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BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration

Amos 03 Nov 08 - 05:56 PM
jimmyt 03 Nov 08 - 06:00 PM
Rapparee 03 Nov 08 - 06:03 PM
Amos 03 Nov 08 - 06:07 PM
Joe Offer 03 Nov 08 - 06:12 PM
artbrooks 03 Nov 08 - 06:26 PM
Amos 03 Nov 08 - 06:38 PM
Rapparee 03 Nov 08 - 06:49 PM
GUEST,Arkie 03 Nov 08 - 06:54 PM
Bobert 03 Nov 08 - 07:38 PM
Amos 03 Nov 08 - 07:50 PM
Bill D 03 Nov 08 - 08:04 PM
Charley Noble 03 Nov 08 - 08:33 PM
beardedbruce 03 Nov 08 - 08:39 PM
Joe_F 03 Nov 08 - 08:45 PM
GUEST,pattyClink 04 Nov 08 - 04:58 PM
Amos 04 Nov 08 - 05:25 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 04 Nov 08 - 05:28 PM
Sawzaw 04 Nov 08 - 07:30 PM
Bobert 04 Nov 08 - 07:51 PM
Amos 05 Nov 08 - 01:02 AM
frogprince 05 Nov 08 - 01:05 AM
Amos 05 Nov 08 - 01:07 AM
CarolC 05 Nov 08 - 01:34 AM
Barry Finn 05 Nov 08 - 02:38 AM
Amos 05 Nov 08 - 11:13 AM
beardedbruce 05 Nov 08 - 04:35 PM
Sawzaw 05 Nov 08 - 05:14 PM
Gervase 05 Nov 08 - 05:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Nov 08 - 05:56 PM
Amos 05 Nov 08 - 06:00 PM
Sawzaw 05 Nov 08 - 06:14 PM
Sawzaw 05 Nov 08 - 06:36 PM
Ebbie 05 Nov 08 - 06:50 PM
Barry Finn 05 Nov 08 - 07:03 PM
Amos 05 Nov 08 - 07:47 PM
Sawzaw 05 Nov 08 - 09:47 PM
Sawzaw 05 Nov 08 - 09:50 PM
Amos 05 Nov 08 - 11:34 PM
Amos 06 Nov 08 - 06:33 PM
Ebbie 06 Nov 08 - 07:05 PM
Don Firth 06 Nov 08 - 08:18 PM
Amos 10 Nov 08 - 10:11 AM
Amos 10 Nov 08 - 11:39 AM
Amos 10 Nov 08 - 01:21 PM
Amos 14 Nov 08 - 09:28 AM
Ron Davies 14 Nov 08 - 09:57 PM
Rapparee 14 Nov 08 - 10:13 PM
Amos 15 Nov 08 - 12:04 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 16 Nov 08 - 11:43 AM
Amos 16 Nov 08 - 11:51 AM
beardedbruce 16 Nov 08 - 02:46 PM
CarolC 16 Nov 08 - 03:07 PM
Barry Finn 16 Nov 08 - 05:57 PM
Greg F. 16 Nov 08 - 06:52 PM
beardedbruce 18 Nov 08 - 11:53 AM
Amos 18 Nov 08 - 08:54 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 20 Nov 08 - 02:57 AM
Amos 20 Nov 08 - 08:48 AM
Amos 20 Nov 08 - 02:18 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 21 Nov 08 - 08:35 AM
GUEST,Amos 21 Nov 08 - 08:41 AM
DougR 21 Nov 08 - 05:27 PM
Amos 21 Nov 08 - 05:32 PM
DougR 21 Nov 08 - 05:50 PM
Bobert 21 Nov 08 - 06:17 PM
Little Hawk 21 Nov 08 - 06:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Nov 08 - 06:45 PM
GUEST,Jack The Sailor 21 Nov 08 - 08:00 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Nov 08 - 08:23 PM
DougR 21 Nov 08 - 09:26 PM
Little Hawk 21 Nov 08 - 10:04 PM
CarolC 21 Nov 08 - 10:39 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Nov 08 - 03:20 AM
Amos 22 Nov 08 - 04:20 AM
akenaton 22 Nov 08 - 05:42 AM
Bobert 22 Nov 08 - 07:02 AM
Ron Davies 22 Nov 08 - 07:21 AM
Ron Davies 22 Nov 08 - 07:23 AM
Riginslinger 22 Nov 08 - 09:50 AM
Ron Davies 22 Nov 08 - 10:30 AM
Arkie 22 Nov 08 - 11:12 AM
Ebbie 22 Nov 08 - 11:17 AM
Riginslinger 22 Nov 08 - 12:37 PM
Ebbie 22 Nov 08 - 01:11 PM
Charley Noble 22 Nov 08 - 01:38 PM
Amos 22 Nov 08 - 01:48 PM
Ron Davies 22 Nov 08 - 04:22 PM
Riginslinger 22 Nov 08 - 06:04 PM
akenaton 23 Nov 08 - 05:57 AM
Amos 23 Nov 08 - 01:21 PM
DougR 26 Nov 08 - 12:28 AM
Amos 26 Nov 08 - 03:47 AM
Riginslinger 26 Nov 08 - 06:59 AM
Amos 26 Nov 08 - 09:49 AM
DougR 26 Nov 08 - 12:02 PM
Amos 26 Nov 08 - 02:06 PM
Riginslinger 26 Nov 08 - 02:12 PM
Amos 26 Nov 08 - 02:31 PM
Riginslinger 26 Nov 08 - 03:35 PM
Bobert 26 Nov 08 - 03:56 PM
DougR 26 Nov 08 - 05:39 PM
DougR 26 Nov 08 - 05:41 PM
Greg F. 26 Nov 08 - 05:52 PM
Bobert 26 Nov 08 - 05:54 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Nov 08 - 07:29 PM
Bobert 26 Nov 08 - 07:45 PM
Riginslinger 26 Nov 08 - 07:51 PM
Bobert 26 Nov 08 - 07:59 PM
Riginslinger 26 Nov 08 - 09:30 PM
Amos 26 Nov 08 - 10:04 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Nov 08 - 04:36 AM
DougR 27 Nov 08 - 12:08 PM
Amos 27 Nov 08 - 12:46 PM
Bobert 27 Nov 08 - 01:35 PM
dick greenhaus 27 Nov 08 - 02:13 PM
akenaton 27 Nov 08 - 02:46 PM
Amos 27 Nov 08 - 02:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 27 Nov 08 - 03:26 PM
akenaton 27 Nov 08 - 03:43 PM
Bobert 27 Nov 08 - 03:58 PM
akenaton 27 Nov 08 - 04:21 PM
McGrath of Harlow 27 Nov 08 - 07:21 PM
Bobert 27 Nov 08 - 07:36 PM
Ebbie 27 Nov 08 - 07:54 PM
McGrath of Harlow 27 Nov 08 - 08:00 PM
Amos 27 Nov 08 - 08:57 PM
akenaton 28 Nov 08 - 04:44 AM
Ebbie 28 Nov 08 - 02:59 PM
akenaton 28 Nov 08 - 03:54 PM
Ebbie 28 Nov 08 - 04:06 PM
akenaton 28 Nov 08 - 04:24 PM
Bobert 28 Nov 08 - 05:35 PM
Amos 28 Nov 08 - 07:03 PM
Riginslinger 28 Nov 08 - 07:06 PM
Amos 01 Dec 08 - 03:45 PM
akenaton 01 Dec 08 - 04:19 PM
Bobert 01 Dec 08 - 06:44 PM
Amos 01 Dec 08 - 06:53 PM
beardedbruce 01 Dec 08 - 07:27 PM
Bobert 01 Dec 08 - 07:44 PM
Amos 01 Dec 08 - 08:10 PM
Amos 03 Dec 08 - 02:52 PM
Riginslinger 03 Dec 08 - 06:09 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Dec 08 - 08:17 PM
Riginslinger 03 Dec 08 - 08:44 PM
robomatic 03 Dec 08 - 09:25 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Dec 08 - 09:51 PM
Riginslinger 03 Dec 08 - 10:09 PM
Amos 03 Dec 08 - 10:11 PM
Ebbie 04 Dec 08 - 02:25 AM
akenaton 04 Dec 08 - 04:10 AM
Amos 04 Dec 08 - 04:51 AM
Amos 04 Dec 08 - 10:03 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Dec 08 - 05:08 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 11 Dec 08 - 03:17 PM
Amos 11 Dec 08 - 04:40 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Dec 08 - 03:21 PM
Amos 12 Dec 08 - 06:39 PM
Riginslinger 12 Dec 08 - 11:27 PM
Amos 12 Dec 08 - 11:31 PM
Riginslinger 13 Dec 08 - 02:54 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 17 Dec 08 - 05:45 PM
Riginslinger 18 Dec 08 - 06:59 AM
Amos 18 Dec 08 - 09:25 AM
Riginslinger 18 Dec 08 - 11:22 AM
Amos 18 Dec 08 - 11:54 AM
Riginslinger 18 Dec 08 - 01:21 PM
Amos 18 Dec 08 - 01:51 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 18 Dec 08 - 03:15 PM
Amos 18 Dec 08 - 03:21 PM
Amos 18 Dec 08 - 03:24 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 18 Dec 08 - 03:45 PM
akenaton 18 Dec 08 - 05:28 PM
Riginslinger 18 Dec 08 - 06:19 PM
Amos 30 Dec 08 - 11:24 AM
DougR 31 Dec 08 - 01:07 AM
Amos 31 Dec 08 - 01:17 AM
beardedbruce 31 Dec 08 - 06:10 AM
Ebbie 31 Dec 08 - 12:41 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 07 Jan 09 - 07:51 AM
Sawzaw 07 Jan 09 - 05:27 PM
Sawzaw 07 Jan 09 - 05:37 PM
Amos 07 Jan 09 - 05:45 PM
Amos 07 Jan 09 - 07:57 PM
Sawzaw 07 Jan 09 - 09:46 PM
beardedbruce 08 Jan 09 - 06:56 AM
Amos 08 Jan 09 - 11:40 AM
Amos 08 Jan 09 - 11:41 AM
Riginslinger 08 Jan 09 - 01:21 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Jan 09 - 04:10 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 07:32 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 07:40 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 10:00 AM
Riginslinger 14 Jan 09 - 10:51 AM
Amos 14 Jan 09 - 02:53 PM
beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 03:01 PM
Amos 14 Jan 09 - 03:13 PM
beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 03:19 PM
Amos 14 Jan 09 - 03:21 PM
beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 03:23 PM
Amos 14 Jan 09 - 03:25 PM
beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 03:53 PM
beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 04:00 PM
beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 04:05 PM
beardedbruce 14 Jan 09 - 04:11 PM
Amos 14 Jan 09 - 08:30 PM
Riginslinger 15 Jan 09 - 12:58 PM
Amos 18 Jan 09 - 12:24 PM
akenaton 18 Jan 09 - 12:42 PM
Bill D 18 Jan 09 - 01:07 PM
akenaton 18 Jan 09 - 01:35 PM
Amos 18 Jan 09 - 03:08 PM
Stringsinger 19 Jan 09 - 02:46 PM
Amos 19 Jan 09 - 03:26 PM
akenaton 19 Jan 09 - 04:15 PM
Amos 19 Jan 09 - 04:22 PM
akenaton 19 Jan 09 - 04:56 PM
Ebbie 19 Jan 09 - 05:08 PM
akenaton 19 Jan 09 - 05:11 PM
akenaton 19 Jan 09 - 05:13 PM
Amos 19 Jan 09 - 05:25 PM
akenaton 19 Jan 09 - 05:40 PM
