

It's not your brief period of shoe-string tourism that brands you as a racist, WAV - rather your insane belief that England was a more Engish place 50 years ago and your scapegoating of immigrants for all society's ills.

the bishops also mentioned loss of our family values, etc.

Which have little to do with your bachelor lifestyle, one would have thought.

I'm not sure what changes more frequently: your nickname, our weather, or the opinions in your posts (read, e.g., what you've said on Christianity since my last weekly walkabout)

Change is a good thing, WAV - to wake each new dawn to a whole set of problems & possibilities. I realise of course this must be difficult to someone as mired in their own absolutist bullshit as you are, but I was born a pluralist, with a yen for option (rather than opinion, which is anathema to us Gnostics), and thus are my passions inspired and motivated. However, my feelings on religion have been more or less consistent since the age of 7 when I realised that one could love religion without being in any way religious - especially the cultural manifestations of pre-Reformation Roman Catholicism which now languish in the hands of the Church of England.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:58 AM

Lol! Indeed, here's to far more important things...
And in case anyones interested in edificating themselfs on English Culture, there's not one but *two* examples on telly this very afternoon!

The thoroughly pants sequal (that I'll probly grudgingly watch anyway) to the wonderful ("Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!") 'Conan the Barbarian' on tonight too. Why do they always put the pants sequal on!? Huff!


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Stu
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:28 AM

Anyone know who's on Celebrity Big Brother this time round (it starts on Friday)?


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: s&r
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:16 AM

WAV I don't know you. I am unable to say whether you as a person are xenophobic. In your head I'm sure you're a reasonable, pleasant fellow who loves his fellow man; in your head I'm sure that your beliefs are the salvation of the world.

What I can judge is what you post on this forum and elsewhere. Many of your posts are in my view bigoted, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynist, mistaken, ill-conceived, lacking understanding, lacking research, lacking talent.

If you have a message, or even an opinion, does it not concern you that so many intelligent people misunderstand you? Perhaps that says more about your communication skills than your various certificates.

Regards

Stu


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Gervase
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 06:41 AM

Yup, it would make a real difference to America's spiritual wellbeing if they legislated on the weather.
More brilliant apercus from the most enlightened forklift truck operative this side of Nirvana. Honestly, I do wonder how I was able to live my life before WAV walked in and spread his little droplets of brilliance all around.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:53 AM

Everywhere you go, always take the weather with you.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:48 AM

Stu and Troll - I repeatedly get accused of repetition but, just after I mention about 40 countries I ENJOYED visiting, you again call me "xenophobic" and "racist".
Lizzie - the bishops also mentioned loss of our family values, etc.
Troll/IB/Sedayne/Sean..?..I'm not sure what changes more frequently: your nickname, our weather, or the opinions in your posts (read, e.g., what you've said on Christianity since my last weekly walkabout)...perhaps Diane likes it, though?
Don - push for a change in your constitution...a Church of the U.S.A. would be a good move...also look at the gun laws and weather a good leader should have to go simply because he/she has served two terms.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:38 AM

I've no problems with his poems, which he obviously loves writing. I've no problem with his love of England.

It might be worth pointing out (again) that WAV retired from versification some time ago. Now content to rest on his laurels, the current phase of his Life's Work (from now on presumably) is the promotion of this hoary canon in the conviction that it contains sacred truths and answers to all humanity's ills. So no real love of writing there at all really, which I'd say is as specious as his love of England, of which he has demonstrated no clear understanding nor appreciation, rather a highly conditional & racist version of how he thinks it should be.

The only bully on this thread is WAV himself, promoting his brutal law of ill-conceived absolutes backed up by the divinely appointed authority of his own arrogance and superiority whereby he seeks to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:04 AM

From Don: "P. S. Lizzie, not everyone here is a bully...."

You are quite right, Don. I apologise if I insulted anyone who came on here purely to have a discussion with David and to try to get him to see another way. I wasn't actually including those people when I was raging, but I didn't make the distinction, which was wrong of me.

It's the deeply personal attacks that get to me so.