Amos 19 Jan 09 - 07:12 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 20 Jan 09 - 07:26 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 20 Jan 09 - 07:28 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 20 Jan 09 - 07:44 AM
Amos 20 Jan 09 - 08:33 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 20 Jan 09 - 08:48 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 20 Jan 09 - 08:37 PM
Charley Noble 20 Jan 09 - 08:54 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jan 09 - 06:38 AM
Amos 21 Jan 09 - 08:55 AM
Amos 21 Jan 09 - 12:52 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 21 Jan 09 - 12:58 PM
Amos 21 Jan 09 - 05:57 PM
freda underhill 22 Jan 09 - 07:16 AM
GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) 22 Jan 09 - 11:05 AM
GUEST,heric 22 Jan 09 - 11:46 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 22 Jan 09 - 06:49 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 22 Jan 09 - 06:50 PM
Riginslinger 22 Jan 09 - 06:52 PM
fumblefingers 22 Jan 09 - 07:03 PM
Amos 24 Jan 09 - 01:44 PM
CarolC 24 Jan 09 - 01:53 PM
Amos 24 Jan 09 - 03:04 PM
Riginslinger 24 Jan 09 - 05:26 PM
Sawzaw 26 Jan 09 - 12:03 AM
Sawzaw 30 Jan 09 - 05:31 PM
Sawzaw 30 Jan 09 - 05:32 PM
Riginslinger 30 Jan 09 - 05:59 PM
akenaton 30 Jan 09 - 07:12 PM
Sawzaw 31 Jan 09 - 10:03 PM
Amos 01 Feb 09 - 12:40 AM
Riginslinger 01 Feb 09 - 08:54 AM
Amos 01 Feb 09 - 09:45 AM
Sawzaw 01 Feb 09 - 10:36 PM
akenaton 02 Feb 09 - 04:57 PM
Amos 02 Feb 09 - 10:02 PM
Sawzaw 03 Feb 09 - 09:51 PM
Riginslinger 03 Feb 09 - 10:01 PM
Sawzaw 03 Feb 09 - 10:14 PM
Amos 03 Feb 09 - 10:51 PM
Sawzaw 03 Feb 09 - 11:13 PM
Amos 04 Feb 09 - 02:14 AM
Riginslinger 04 Feb 09 - 10:24 AM
Amos 04 Feb 09 - 01:32 PM
Riginslinger 04 Feb 09 - 01:51 PM
beardedbruce 04 Feb 09 - 02:17 PM
Amos 04 Feb 09 - 02:31 PM
Little Hawk 04 Feb 09 - 02:43 PM
Riginslinger 04 Feb 09 - 05:06 PM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 09 - 07:18 AM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 09 - 07:50 AM
Amos 05 Feb 09 - 12:29 PM
Donuel 05 Feb 09 - 01:21 PM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 09 - 12:00 AM
DougR 06 Feb 09 - 12:31 AM
Ebbie 06 Feb 09 - 01:10 AM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 09 - 01:10 AM
Little Hawk 06 Feb 09 - 01:26 AM
Riginslinger 06 Feb 09 - 08:44 AM
beardedbruce 06 Feb 09 - 09:14 AM
beardedbruce 06 Feb 09 - 10:27 AM
beardedbruce 06 Feb 09 - 10:30 AM
beardedbruce 06 Feb 09 - 10:38 AM
Ebbie 06 Feb 09 - 10:53 AM
Amos 06 Feb 09 - 11:25 AM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 09 - 01:17 PM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 09 - 01:21 PM
beardedbruce 06 Feb 09 - 01:30 PM
Amos 06 Feb 09 - 01:54 PM
beardedbruce 06 Feb 09 - 01:58 PM
Amos 06 Feb 09 - 02:01 PM
beardedbruce 06 Feb 09 - 02:03 PM
Amos 06 Feb 09 - 02:08 PM
beardedbruce 06 Feb 09 - 02:14 PM
Donuel 06 Feb 09 - 04:47 PM
Donuel 06 Feb 09 - 05:09 PM
Amos 06 Feb 09 - 11:10 PM
Greg F. 07 Feb 09 - 09:37 AM
Sawzaw 07 Feb 09 - 04:28 PM
Ebbie 07 Feb 09 - 08:18 PM
Sawzaw 07 Feb 09 - 10:22 PM
Sawzaw 07 Feb 09 - 11:12 PM
Sawzaw 07 Feb 09 - 11:20 PM
beardedbruce 09 Feb 09 - 11:08 AM
Ebbie 09 Feb 09 - 11:28 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 09 Feb 09 - 11:32 AM
Sawzaw 09 Feb 09 - 10:19 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Feb 09 - 08:12 AM
Riginslinger 10 Feb 09 - 08:22 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Feb 09 - 08:32 AM
Ebbie 10 Feb 09 - 10:44 AM
Amos 10 Feb 09 - 11:03 AM
Riginslinger 10 Feb 09 - 12:11 PM
irishenglish 10 Feb 09 - 01:42 PM
Sawzaw 10 Feb 09 - 02:26 PM
beardedbruce 11 Feb 09 - 09:13 AM
beardedbruce 11 Feb 09 - 09:15 AM
Riginslinger 11 Feb 09 - 10:28 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Feb 09 - 04:58 PM
beardedbruce 13 Feb 09 - 07:48 AM
beardedbruce 13 Feb 09 - 08:41 AM
beardedbruce 13 Feb 09 - 09:39 AM
beardedbruce 13 Feb 09 - 09:55 AM
Sawzaw 13 Feb 09 - 10:25 AM
beardedbruce 13 Feb 09 - 01:14 PM
Ebbie 13 Feb 09 - 01:18 PM
beardedbruce 13 Feb 09 - 01:24 PM
Ebbie 13 Feb 09 - 02:09 PM
Sawzaw 13 Feb 09 - 09:48 PM
beardedbruce 17 Feb 09 - 07:08 AM
beardedbruce 17 Feb 09 - 08:22 AM
beardedbruce 18 Feb 09 - 06:28 PM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 09 - 09:26 PM
beardedbruce 19 Feb 09 - 04:52 PM
beardedbruce 23 Feb 09 - 03:46 PM
Amos 23 Feb 09 - 11:16 PM
Sawzaw 24 Feb 09 - 10:01 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 25 Feb 09 - 02:55 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 25 Feb 09 - 02:57 PM
Amos 25 Feb 09 - 03:32 PM
beardedbruce 25 Feb 09 - 03:38 PM
beardedbruce 26 Feb 09 - 12:40 PM
Amos 26 Feb 09 - 02:07 PM
Donuel 26 Feb 09 - 04:16 PM
Amos 01 Mar 09 - 01:33 PM
Amos 01 Mar 09 - 01:37 PM
Greg F. 01 Mar 09 - 02:28 PM
Amos 01 Mar 09 - 05:16 PM
Ebbie 01 Mar 09 - 06:52 PM
akenaton 01 Mar 09 - 07:01 PM
Ebbie 01 Mar 09 - 07:24 PM
Amos 01 Mar 09 - 08:35 PM
Riginslinger 01 Mar 09 - 08:36 PM
akenaton 02 Mar 09 - 03:02 AM
Ebbie 02 Mar 09 - 03:12 AM
akenaton 02 Mar 09 - 03:26 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 02 Mar 09 - 08:33 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 02 Mar 09 - 08:43 AM
Amos 02 Mar 09 - 09:43 AM
Amos 02 Mar 09 - 09:44 AM
Greg F. 02 Mar 09 - 10:02 AM
Riginslinger 02 Mar 09 - 10:50 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 02 Mar 09 - 02:46 PM
Amos 02 Mar 09 - 03:37 PM
Riginslinger 02 Mar 09 - 07:08 PM
Ebbie 02 Mar 09 - 07:13 PM
Riginslinger 02 Mar 09 - 07:34 PM
Ebbie 02 Mar 09 - 07:37 PM
Riginslinger 03 Mar 09 - 07:46 AM
Amos 03 Mar 09 - 09:56 AM
Riginslinger 03 Mar 09 - 10:44 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Mar 09 - 12:30 AM
Amos 04 Mar 09 - 11:09 AM
Sawzaw 04 Mar 09 - 03:52 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 09 - 10:42 AM
Amos 05 Mar 09 - 03:42 PM
Riginslinger 05 Mar 09 - 05:01 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 06 Mar 09 - 08:05 AM
Greg F. 06 Mar 09 - 10:27 AM
Amos 06 Mar 09 - 10:32 AM
beardedbruce 06 Mar 09 - 11:31 AM
Amos 06 Mar 09 - 11:45 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 06 Mar 09 - 04:07 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 06 Mar 09 - 04:14 PM
Amos 06 Mar 09 - 04:30 PM
Ebbie 06 Mar 09 - 04:35 PM
Sawzaw 07 Mar 09 - 12:31 AM
Ebbie 07 Mar 09 - 11:27 AM
Amos 07 Mar 09 - 12:10 PM
Ebbie 07 Mar 09 - 12:26 PM
Sawzaw 07 Mar 09 - 02:42 PM
Amos 07 Mar 09 - 03:12 PM
Ref 07 Mar 09 - 03:20 PM
Sawzaw 07 Mar 09 - 03:58 PM
Ebbie 07 Mar 09 - 04:20 PM
Amos 07 Mar 09 - 04:21 PM
Don Firth 07 Mar 09 - 04:47 PM
Don Firth 07 Mar 09 - 04:49 PM
Riginslinger 07 Mar 09 - 09:15 PM
Don Firth 07 Mar 09 - 10:20 PM
Amos 08 Mar 09 - 03:31 AM
Ebbie 08 Mar 09 - 04:22 AM
Riginslinger 08 Mar 09 - 09:29 AM
Greg F. 08 Mar 09 - 11:00 AM
Riginslinger 08 Mar 09 - 12:00 PM
akenaton 08 Mar 09 - 03:51 PM
Ebbie 08 Mar 09 - 04:27 PM
akenaton 08 Mar 09 - 05:19 PM
Don Firth 08 Mar 09 - 07:41 PM
Ebbie 08 Mar 09 - 07:47 PM
beardedbruce 09 Mar 09 - 08:53 AM
beardedbruce 09 Mar 09 - 08:54 AM
Donuel 09 Mar 09 - 09:22 AM
Ebbie 09 Mar 09 - 10:15 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 11 Mar 09 - 06:42 AM
beardedbruce 11 Mar 09 - 07:54 AM
beardedbruce 11 Mar 09 - 07:59 AM
Don Firth 11 Mar 09 - 02:51 PM
beardedbruce 12 Mar 09 - 09:21 AM
beardedbruce 12 Mar 09 - 09:24 AM
Don Firth 12 Mar 09 - 04:53 PM
Amos 12 Mar 09 - 04:59 PM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 09 - 09:32 AM
Amos 17 Mar 09 - 09:58 AM
Greg F. 17 Mar 09 - 10:06 AM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 09 - 10:29 AM
Amos 17 Mar 09 - 10:53 AM
Greg F. 17 Mar 09 - 10:57 AM
Amos 17 Mar 09 - 11:02 AM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 09 - 11:05 AM
Greg F. 17 Mar 09 - 11:18 AM
Amos 17 Mar 09 - 12:40 PM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 09 - 12:45 PM
Amos 17 Mar 09 - 02:36 PM
beardedbruce 18 Mar 09 - 06:45 AM
Amos 20 Mar 09 - 12:04 PM
DougR 20 Mar 09 - 02:06 PM
Amos 20 Mar 09 - 03:42 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Mar 09 - 11:31 PM
Amos 20 Mar 09 - 11:34 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Mar 09 - 11:38 PM
Sawzaw 20 Mar 09 - 11:47 PM
Amos 21 Mar 09 - 01:29 AM
DougR 21 Mar 09 - 01:52 AM
Don Firth 21 Mar 09 - 02:05 AM
akenaton 21 Mar 09 - 04:37 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Mar 09 - 06:47 AM
Sawzaw 21 Mar 09 - 08:36 AM
Amos 21 Mar 09 - 11:32 AM
Greg F. 21 Mar 09 - 11:49 AM
Amos 21 Mar 09 - 01:19 PM
Amos 21 Mar 09 - 01:21 PM
Sawzaw 22 Mar 09 - 12:00 AM
Sawzaw 22 Mar 09 - 12:46 AM
DougR 22 Mar 09 - 04:52 PM
DougR 22 Mar 09 - 05:24 PM
Sawzaw 22 Mar 09 - 10:29 PM
Amos 22 Mar 09 - 11:15 PM
Sawzaw 22 Mar 09 - 11:27 PM
Donuel 23 Mar 09 - 03:24 AM
DougR 23 Mar 09 - 01:43 PM
Sawzaw 23 Mar 09 - 11:15 PM
Donuel 23 Mar 09 - 11:16 PM
Amos 23 Mar 09 - 11:37 PM
DougR 24 Mar 09 - 01:45 AM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 09 - 12:35 PM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 09 - 12:37 PM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 09 - 01:05 PM
DougR 24 Mar 09 - 02:48 PM
Greg F. 24 Mar 09 - 03:18 PM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 09 - 03:58 PM
Greg F. 24 Mar 09 - 04:49 PM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 09 - 04:53 PM
DougR 24 Mar 09 - 05:16 PM
Amos 24 Mar 09 - 05:57 PM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 09 - 05:58 PM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 09 - 05:59 PM
Donuel 24 Mar 09 - 07:51 PM
Amos 24 Mar 09 - 08:36 PM
DougR 25 Mar 09 - 01:31 AM
beardedbruce 25 Mar 09 - 06:25 AM
beardedbruce 25 Mar 09 - 06:42 AM
beardedbruce 25 Mar 09 - 06:56 AM
beardedbruce 25 Mar 09 - 06:59 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 25 Mar 09 - 08:02 AM
Sawzaw 25 Mar 09 - 09:08 AM
Sawzaw 25 Mar 09 - 09:22 AM
beardedbruce 25 Mar 09 - 11:30 AM
DougR 25 Mar 09 - 02:31 PM
beardedbruce 25 Mar 09 - 03:33 PM
beardedbruce 25 Mar 09 - 04:34 PM
Riginslinger 25 Mar 09 - 04:43 PM
akenaton 25 Mar 09 - 04:44 PM
beardedbruce 25 Mar 09 - 04:51 PM
Amos 25 Mar 09 - 11:54 PM
beardedbruce 26 Mar 09 - 08:40 AM
Amos 26 Mar 09 - 03:17 PM
Amos 26 Mar 09 - 05:05 PM
Sawzaw 26 Mar 09 - 10:40 PM
beardedbruce 27 Mar 09 - 07:08 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Mar 09 - 07:20 AM
Amos 27 Mar 09 - 08:40 AM
beardedbruce 27 Mar 09 - 08:51 AM
Greg F. 27 Mar 09 - 09:39 AM
beardedbruce 27 Mar 09 - 10:22 AM
Riginslinger 27 Mar 09 - 10:44 AM
Sawzaw 27 Mar 09 - 02:33 PM
Amos 27 Mar 09 - 02:34 PM
beardedbruce 27 Mar 09 - 02:53 PM
Amos 27 Mar 09 - 03:11 PM
beardedbruce 27 Mar 09 - 03:17 PM
Acorn4 27 Mar 09 - 03:36 PM
beardedbruce 27 Mar 09 - 04:33 PM
Amos 27 Mar 09 - 04:43 PM
Sawzaw 27 Mar 09 - 04:57 PM
Greg F. 28 Mar 09 - 10:40 AM
Amos 28 Mar 09 - 01:27 PM
Amos 28 Mar 09 - 02:11 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 Mar 09 - 11:39 PM
Amos 29 Mar 09 - 12:30 AM
Amos 29 Mar 09 - 01:02 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 09 - 01:28 AM
Amos 29 Mar 09 - 12:22 PM
Amos 29 Mar 09 - 12:58 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 09 - 01:36 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 09 - 01:44 PM
Amos 29 Mar 09 - 01:48 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 09 - 02:01 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 09 - 02:52 PM
Greg F. 29 Mar 09 - 06:46 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 09 - 06:49 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 09 - 07:38 PM
Greg F. 29 Mar 09 - 10:16 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 09 - 11:16 PM
Amos 29 Mar 09 - 11:47 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 09 - 01:05 AM
Greg F. 30 Mar 09 - 08:53 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Mar 09 - 09:02 AM
GUEST,beeardedbruce 30 Mar 09 - 09:05 AM
TIA 30 Mar 09 - 09:39 AM
beardedbruce 30 Mar 09 - 09:42 AM
TIA 30 Mar 09 - 10:08 AM
beardedbruce 30 Mar 09 - 10:50 AM
beardedbruce 30 Mar 09 - 10:55 AM
TIA 30 Mar 09 - 11:25 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 09 - 12:52 PM
Amos 30 Mar 09 - 01:14 PM
Sawzaw 30 Mar 09 - 01:16 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 09 - 01:19 PM
Amos 30 Mar 09 - 01:44 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 09 - 02:03 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 09 - 02:33 PM
Amos 30 Mar 09 - 03:08 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 09 - 03:55 PM
Amos 30 Mar 09 - 04:17 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 09 - 04:32 PM
TIA 30 Mar 09 - 04:43 PM
Amos 30 Mar 09 - 05:39 PM
Amos 30 Mar 09 - 05:45 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 09 - 06:06 PM
Riginslinger 30 Mar 09 - 07:46 PM
Amos 30 Mar 09 - 08:24 PM
Amos 30 Mar 09 - 10:26 PM
Sawzaw 30 Mar 09 - 11:50 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 31 Mar 09 - 02:33 AM
Amos 31 Mar 09 - 04:33 PM
Riginslinger 31 Mar 09 - 04:42 PM
Amos 31 Mar 09 - 04:56 PM
Amos 31 Mar 09 - 05:04 PM
Riginslinger 31 Mar 09 - 05:57 PM
Amos 31 Mar 09 - 08:29 PM
TIA 31 Mar 09 - 10:08 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Apr 09 - 12:33 AM
Riginslinger 01 Apr 09 - 07:17 AM
Amos 01 Apr 09 - 08:27 AM
Amos 01 Apr 09 - 11:10 AM
Amos 01 Apr 09 - 11:40 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Apr 09 - 12:27 PM
Amos 01 Apr 09 - 01:49 PM
heric 01 Apr 09 - 01:57 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Apr 09 - 02:08 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 01 Apr 09 - 03:58 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Apr 09 - 05:03 PM
Riginslinger 01 Apr 09 - 05:06 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Apr 09 - 05:24 PM
Amos 01 Apr 09 - 06:14 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Apr 09 - 07:29 PM
Amos 01 Apr 09 - 08:57 PM
Amos 02 Apr 09 - 10:21 PM
GUEST,TIA 02 Apr 09 - 11:29 PM
Amos 03 Apr 09 - 10:43 AM
Amos 03 Apr 09 - 10:54 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Apr 09 - 08:26 PM
Amos 04 Apr 09 - 04:46 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Apr 09 - 08:14 AM
Riginslinger 04 Apr 09 - 10:28 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Apr 09 - 11:28 AM
Amos 04 Apr 09 - 12:15 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Apr 09 - 12:40 PM
Amos 04 Apr 09 - 01:42 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Apr 09 - 01:59 PM
Amos 04 Apr 09 - 02:04 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Apr 09 - 02:06 PM
Amos 04 Apr 09 - 02:14 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Apr 09 - 02:18 PM
Amos 04 Apr 09 - 04:13 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Apr 09 - 06:53 PM
Amos 05 Apr 09 - 10:30 AM
Amos 05 Apr 09 - 10:59 AM
Amos 05 Apr 09 - 11:07 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Apr 09 - 03:29 PM
number 6 05 Apr 09 - 03:59 PM
beardedbruce 06 Apr 09 - 09:10 AM
Greg F. 06 Apr 09 - 09:50 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 06 Apr 09 - 09:55 AM
Amos 06 Apr 09 - 10:28 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 06 Apr 09 - 11:03 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 06 Apr 09 - 11:20 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Apr 09 - 11:29 AM
Amos 06 Apr 09 - 12:25 PM
Amos 06 Apr 09 - 01:13 PM
Amos 06 Apr 09 - 01:17 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Apr 09 - 01:36 PM
beardedbruce 06 Apr 09 - 03:06 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Apr 09 - 03:21 PM
Amos 06 Apr 09 - 03:41 PM
Riginslinger 06 Apr 09 - 06:11 PM
Amos 06 Apr 09 - 07:28 PM
beardedbruce 07 Apr 09 - 06:46 AM
beardedbruce 07 Apr 09 - 06:48 AM
beardedbruce 07 Apr 09 - 07:22 AM
Amos 07 Apr 09 - 07:50 AM
Greg F. 07 Apr 09 - 08:35 AM
beardedbruce 07 Apr 09 - 08:46 AM
Amos 07 Apr 09 - 08:51 AM
Greg F. 07 Apr 09 - 09:27 AM
Amos 07 Apr 09 - 09:36 AM
Amos 07 Apr 09 - 12:16 PM