Yes, Spaw, you too are correct, although I got caught up in replying to a torrent of abusive posts about me. I should have let them just stand and given no reply, but hey, that is very hard to do when you are the one under attack. It's one of the reasons these threads get to me, because it does bring out the same group of people who've done similar things to me, and I can assure you, it doesn't feel good. I don't like others having to endure it, but I can see that maybe David isn't that upset by it all, else he'd not keep starting threads which are of exactly the same nature.

I've no problems with his poems, which he obviously loves writing. I've no problem with his love of England.

Where we differ is that I feel that England belongs to everyone who loves her, no matter where they come from, what colour they are, or religion.

I'll leave this thread to those who love it now, for whatever reasons they may be...but I'd like to leave it with some beautiful words about England, from Ralph McTell:

Ralph McTell - 'England' - Youtube


ENGLAND

Ralph McTell

What is it about you, makes me feel this way?
When I'm leaving you, when I'm coming home
I'm lost for words to say.
And I know your faults and failures,
And the troubles that you've been through.
But it's more about what happens now
And what were coming to.

And the echo from the green hills
Runs through her city streets,
And the sun that shines on England
Well it lifts the heart in me.

What is it about you, that took men into war?
Rows and rows of crosses: Who remembers why what for?
The corners of these foreign fields,
The dust in them concealed.
Out of sight but not out of mind,
Don't you know that England feels?

And the echo from the green hills
Runs through the city streets.
The rain that falls on England
Well it washes care from me.

England, oh England
England, oh England
England, oh England

Don't make this out a battle hymn or a song of victory.
It's just a way to try to say what England means to me.
And our accents and our colours change
From the city to the farmland
From the moorland to the mountain,
From the river to the sea.

And the echo from the green hills
Runs through the city streets
The rain that falls on England
Well it washes care from me.

England, oh England
England, oh England
England, oh England

From the rolling road to the winding lane,
From the field to factory,
From summer's haze to winter's glaze,
And all the colours in between.
It's a stillness in the evening.
It's the heartbeat that I'm feeling.
Fron Cornwall to Northumberland,
From the Pennines to the sea.

And the echo from the green hills
Runs through the city streets.
The rain that falls on England
Well it washes care from me

England, oh England
England, oh England
England, oh England


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:58 AM

As a holder of a Permit To Drive A Forklift Truck as well as a qualification in Asinine Talking (linguistics) I come to bring authority to this thread.
Very difficult to determine what it's about, but the thread on English culture seems to have concluded (with the magnificent "assistance" of madlizziecornish though none from WAV) that it involves a non-English comedian and a non-English footballer.
So, there you go, WAV. Go and stand in line behind Sid James and George Best and become a Peggy Mitchell shagger.
Only then will you be what you want to be.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 08:55 PM

Lizzie, you made that same post back on December 11. Since then, I have posted twice about the logic behind Agnosticism, once regarding the "weakly" verse, and once to let Wav know he was getting a fruitcake. You have posted almost 30 times..............This thread will be what it will be.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 05:52 PM

David, you're advocating an official church for each country?

What would you do with a country such as the United States that doesn't have an official state church? In fact, the Constitution forbids it in the name of Freedom of Religion:   protecting the right of each citizen to practice his or her religious beliefs—or none at all—according to the dictates of their own conscience?

Don Firth

P. S. Lizzie, not everyone here is a bully. I'm not sure you have distinguished between an honest question or refutation of an assertion and what you call "bullying."


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 04:22 PM

many C. of E. bishops have just published strong criticisms of New Labour over the state of our society, deterioration of our values, etc.

Indeed so. A bishop of my acquaintance was famously dismissed New Labour as a '...bunch of mushy mouthed mother-fuckers...', not that they're any better of course. 1 in 5? Personally I'd sack the lot of the sorry bastards, dissolve the Church of England and return all theological, cultural, pastoral and historical Christian authority to the Vatican where it rightfully belongs. I hereby call for Vatican 3 - The Reckoning.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 03:00 PM

If you want these threads to stop, then all you have to do, ALL of you, is simply not respond to them

So practise what you preach Lizzie. Set a good example if that is what you think others should do. That way lies credibility and respect.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Gervase
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 12:29 PM

I haven't, and neither has Spartacus.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 11:45 AM

Geez, Ralph...I thought you'd given up with the nastiness.

What a great shame.


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