Amos 07 Apr 09 - 12:50 PM
Riginslinger 08 Apr 09 - 10:55 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Apr 09 - 07:32 PM
beardedbruce 10 Apr 09 - 10:38 AM
Amos 10 Apr 09 - 11:08 AM
beardedbruce 10 Apr 09 - 11:22 AM
beardedbruce 10 Apr 09 - 12:42 PM
Amos 10 Apr 09 - 01:17 PM
beardedbruce 10 Apr 09 - 01:35 PM
Amos 13 Apr 09 - 09:52 AM
Amos 13 Apr 09 - 12:46 PM
Amos 14 Apr 09 - 07:03 PM
Riginslinger 14 Apr 09 - 07:21 PM
Amos 14 Apr 09 - 07:28 PM
Riginslinger 14 Apr 09 - 07:45 PM
Sawzaw 14 Apr 09 - 09:44 PM
Sawzaw 14 Apr 09 - 10:04 PM
Amos 14 Apr 09 - 11:35 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 Apr 09 - 12:33 AM
TIA 15 Apr 09 - 12:37 AM
beardedbruce 15 Apr 09 - 06:31 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Apr 09 - 03:34 AM
Riginslinger 16 Apr 09 - 09:56 PM
beardedbruce 17 Apr 09 - 10:04 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Apr 09 - 12:34 AM
Little Hawk 18 Apr 09 - 12:36 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Apr 09 - 01:59 PM
Little Hawk 18 Apr 09 - 03:53 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Apr 09 - 10:23 PM
Little Hawk 18 Apr 09 - 10:37 PM
Amos 18 Apr 09 - 11:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Apr 09 - 02:13 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Apr 09 - 02:49 AM
Ed T 19 Apr 09 - 11:10 AM
Amos 19 Apr 09 - 01:44 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Apr 09 - 03:44 PM
Amos 19 Apr 09 - 06:28 PM
Little Hawk 19 Apr 09 - 06:48 PM
beardedbruce 20 Apr 09 - 02:51 PM
Amos 20 Apr 09 - 04:20 PM
beardedbruce 20 Apr 09 - 05:10 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Apr 09 - 06:59 PM
Little Hawk 20 Apr 09 - 09:18 PM
Amos 20 Apr 09 - 10:17 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Apr 09 - 02:02 AM
Amos 21 Apr 09 - 09:37 AM
Little Hawk 21 Apr 09 - 01:18 PM
Amos 21 Apr 09 - 01:33 PM
Little Hawk 21 Apr 09 - 02:03 PM
Amos 21 Apr 09 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Apr 09 - 03:32 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Apr 09 - 03:36 PM
Riginslinger 21 Apr 09 - 03:44 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Apr 09 - 03:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Apr 09 - 04:40 PM
Amos 21 Apr 09 - 05:54 PM
beardedbruce 21 Apr 09 - 06:00 PM
Amos 21 Apr 09 - 06:11 PM
beardedbruce 21 Apr 09 - 06:28 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Apr 09 - 09:58 PM
Riginslinger 21 Apr 09 - 10:08 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Apr 09 - 10:57 PM
Amos 21 Apr 09 - 10:58 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Apr 09 - 12:36 AM
Riginslinger 22 Apr 09 - 07:09 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Apr 09 - 11:29 AM
Amos 22 Apr 09 - 11:39 AM
Amos 22 Apr 09 - 11:43 AM
beardedbruce 22 Apr 09 - 11:57 AM
Little Hawk 22 Apr 09 - 12:07 PM
beardedbruce 22 Apr 09 - 12:20 PM
Amos 22 Apr 09 - 01:29 PM
Amos 22 Apr 09 - 02:08 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Apr 09 - 02:09 PM
beardedbruce 22 Apr 09 - 02:47 PM
Little Hawk 22 Apr 09 - 02:51 PM
beardedbruce 22 Apr 09 - 03:18 PM
Amos 22 Apr 09 - 03:47 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 22 Apr 09 - 04:48 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Apr 09 - 05:09 PM
Amos 23 Apr 09 - 09:30 AM
beardedbruce 23 Apr 09 - 12:34 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 23 Apr 09 - 02:43 PM
beardedbruce 23 Apr 09 - 04:53 PM
Little Hawk 23 Apr 09 - 06:52 PM
Amos 23 Apr 09 - 08:19 PM
Amos 23 Apr 09 - 08:25 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 23 Apr 09 - 08:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Apr 09 - 09:15 PM
Little Hawk 23 Apr 09 - 09:18 PM
Amos 23 Apr 09 - 11:00 PM
Amos 23 Apr 09 - 11:13 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Apr 09 - 11:39 PM
Amos 24 Apr 09 - 12:14 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 24 Apr 09 - 02:04 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 24 Apr 09 - 12:31 PM
Amos 24 Apr 09 - 01:26 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 24 Apr 09 - 08:09 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 24 Apr 09 - 10:02 PM
Little Hawk 24 Apr 09 - 11:27 PM
Amos 25 Apr 09 - 12:00 AM
Amos 25 Apr 09 - 12:21 AM
Amos 25 Apr 09 - 04:34 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 25 Apr 09 - 12:02 PM
Little Hawk 25 Apr 09 - 01:57 PM
Amos 25 Apr 09 - 02:21 PM
Little Hawk 25 Apr 09 - 02:39 PM
Amos 25 Apr 09 - 04:44 PM
Little Hawk 25 Apr 09 - 04:55 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 25 Apr 09 - 08:19 PM
Riginslinger 25 Apr 09 - 09:50 PM
Amos 25 Apr 09 - 10:22 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 25 Apr 09 - 10:51 PM
Amos 26 Apr 09 - 11:14 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Apr 09 - 11:45 AM
Amos 26 Apr 09 - 11:58 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Apr 09 - 12:30 PM
Amos 26 Apr 09 - 12:47 PM
Little Hawk 26 Apr 09 - 01:57 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Apr 09 - 02:33 PM
Little Hawk 26 Apr 09 - 05:15 PM
Amos 26 Apr 09 - 10:21 PM
Little Hawk 26 Apr 09 - 10:27 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Apr 09 - 10:37 PM
beardedbruce 27 Apr 09 - 11:03 AM
beardedbruce 27 Apr 09 - 11:06 AM
Amos 27 Apr 09 - 12:23 PM
Little Hawk 27 Apr 09 - 12:33 PM
Amos 27 Apr 09 - 12:43 PM
Little Hawk 27 Apr 09 - 12:54 PM
Amos 27 Apr 09 - 03:49 PM
Donuel 27 Apr 09 - 09:21 PM
Riginslinger 27 Apr 09 - 09:24 PM
Donuel 27 Apr 09 - 09:54 PM
Donuel 27 Apr 09 - 10:07 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Apr 09 - 11:55 PM
Amos 28 Apr 09 - 02:16 AM
Amos 28 Apr 09 - 02:24 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 Apr 09 - 03:39 AM
Amos 28 Apr 09 - 12:56 PM
Amos 28 Apr 09 - 04:31 PM
Amos 28 Apr 09 - 04:54 PM
Riginslinger 28 Apr 09 - 10:47 PM
Amos 29 Apr 09 - 01:06 AM
Amos 29 Apr 09 - 02:51 PM
Amos 29 Apr 09 - 03:05 PM
Little Hawk 29 Apr 09 - 09:11 PM
Amos 30 Apr 09 - 05:13 AM
Riginslinger 30 Apr 09 - 10:14 PM
DougR 01 May 09 - 01:27 AM
Amos 01 May 09 - 11:38 AM
Amos 01 May 09 - 12:23 PM
Little Hawk 01 May 09 - 06:08 PM
Riginslinger 04 May 09 - 10:25 PM
Little Hawk 04 May 09 - 10:41 PM
Riginslinger 05 May 09 - 07:16 AM
Donuel 05 May 09 - 08:32 PM
Little Hawk 06 May 09 - 02:39 AM
Riginslinger 06 May 09 - 07:02 AM
Donuel 06 May 09 - 10:09 AM
Riginslinger 06 May 09 - 09:38 PM
Donuel 07 May 09 - 10:18 AM
beardedbruce 07 May 09 - 10:36 AM
Riginslinger 07 May 09 - 10:50 AM
DougR 07 May 09 - 10:17 PM
Little Hawk 07 May 09 - 11:44 PM
Riginslinger 08 May 09 - 07:38 AM
Riginslinger 08 May 09 - 09:47 PM
Little Hawk 09 May 09 - 12:42 AM
Riginslinger 09 May 09 - 09:17 AM
beardedbruce 11 May 09 - 08:56 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 13 May 09 - 07:21 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 May 09 - 04:27 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 14 May 09 - 07:49 AM
beardedbruce 15 May 09 - 08:59 AM
Amos 17 May 09 - 03:40 PM
beardedbruce 19 May 09 - 08:56 AM
Amos 19 May 09 - 10:18 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 09 - 08:12 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 09 - 08:14 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 09 - 08:36 AM
Amos 21 May 09 - 10:22 AM
Amos 21 May 09 - 10:35 AM
Amos 21 May 09 - 03:01 PM
Amos 22 May 09 - 10:01 AM
Amos 22 May 09 - 10:11 AM
Amos 22 May 09 - 10:19 AM
Riginslinger 22 May 09 - 10:27 PM
Amos 23 May 09 - 12:06 AM
Riginslinger 23 May 09 - 12:24 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 26 May 09 - 05:41 PM
Riginslinger 26 May 09 - 10:17 PM
beardedbruce 28 May 09 - 02:11 PM
Riginslinger 28 May 09 - 10:59 PM
Amos 28 May 09 - 11:05 PM
beardedbruce 29 May 09 - 02:19 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 09 - 02:33 PM
beardedbruce 29 May 09 - 03:09 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 09 - 04:07 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 29 May 09 - 04:24 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 29 May 09 - 04:30 PM
Bobert 29 May 09 - 04:34 PM
Amos 29 May 09 - 04:40 PM
Bobert 29 May 09 - 05:17 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 09 - 06:26 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 29 May 09 - 06:28 PM
Amos 29 May 09 - 06:38 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 09 - 06:42 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 29 May 09 - 09:29 PM
Riginslinger 29 May 09 - 10:06 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 09 - 11:23 PM
Bobert 30 May 09 - 08:10 AM
Little Hawk 30 May 09 - 01:00 PM
Bobert 31 May 09 - 08:46 AM
Little Hawk 31 May 09 - 11:41 AM
Bobert 31 May 09 - 12:00 PM
beardedbruce 01 Jun 09 - 07:46 PM
beardedbruce 01 Jun 09 - 07:53 PM
Bobert 01 Jun 09 - 08:48 PM
Riginslinger 01 Jun 09 - 09:49 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 01 Jun 09 - 09:55 PM
Riginslinger 01 Jun 09 - 10:16 PM
Little Hawk 01 Jun 09 - 11:05 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 02 Jun 09 - 07:52 PM
Bobert 02 Jun 09 - 08:51 PM
Little Hawk 03 Jun 09 - 12:55 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 01:17 PM
beardedbruce 03 Jun 09 - 01:23 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 01:36 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Jun 09 - 03:24 PM
Amos 03 Jun 09 - 03:38 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Jun 09 - 03:59 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Jun 09 - 04:21 PM
Riginslinger 03 Jun 09 - 09:42 PM
Amos 04 Jun 09 - 12:19 AM
Little Hawk 04 Jun 09 - 12:33 AM
Riginslinger 04 Jun 09 - 06:47 AM
Bobert 04 Jun 09 - 08:11 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 09 Jun 09 - 09:02 PM
Amos 10 Jun 09 - 11:06 AM
beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 12:13 PM
Amos 10 Jun 09 - 12:21 PM
beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 01:19 PM
beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 01:22 PM
beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 01:33 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jun 09 - 01:38 PM
beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 01:47 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jun 09 - 01:49 PM
Amos 10 Jun 09 - 02:06 PM
beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 02:11 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jun 09 - 02:59 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 03:00 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 03:07 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jun 09 - 03:10 PM
Amos 10 Jun 09 - 03:32 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 03:45 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Jun 09 - 08:26 PM
Little Hawk 11 Jun 09 - 01:04 AM
beardedbruce 11 Jun 09 - 02:30 PM
Amos 11 Jun 09 - 03:31 PM
Little Hawk 11 Jun 09 - 05:57 PM
Amos 12 Jun 09 - 12:39 PM
Little Hawk 12 Jun 09 - 12:55 PM
Amos 12 Jun 09 - 03:00 PM
GUEST 12 Jun 09 - 03:33 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Jun 09 - 03:34 PM
Amos 12 Jun 09 - 04:06 PM
Amos 12 Jun 09 - 04:16 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Jun 09 - 04:21 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Jun 09 - 05:21 PM
Amos 12 Jun 09 - 05:22 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Jun 09 - 05:24 PM
GUEST,Beardedbruce 12 Jun 09 - 05:30 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Jun 09 - 05:38 PM
Amos 12 Jun 09 - 06:56 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Jun 09 - 07:27 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Jun 09 - 08:09 PM
Little Hawk 13 Jun 09 - 03:21 PM
Amos 13 Jun 09 - 03:32 PM
Amos 13 Jun 09 - 03:43 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 13 Jun 09 - 06:17 PM
Amos 13 Jun 09 - 07:08 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 13 Jun 09 - 07:19 PM
Amos 13 Jun 09 - 09:50 PM
Amos 14 Jun 09 - 12:49 AM
Little Hawk 14 Jun 09 - 01:24 AM
Amos 21 Jun 09 - 12:34 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Jun 09 - 05:32 AM
Bobert 21 Jun 09 - 07:43 AM
DougR 21 Jun 09 - 06:57 PM
Bobert 21 Jun 09 - 07:23 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 22 Jun 09 - 06:56 AM
Bobert 22 Jun 09 - 07:55 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 22 Jun 09 - 08:02 AM
Bobert 22 Jun 09 - 08:12 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 22 Jun 09 - 08:22 AM
Little Hawk 22 Jun 09 - 09:53 AM
Bobert 22 Jun 09 - 12:40 PM
Little Hawk 22 Jun 09 - 01:31 PM
Amos 22 Jun 09 - 01:37 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 22 Jun 09 - 01:39 PM
Little Hawk 22 Jun 09 - 11:32 PM
Bobert 23 Jun 09 - 08:42 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 23 Jun 09 - 09:06 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 23 Jun 09 - 09:14 AM
Little Hawk 23 Jun 09 - 09:51 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 23 Jun 09 - 01:11 PM
Amos 23 Jun 09 - 02:28 PM
Amos 23 Jun 09 - 03:52 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 24 Jun 09 - 02:40 AM
GUEST,BEARDEDBRUCE 24 Jun 09 - 02:48 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 25 Jun 09 - 06:35 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 25 Jun 09 - 07:30 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 02 Jul 09 - 06:52 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 02 Jul 09 - 09:53 AM
Amos 02 Jul 09 - 10:20 AM
beardedbruce 02 Jul 09 - 10:46 AM
Little Hawk 02 Jul 09 - 11:10 AM
Amos 02 Jul 09 - 11:16 AM
Amos 06 Jul 09 - 01:35 PM
Little Hawk 07 Jul 09 - 12:48 AM
Amos 07 Jul 09 - 09:52 AM
Little Hawk 07 Jul 09 - 10:43 AM
Amos 07 Jul 09 - 12:52 PM
Amos 07 Jul 09 - 12:55 PM
Riginslinger 07 Jul 09 - 01:22 PM
Amos 07 Jul 09 - 02:14 PM
Amos 07 Jul 09 - 02:30 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 14 Jul 09 - 04:46 PM
Amos 15 Jul 09 - 03:40 PM
Amos 17 Jul 09 - 11:24 AM
beardedbruce 17 Jul 09 - 01:03 PM
Little Hawk 17 Jul 09 - 01:06 PM
beardedbruce 17 Jul 09 - 05:52 PM
beardedbruce 17 Jul 09 - 05:54 PM
beardedbruce 17 Jul 09 - 08:39 PM
Little Hawk 17 Jul 09 - 08:53 PM
Riginslinger 17 Jul 09 - 09:26 PM
beardedbruce 20 Jul 09 - 06:28 AM
beardedbruce 20 Jul 09 - 06:36 AM
beardedbruce 21 Jul 09 - 05:26 PM
Little Hawk 21 Jul 09 - 05:52 PM
Amos 21 Jul 09 - 07:10 PM
Amos 23 Jul 09 - 05:17 PM
beardedbruce 23 Jul 09 - 05:31 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jul 09 - 07:57 PM
beardedbruce 24 Jul 09 - 10:04 AM
Little Hawk 25 Jul 09 - 01:07 PM
Amos 26 Jul 09 - 10:24 PM
Riginslinger 26 Jul 09 - 11:42 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 04 Aug 09 - 03:16 PM
Amos 04 Aug 09 - 03:21 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 04 Aug 09 - 03:25 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 04 Aug 09 - 03:31 PM
Amos 04 Aug 09 - 04:11 PM
beardedbruce 04 Aug 09 - 04:49 PM
beardedbruce 05 Aug 09 - 10:03 AM
Amos 05 Aug 09 - 01:36 PM
Amos 05 Aug 09 - 01:38 PM
Amos 06 Aug 09 - 11:23 AM
Amos 06 Aug 09 - 11:46 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 06 Aug 09 - 03:36 PM
Amos 06 Aug 09 - 03:49 PM
Amos 06 Aug 09 - 03:53 PM
Little Hawk 06 Aug 09 - 10:28 PM
beardedbruce 07 Aug 09 - 02:53 PM
beardedbruce 07 Aug 09 - 02:55 PM
Amos 07 Aug 09 - 04:26 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 12 Aug 09 - 05:00 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 13 Aug 09 - 03:14 PM
Little Hawk 13 Aug 09 - 04:21 PM
beardedbruce 13 Aug 09 - 04:33 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 13 Aug 09 - 04:44 PM
Little Hawk 13 Aug 09 - 05:36 PM
Riginslinger 13 Aug 09 - 06:04 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 13 Aug 09 - 06:07 PM
beardedbruce 17 Aug 09 - 03:41 PM
Amos 17 Aug 09 - 04:21 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 17 Aug 09 - 04:26 PM
Amos 17 Aug 09 - 04:43 PM
Little Hawk 17 Aug 09 - 04:44 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 17 Aug 09 - 05:05 PM
Little Hawk 17 Aug 09 - 05:43 PM
Amos 18 Aug 09 - 02:21 PM
beardedbruce 18 Aug 09 - 02:47 PM
Donuel 18 Aug 09 - 03:08 PM
beardedbruce 18 Aug 09 - 06:17 PM
Greg F. 18 Aug 09 - 07:30 PM
Amos 18 Aug 09 - 07:33 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 18 Aug 09 - 07:40 PM
Amos 18 Aug 09 - 08:24 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 18 Aug 09 - 08:28 PM
Greg F. 18 Aug 09 - 10:29 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 18 Aug 09 - 10:32 PM
Sawzaw 19 Aug 09 - 12:39 PM
Amos 19 Aug 09 - 12:54 PM
Greg F. 19 Aug 09 - 12:57 PM
Greg F. 19 Aug 09 - 01:14 PM
Sawzaw 19 Aug 09 - 02:02 PM
Amos 19 Aug 09 - 02:06 PM
Sawzaw 19 Aug 09 - 02:51 PM
Amos 19 Aug 09 - 03:23 PM
Little Hawk 19 Aug 09 - 03:29 PM
Amos 19 Aug 09 - 03:32 PM
Little Hawk 19 Aug 09 - 07:11 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 19 Aug 09 - 10:35 PM
Donuel 19 Aug 09 - 11:12 PM
Amos 19 Aug 09 - 11:19 PM
Greg F. 20 Aug 09 - 07:33 AM
Sawzaw 20 Aug 09 - 09:45 AM
Little Hawk 20 Aug 09 - 11:02 AM
beardedbruce 20 Aug 09 - 12:55 PM
Greg F. 20 Aug 09 - 06:47 PM
Greg F. 20 Aug 09 - 06:50 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Aug 09 - 03:07 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Aug 09 - 03:36 PM
Amos 21 Aug 09 - 05:26 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Aug 09 - 06:50 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Aug 09 - 06:59 PM
Amos 21 Aug 09 - 07:10 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Aug 09 - 07:22 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 21 Aug 09 - 07:51 PM
Amos 21 Aug 09 - 09:19 PM
Amos 21 Aug 09 - 09:22 PM
Amos 21 Aug 09 - 11:32 PM
Little Hawk 22 Aug 09 - 01:40 AM
Little Hawk 22 Aug 09 - 02:43 AM
Peace 22 Aug 09 - 02:47 AM
Amos 22 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM
Little Hawk 22 Aug 09 - 12:31 PM
Amos 24 Aug 09 - 11:28 AM
Little Hawk 24 Aug 09 - 11:35 AM
Amos 24 Aug 09 - 12:20 PM
Little Hawk 24 Aug 09 - 12:38 PM
Amos 24 Aug 09 - 01:47 PM
Little Hawk 24 Aug 09 - 04:17 PM
Amos 25 Aug 09 - 06:09 PM
Amos 26 Aug 09 - 11:55 AM
beardedbruce 26 Aug 09 - 12:43 PM
Amos 26 Aug 09 - 03:43 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 26 Aug 09 - 04:54 PM
Little Hawk 26 Aug 09 - 06:02 PM
Amos 26 Aug 09 - 10:56 PM
Riginslinger 26 Aug 09 - 11:05 PM
Amos 27 Aug 09 - 12:12 AM
Little Hawk 27 Aug 09 - 01:19 AM
Sawzaw 27 Aug 09 - 10:04 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 01 Sep 09 - 05:56 AM
Little Hawk 02 Sep 09 - 02:05 AM
Sawzaw 03 Sep 09 - 10:04 PM
Little Hawk 03 Sep 09 - 10:26 PM
Amos 03 Sep 09 - 10:29 PM
Sawzaw 03 Sep 09 - 10:56 PM
Sawzaw 03 Sep 09 - 11:08 PM
Little Hawk 04 Sep 09 - 10:51 AM
Donuel 04 Sep 09 - 01:24 PM
Donuel 04 Sep 09 - 01:25 PM
Little Hawk 04 Sep 09 - 01:26 PM
Amos 04 Sep 09 - 03:43 PM
Amos 04 Sep 09 - 03:53 PM
Amos 10 Sep 09 - 12:13 PM
Amos 10 Sep 09 - 04:37 PM
Sawzaw 14 Sep 09 - 01:55 PM
Amos 14 Sep 09 - 02:05 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 14 Sep 09 - 02:27 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 15 Sep 09 - 08:34 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 15 Sep 09 - 08:48 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 15 Sep 09 - 09:07 AM
beardedbruce 15 Sep 09 - 09:59 AM
Amos 15 Sep 09 - 12:04 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 15 Sep 09 - 01:20 PM
Amos 15 Sep 09 - 02:27 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 15 Sep 09 - 02:41 PM
beardedbruce 15 Sep 09 - 03:14 PM
Amos 15 Sep 09 - 03:15 PM
Donuel 15 Sep 09 - 04:01 PM
Amos 15 Sep 09 - 04:49 PM
Sawzaw 17 Sep 09 - 11:20 PM
Amos 22 Sep 09 - 11:19 AM
Amos 22 Sep 09 - 02:31 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 23 Sep 09 - 02:58 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 23 Sep 09 - 06:52 PM
Little Hawk 23 Sep 09 - 07:12 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 24 Sep 09 - 02:05 PM
Riginslinger 24 Sep 09 - 02:38 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 24 Sep 09 - 03:59 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 24 Sep 09 - 10:10 PM
Little Hawk 25 Sep 09 - 12:32 AM
Riginslinger 25 Sep 09 - 07:42 AM
Little Hawk 25 Sep 09 - 09:36 AM
Riginslinger 25 Sep 09 - 12:22 PM
Little Hawk 25 Sep 09 - 01:37 PM
beardedbruce 25 Sep 09 - 02:33 PM
Riginslinger 25 Sep 09 - 05:11 PM
Little Hawk 25 Sep 09 - 07:17 PM
beardedbruce 29 Sep 09 - 06:50 AM
beardedbruce 29 Sep 09 - 06:52 AM
beardedbruce 29 Sep 09 - 12:43 PM
beardedbruce 29 Sep 09 - 12:47 PM
Little Hawk 29 Sep 09 - 10:13 PM
beardedbruce 30 Sep 09 - 06:38 AM
beardedbruce 30 Sep 09 - 06:41 AM
beardedbruce 30 Sep 09 - 06:43 AM
beardedbruce 30 Sep 09 - 06:44 AM
Little Hawk 30 Sep 09 - 09:55 AM
beardedbruce 30 Sep 09 - 10:56 AM
beardedbruce 30 Sep 09 - 11:10 AM
Little Hawk 30 Sep 09 - 11:12 AM
Little Hawk 30 Sep 09 - 01:05 PM
beardedbruce 01 Oct 09 - 06:53 AM
Little Hawk 01 Oct 09 - 11:19 AM
beardedbruce 06 Oct 09 - 08:34 PM
beardedbruce 06 Oct 09 - 08:36 PM
Amos 08 Oct 09 - 03:53 PM
Little Hawk 08 Oct 09 - 05:31 PM
beardedbruce 08 Oct 09 - 05:36 PM
Little Hawk 08 Oct 09 - 05:55 PM
beardedbruce 13 Oct 09 - 09:32 AM
beardedbruce 13 Oct 09 - 10:52 AM
Little Hawk 13 Oct 09 - 12:10 PM
Sawzaw 14 Oct 09 - 12:28 AM
Little Hawk 14 Oct 09 - 12:33 AM
beardedbruce 15 Oct 09 - 06:49 AM
beardedbruce 15 Oct 09 - 07:42 AM
beardedbruce 15 Oct 09 - 08:57 AM
beardedbruce 15 Oct 09 - 09:34 AM
beardedbruce 15 Oct 09 - 10:30 AM
Little Hawk 15 Oct 09 - 10:45 AM
beardedbruce 15 Oct 09 - 11:21 AM
beardedbruce 15 Oct 09 - 11:27 AM
Amos 15 Oct 09 - 04:14 PM
Little Hawk 15 Oct 09 - 04:49 PM
Amos 15 Oct 09 - 06:41 PM
Sawzaw 15 Oct 09 - 08:43 PM
Little Hawk 15 Oct 09 - 11:53 PM
Sawzaw 18 Oct 09 - 01:10 PM
Little Hawk 18 Oct 09 - 01:11 PM
Little Hawk 18 Oct 09 - 01:29 PM
Sawzaw 19 Oct 09 - 12:33 AM
Little Hawk 19 Oct 09 - 01:43 AM
Sawzaw 20 Oct 09 - 11:20 PM
Sawzaw 21 Oct 09 - 12:34 AM
Amos 23 Oct 09 - 11:54 AM
Sawzaw 26 Oct 09 - 02:42 PM
Sawzaw 26 Oct 09 - 03:42 PM
Sawzaw 26 Oct 09 - 10:33 PM
Sawzaw 29 Oct 09 - 08:04 PM
Little Hawk 29 Oct 09 - 08:11 PM
Sawzaw 29 Oct 09 - 08:34 PM
Amos 29 Oct 09 - 08:35 PM
Sawzaw 29 Oct 09 - 09:08 PM
Sawzaw 29 Oct 09 - 09:16 PM
Little Hawk 30 Oct 09 - 12:23 AM
Amos 30 Oct 09 - 10:26 AM
Amos 30 Oct 09 - 10:29 AM
Little Hawk 30 Oct 09 - 05:18 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Oct 09 - 05:55 PM
Amos 30 Oct 09 - 06:39 PM
Little Hawk 30 Oct 09 - 06:42 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Oct 09 - 07:29 PM
Little Hawk 30 Oct 09 - 08:00 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Oct 09 - 09:44 PM
Amos 01 Nov 09 - 10:08 AM
Amos 01 Nov 09 - 11:20 AM
Amos 01 Nov 09 - 01:49 PM
Amos 04 Nov 09 - 03:46 PM
Amos 04 Nov 09 - 06:22 PM
Little Hawk 05 Nov 09 - 01:07 PM
Amos 06 Nov 09 - 01:36 PM
Little Hawk 06 Nov 09 - 04:36 PM
Amos 11 Nov 09 - 12:45 PM
Little Hawk 11 Nov 09 - 03:23 PM
Little Hawk 11 Nov 09 - 05:07 PM
DougR 11 Nov 09 - 06:21 PM
Amos 11 Nov 09 - 06:21 PM
Little Hawk 11 Nov 09 - 06:45 PM
Little Hawk 11 Nov 09 - 06:52 PM
Bobert 11 Nov 09 - 08:09 PM
Amos 11 Nov 09 - 08:39 PM
Little Hawk 11 Nov 09 - 08:42 PM
Amos 11 Nov 09 - 11:21 PM
Bobert 12 Nov 09 - 08:32 AM
Amos 12 Nov 09 - 10:01 AM
Little Hawk 12 Nov 09 - 12:12 PM
Amos 12 Nov 09 - 12:36 PM
Little Hawk 12 Nov 09 - 01:08 PM
Amos 12 Nov 09 - 01:29 PM
Little Hawk 12 Nov 09 - 04:14 PM
Bobert 12 Nov 09 - 04:43 PM
Little Hawk 12 Nov 09 - 04:48 PM
Amos 20 Nov 09 - 10:39 AM
Sawzaw 27 Nov 09 - 05:11 PM
Little Hawk 27 Nov 09 - 05:21 PM
GUEST,Bobert, still in Charlotte 27 Nov 09 - 09:30 PM
GUEST,bankley 02 Dec 09 - 08:04 AM
Sawzaw 02 Dec 09 - 12:13 PM
Sawzaw 02 Dec 09 - 12:35 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 02 Dec 09 - 12:40 PM
Little Hawk 02 Dec 09 - 01:03 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Dec 09 - 01:59 PM
Little Hawk 03 Dec 09 - 02:04 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 03 Dec 09 - 11:30 PM
Little Hawk 04 Dec 09 - 01:50 AM
Riginslinger 04 Dec 09 - 10:39 PM
Sawzaw 06 Dec 09 - 11:43 AM
GUEST,bankley 06 Dec 09 - 01:29 PM
Little Hawk 06 Dec 09 - 01:34 PM
Sawzaw 06 Dec 09 - 05:23 PM
Little Hawk 06 Dec 09 - 05:46 PM
Amos 08 Dec 09 - 11:19 AM
Sawzaw 08 Dec 09 - 12:21 PM
Little Hawk 08 Dec 09 - 12:36 PM
Bobert 08 Dec 09 - 06:28 PM
Little Hawk 08 Dec 09 - 06:40 PM
GUEST,number 6 09 Dec 09 - 12:06 AM
Bobert 09 Dec 09 - 08:31 AM
GUEST,number 6 09 Dec 09 - 11:08 AM
Bobert 09 Dec 09 - 12:33 PM
Donuel 10 Dec 09 - 10:52 AM
Amos 10 Dec 09 - 11:23 AM
Amos 10 Dec 09 - 11:25 AM
Amos 10 Dec 09 - 11:26 AM
Sawzaw 10 Dec 09 - 11:28 AM
Sawzaw 10 Dec 09 - 12:07 PM
Little Hawk 10 Dec 09 - 01:47 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Dec 09 - 02:35 PM
Little Hawk 10 Dec 09 - 03:11 PM
Little Hawk 10 Dec 09 - 03:24 PM
Amos 10 Dec 09 - 04:29 PM
Bobert 10 Dec 09 - 04:45 PM
Amos 10 Dec 09 - 05:24 PM
Little Hawk 10 Dec 09 - 06:42 PM
Bobert 10 Dec 09 - 08:15 PM
Little Hawk 10 Dec 09 - 08:20 PM
Sawzaw 10 Dec 09 - 08:50 PM
Bobert 10 Dec 09 - 09:43 PM
Sawzaw 10 Dec 09 - 09:56 PM
Little Hawk 10 Dec 09 - 10:09 PM
Riginslinger 10 Dec 09 - 10:35 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Dec 09 - 10:53 PM
Bobert 11 Dec 09 - 07:02 AM
Little Hawk 11 Dec 09 - 01:31 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 11 Dec 09 - 06:26 PM
Amos 11 Dec 09 - 07:42 PM
Little Hawk 11 Dec 09 - 07:44 PM
Bobert 11 Dec 09 - 07:46 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 11 Dec 09 - 08:58 PM
Little Hawk 11 Dec 09 - 09:04 PM
Sawzaw 18 Dec 09 - 11:19 AM
Little Hawk 18 Dec 09 - 11:29 AM
Sawzaw 18 Dec 09 - 11:30 AM
Amos 18 Dec 09 - 03:01 PM
Sawzaw 18 Dec 09 - 10:26 PM
Sawzaw 18 Dec 09 - 10:35 PM
Sawzaw 18 Dec 09 - 10:47 PM
Sawzaw 19 Dec 09 - 12:58 AM
Sawzaw 24 Dec 09 - 09:11 AM
Sawzaw 24 Dec 09 - 09:51 AM
Bobert 24 Dec 09 - 10:12 AM
Sawzaw 24 Dec 09 - 01:11 PM
Riginslinger 25 Dec 09 - 06:58 AM
Sawzaw 28 Dec 09 - 11:11 AM
Little Hawk 28 Dec 09 - 11:34 AM
Bobert 28 Dec 09 - 02:43 PM
Little Hawk 28 Dec 09 - 03:53 PM
Bobert 28 Dec 09 - 04:10 PM
Amos 31 Dec 09 - 12:08 PM
Little Hawk 31 Dec 09 - 01:58 PM
Amos 31 Dec 09 - 04:03 PM
Amos 04 Jan 10 - 11:57 AM
Sawzaw 04 Jan 10 - 11:30 PM
Bobert 05 Jan 10 - 08:47 AM
Little Hawk 05 Jan 10 - 12:08 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jan 10 - 12:48 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jan 10 - 12:54 PM
Amos 08 Jan 10 - 01:04 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jan 10 - 01:05 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jan 10 - 01:06 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jan 10 - 01:07 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jan 10 - 01:53 PM
beardedbruce 08 Jan 10 - 01:57 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jan 10 - 02:07 PM
Amos 08 Jan 10 - 02:13 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jan 10 - 02:54 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jan 10 - 03:00 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jan 10 - 04:37 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jan 10 - 04:49 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jan 10 - 04:58 PM
Amos 12 Jan 10 - 04:17 PM
Jack the Sailor 12 Jan 10 - 07:18 PM
Sawzaw 12 Jan 10 - 10:39 PM
Sawzaw 12 Jan 10 - 10:55 PM
Sawzaw 13 Jan 10 - 01:55 AM
beardedbruce 13 Jan 10 - 02:45 PM
Little Hawk 14 Jan 10 - 02:31 PM
Sawzaw 15 Jan 10 - 02:10 AM
Bobert 15 Jan 10 - 07:48 AM
Little Hawk 15 Jan 10 - 11:59 AM
Bobert 15 Jan 10 - 01:30 PM
beardedbruce 15 Jan 10 - 02:34 PM
Little Hawk 15 Jan 10 - 02:46 PM
beardedbruce 15 Jan 10 - 02:49 PM
Little Hawk 15 Jan 10 - 03:03 PM
beardedbruce 15 Jan 10 - 03:07 PM
Little Hawk 15 Jan 10 - 04:25 PM
Sawzaw 18 Jan 10 - 09:40 AM
Sawzaw 18 Jan 10 - 10:27 AM
Sawzaw 18 Jan 10 - 10:47 AM
Sawzaw 18 Jan 10 - 12:11 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jan 10 - 12:54 PM
Little Hawk 18 Jan 10 - 02:04 PM
Amos 19 Jan 10 - 10:47 AM
DougR 19 Jan 10 - 02:07 PM
Amos 19 Jan 10 - 02:41 PM
Amos 19 Jan 10 - 03:31 PM
Amos 19 Jan 10 - 06:49 PM
GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River 19 Jan 10 - 06:55 PM
Sawzaw 19 Jan 10 - 09:52 PM
Riginslinger 19 Jan 10 - 10:27 PM
Amos 19 Jan 10 - 11:40 PM
Sawzaw 20 Jan 10 - 01:43 AM
Sawzaw 20 Jan 10 - 01:58 AM
Amos 20 Jan 10 - 06:19 PM
beardedbruce 20 Jan 10 - 06:41 PM
Sawzaw 20 Jan 10 - 10:32 PM
Sawzaw 20 Jan 10 - 10:34 PM
mousethief 20 Jan 10 - 10:50 PM
Sawzaw 20 Jan 10 - 11:24 PM
mousethief 20 Jan 10 - 11:37 PM
mousethief 20 Jan 10 - 11:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Jan 10 - 01:40 AM
Sawzaw 21 Jan 10 - 10:39 AM
Sawzaw 21 Jan 10 - 11:05 AM
Amos 21 Jan 10 - 12:35 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Jan 10 - 02:30 AM
Little Hawk 22 Jan 10 - 07:39 AM
Riginslinger 22 Jan 10 - 06:11 PM
Bobert 22 Jan 10 - 06:32 PM
Riginslinger 22 Jan 10 - 06:41 PM
Amos 22 Jan 10 - 08:37 PM
Little Hawk 22 Jan 10 - 08:42 PM
Sawzaw 25 Jan 10 - 11:59 PM
Sawzaw 26 Jan 10 - 11:18 AM
Sawzaw 26 Jan 10 - 11:50 AM
Sawzaw 26 Jan 10 - 12:04 PM
Little Hawk 26 Jan 10 - 12:10 PM
Sawzaw 26 Jan 10 - 04:15 PM
Bobert 26 Jan 10 - 04:44 PM
Sawzaw 26 Jan 10 - 11:24 PM
number 6 27 Jan 10 - 07:29 AM
Bobert 27 Jan 10 - 08:23 AM
Bobert 27 Jan 10 - 08:43 AM
Sawzaw 27 Jan 10 - 11:37 AM
Little Hawk 27 Jan 10 - 11:50 AM
number 6 27 Jan 10 - 11:55 AM
Little Hawk 27 Jan 10 - 11:57 AM
Sawzaw 27 Jan 10 - 12:02 PM
Little Hawk 27 Jan 10 - 12:21 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jan 10 - 03:04 PM
Sawzaw 27 Jan 10 - 10:30 PM
Sawzaw 28 Jan 10 - 12:51 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jan 10 - 02:17 PM
Sawzaw 29 Jan 10 - 09:40 PM
mousethief 29 Jan 10 - 10:32 PM
Sawzaw 29 Jan 10 - 10:44 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jan 10 - 10:59 PM
mousethief 29 Jan 10 - 11:00 PM
Sawzaw 29 Jan 10 - 11:50 PM
Bobert 30 Jan 10 - 08:22 AM
Little Hawk 30 Jan 10 - 11:22 AM
Sawzaw 31 Jan 10 - 10:24 PM
Sawzaw 31 Jan 10 - 11:20 PM
CarolC 31 Jan 10 - 11:36 PM
Little Hawk 01 Feb 10 - 11:48 AM
Amos 01 Feb 10 - 01:11 PM
Sawzaw 01 Feb 10 - 03:35 PM
Little Hawk 01 Feb 10 - 04:03 PM
Sawzaw 01 Feb 10 - 04:10 PM
Little Hawk 01 Feb 10 - 04:23 PM
Sawzaw 01 Feb 10 - 04:57 PM
Little Hawk 01 Feb 10 - 05:54 PM
Sawzaw 02 Feb 10 - 12:38 AM
Sawzaw 02 Feb 10 - 12:42 AM
Sawzaw 02 Feb 10 - 12:50 AM
Little Hawk 02 Feb 10 - 12:30 PM
mousethief 02 Feb 10 - 02:03 PM
CarolC 02 Feb 10 - 05:42 PM
beardedbruce 03 Feb 10 - 01:32 PM
CarolC 03 Feb 10 - 04:47 PM
mousethief 03 Feb 10 - 06:23 PM
Amos 03 Feb 10 - 06:59 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Feb 10 - 08:04 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 04 Feb 10 - 02:16 AM
beardedbruce 04 Feb 10 - 10:07 AM
Amos 04 Feb 10 - 10:23 AM
beardedbruce 04 Feb 10 - 10:33 AM
beardedbruce 04 Feb 10 - 10:37 AM
beardedbruce 04 Feb 10 - 10:53 AM
Amos 04 Feb 10 - 03:47 PM
beardedbruce 04 Feb 10 - 04:09 PM
Amos 04 Feb 10 - 04:41 PM
Sawzaw 04 Feb 10 - 05:23 PM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 10 - 08:48 AM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 10 - 09:44 AM
Amos 05 Feb 10 - 09:53 AM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 10 - 09:56 AM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 10 - 09:59 AM
Amos 05 Feb 10 - 10:05 AM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 10 - 10:11 AM
Amos 05 Feb 10 - 10:17 AM
Sawzaw 05 Feb 10 - 11:14 AM
Amos 05 Feb 10 - 02:18 PM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 10 - 02:54 PM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 10 - 02:58 PM
Amos 05 Feb 10 - 03:41 PM
Bobert 05 Feb 10 - 04:20 PM
beardedbruce 05 Feb 10 - 04:21 PM
Amos 05 Feb 10 - 04:48 PM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 10 - 11:25 AM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 10 - 11:43 AM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 10 - 01:58 PM
Amos 06 Feb 10 - 02:10 PM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 10 - 05:08 PM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 10 - 05:41 PM
Amos 06 Feb 10 - 06:06 PM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 10 - 06:37 PM
Amos 06 Feb 10 - 06:43 PM
Amos 06 Feb 10 - 09:05 PM
Sawzaw 06 Feb 10 - 11:59 PM
Sawzaw 07 Feb 10 - 09:08 AM
Amos 07 Feb 10 - 11:12 PM
beardedbruce 08 Feb 10 - 01:27 PM
Sawzaw 08 Feb 10 - 02:23 PM
Sawzaw 08 Feb 10 - 02:46 PM
DougR 08 Feb 10 - 02:53 PM
Amos 08 Feb 10 - 02:55 PM
beardedbruce 08 Feb 10 - 03:58 PM
Amos 08 Feb 10 - 04:55 PM
Sawzaw 08 Feb 10 - 11:15 PM
Sawzaw 08 Feb 10 - 11:55 PM
Amos 09 Feb 10 - 12:31 AM
Amos 09 Feb 10 - 09:45 AM
beardedbruce 09 Feb 10 - 10:19 AM
Sawzaw 10 Feb 10 - 05:19 PM
Amos 10 Feb 10 - 06:12 PM
Sawzaw 11 Feb 10 - 12:09 AM
mousethief 11 Feb 10 - 12:13 AM
beardedbruce 11 Feb 10 - 03:24 PM
beardedbruce 11 Feb 10 - 03:45 PM
Amos 11 Feb 10 - 04:05 PM
Sawzaw 11 Feb 10 - 06:12 PM
Amos 11 Feb 10 - 06:16 PM
mousethief 11 Feb 10 - 10:10 PM
Sawzaw 11 Feb 10 - 11:58 PM
mousethief 12 Feb 10 - 12:49 AM
Bobert 12 Feb 10 - 07:46 AM
Sawzaw 12 Feb 10 - 02:04 PM
Sawzaw 13 Feb 10 - 10:55 PM
Sawzaw 14 Feb 10 - 08:03 PM
Sawzaw 15 Feb 10 - 04:41 PM
Sawzaw 16 Feb 10 - 01:14 AM
beardedbruce 16 Feb 10 - 09:12 AM
beardedbruce 16 Feb 10 - 12:36 PM
beardedbruce 16 Feb 10 - 04:31 PM
beardedbruce 16 Feb 10 - 04:32 PM
Amos 16 Feb 10 - 07:39 PM
Bobert 16 Feb 10 - 07:53 PM
beardedbruce 17 Feb 10 - 06:20 AM
beardedbruce 17 Feb 10 - 06:27 AM
beardedbruce 17 Feb 10 - 06:29 AM
beardedbruce 17 Feb 10 - 06:55 AM
beardedbruce 17 Feb 10 - 07:08 AM
beardedbruce 17 Feb 10 - 08:42 AM
Amos 17 Feb 10 - 11:42 AM
Amos 17 Feb 10 - 11:45 AM
Amos 17 Feb 10 - 08:53 PM
Amos 17 Feb 10 - 08:57 PM
Amos 17 Feb 10 - 09:02 PM
Amos 17 Feb 10 - 09:04 PM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 10 - 12:09 AM
beardedbruce 18 Feb 10 - 08:16 AM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 10 - 04:00 PM
Amos 18 Feb 10 - 04:03 PM
Amos 18 Feb 10 - 04:17 PM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 10 - 05:26 PM
Bobert 18 Feb 10 - 05:38 PM
Amos 18 Feb 10 - 06:01 PM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 10 - 06:41 PM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 10 - 06:46 PM
Bobert 18 Feb 10 - 06:47 PM
Amos 18 Feb 10 - 07:16 PM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 10 - 09:55 PM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 10 - 10:05 PM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 10 - 10:33 PM
Sawzaw 18 Feb 10 - 10:44 PM
beardedbruce 19 Feb 10 - 08:26 AM
beardedbruce 19 Feb 10 - 08:58 AM
Riginslinger 19 Feb 10 - 10:21 AM
Little Hawk 19 Feb 10 - 11:52 AM
beardedbruce 19 Feb 10 - 12:17 PM
Little Hawk 19 Feb 10 - 01:28 PM
Riginslinger 19 Feb 10 - 01:38 PM
Amos 19 Feb 10 - 01:54 PM
Sawzaw 19 Feb 10 - 02:46 PM
Amos 19 Feb 10 - 03:26 PM
Sawzaw 19 Feb 10 - 03:53 PM
Little Hawk 19 Feb 10 - 04:10 PM
GUEST,GUEST-Art Thieme at the library 19 Feb 10 - 04:29 PM
Little Hawk 19 Feb 10 - 04:40 PM
Amos 19 Feb 10 - 05:57 PM
Sawzaw 19 Feb 10 - 11:46 PM
Little Hawk 20 Feb 10 - 10:25 AM
Amos 20 Feb 10 - 11:45 AM
Amos 20 Feb 10 - 11:57 AM
Sawzaw 20 Feb 10 - 12:08 PM
mousethief 20 Feb 10 - 01:10 PM
Little Hawk 20 Feb 10 - 01:22 PM
Amos 20 Feb 10 - 01:23 PM
Amos 20 Feb 10 - 01:26 PM
Little Hawk 20 Feb 10 - 02:07 PM
beardedbruce 21 Feb 10 - 07:45 AM
beardedbruce 21 Feb 10 - 07:56 AM
beardedbruce 21 Feb 10 - 09:39 AM
Bobert 21 Feb 10 - 09:50 AM
Ebbie 21 Feb 10 - 10:57 AM
Sawzaw 21 Feb 10 - 12:56 PM
Bobert 21 Feb 10 - 01:06 PM
Little Hawk 21 Feb 10 - 01:18 PM
Bobert 21 Feb 10 - 01:21 PM
Sawzaw 21 Feb 10 - 01:43 PM
Little Hawk 21 Feb 10 - 03:24 PM
Ebbie 21 Feb 10 - 06:48 PM
Alice 21 Feb 10 - 07:06 PM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 12:00 AM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 12:08 AM
Sawzaw 22 Feb 10 - 12:26 AM
beardedbruce 22 Feb 10 - 07:50 AM
Bobert 22 Feb 10 - 08:28 AM
beardedbruce 22 Feb 10 - 10:09 AM
Sawzaw 22 Feb 10 - 10:30 AM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 11:34 AM
Bobert 22 Feb 10 - 11:39 AM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 11:49 AM
beardedbruce 22 Feb 10 - 11:55 AM
beardedbruce 22 Feb 10 - 12:05 PM
beardedbruce 22 Feb 10 - 12:06 PM
Bobert 22 Feb 10 - 12:15 PM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 12:30 PM
beardedbruce 22 Feb 10 - 12:44 PM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 12:58 PM
beardedbruce 22 Feb 10 - 01:32 PM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 01:55 PM
beardedbruce 22 Feb 10 - 02:37 PM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 03:24 PM
Bobert 22 Feb 10 - 03:43 PM
Little Hawk 22 Feb 10 - 03:57 PM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 04:20 PM
Little Hawk 22 Feb 10 - 05:05 PM
Little Hawk 22 Feb 10 - 05:06 PM
beardedbruce 22 Feb 10 - 05:35 PM
Bobert 22 Feb 10 - 05:49 PM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 06:21 PM
Bobert 22 Feb 10 - 06:29 PM
Amos 22 Feb 10 - 07:17 PM
Bobert 22 Feb 10 - 08:34 PM
Sawzaw 23 Feb 10 - 01:52 AM
beardedbruce 23 Feb 10 - 06:49 AM
Bobert 23 Feb 10 - 07:51 AM
beardedbruce 23 Feb 10 - 08:24 AM
Bobert 23 Feb 10 - 08:42 AM
Amos 23 Feb 10 - 10:30 AM
Ebbie 23 Feb 10 - 10:55 AM
Sawzaw 23 Feb 10 - 02:38 PM
Amos 23 Feb 10 - 03:33 PM
Bobert 23 Feb 10 - 03:44 PM
Little Hawk 23 Feb 10 - 05:28 PM
Bobert 23 Feb 10 - 05:41 PM
Little Hawk 23 Feb 10 - 05:51 PM
Bobert 23 Feb 10 - 06:40 PM
Sawzaw 23 Feb 10 - 09:19 PM
Bobert 23 Feb 10 - 10:43 PM
Bobert 23 Feb 10 - 11:02 PM
Amos 23 Feb 10 - 11:16 PM
Bobert 24 Feb 10 - 07:30 AM
Little Hawk 24 Feb 10 - 11:19 AM
Amos 24 Feb 10 - 12:07 PM
Sawzaw 24 Feb 10 - 11:55 PM
Amos 25 Feb 10 - 01:25 AM
Sawzaw 25 Feb 10 - 10:29 AM
Amos 25 Feb 10 - 10:50 AM
Sawzaw 25 Feb 10 - 11:23 AM
Amos 25 Feb 10 - 11:44 AM
Sawzaw 25 Feb 10 - 11:58 AM
Little Hawk 25 Feb 10 - 12:00 PM
Amos 25 Feb 10 - 12:10 PM
Sawzaw 25 Feb 10 - 12:13 PM
Amos 25 Feb 10 - 12:45 PM
Little Hawk 25 Feb 10 - 01:04 PM
Amos 25 Feb 10 - 01:35 PM
Sawzaw 25 Feb 10 - 01:35 PM
Amos 25 Feb 10 - 01:40 PM
Sawzaw 25 Feb 10 - 02:34 PM
Amos 25 Feb 10 - 03:03 PM
Little Hawk 25 Feb 10 - 04:49 PM
Bobert 25 Feb 10 - 05:21 PM
Sawzaw 25 Feb 10 - 10:20 PM
Sawzaw 25 Feb 10 - 10:29 PM
Amos 25 Feb 10 - 11:43 PM
Sawzaw 26 Feb 10 - 12:45 AM
beardedbruce 26 Feb 10 - 04:23 AM
Bobert 26 Feb 10 - 09:03 AM
Little Hawk 26 Feb 10 - 10:10 AM
Amos 26 Feb 10 - 11:20 AM
Sawzaw 26 Feb 10 - 01:00 PM
Amos 26 Feb 10 - 01:10 PM
Sawzaw 26 Feb 10 - 01:58 PM
Sawzaw 26 Feb 10 - 02:26 PM
Sawzaw 26 Feb 10 - 02:41 PM
Amos 26 Feb 10 - 02:46 PM
Little Hawk 26 Feb 10 - 03:34 PM
Sawzaw 26 Feb 10 - 04:02 PM
Bobert 26 Feb 10 - 06:26 PM
Amos 26 Feb 10 - 07:16 PM
Bobert 26 Feb 10 - 07:37 PM
Little Hawk 26 Feb 10 - 10:27 PM
Sawzaw 27 Feb 10 - 12:15 AM
Amos 27 Feb 10 - 02:16 AM
Bobert 27 Feb 10 - 08:02 AM
Sawzaw 27 Feb 10 - 12:37 PM
Bobert 27 Feb 10 - 12:53 PM
Amos 27 Feb 10 - 01:50 PM
Sawzaw 27 Feb 10 - 03:14 PM
Bobert 27 Feb 10 - 03:39 PM
Little Hawk 27 Feb 10 - 06:49 PM
Bobert 27 Feb 10 - 07:23 PM
Little Hawk 27 Feb 10 - 09:12 PM
Amos 28 Feb 10 - 12:36 AM
Bobert 28 Feb 10 - 08:42 AM
Little Hawk 28 Feb 10 - 10:28 AM
Bobert 28 Feb 10 - 10:41 AM
Sawzaw 28 Feb 10 - 12:36 PM
Amos 28 Feb 10 - 01:19 PM
Bobert 28 Feb 10 - 05:28 PM
Sawzaw 28 Feb 10 - 09:30 PM
Little Hawk 01 Mar 10 - 12:17 AM
Amos 01 Mar 10 - 12:34 AM
Sawzaw 01 Mar 10 - 01:14 PM
Amos 01 Mar 10 - 01:18 PM
beardedbruce 01 Mar 10 - 01:41 PM
Little Hawk 01 Mar 10 - 01:41 PM
Little Hawk 01 Mar 10 - 01:50 PM
Sawzaw 01 Mar 10 - 02:41 PM
Amos 01 Mar 10 - 03:26 PM
Sawzaw 02 Mar 10 - 01:48 PM
Amos 02 Mar 10 - 02:40 PM
Little Hawk 02 Mar 10 - 03:28 PM
Bobert 02 Mar 10 - 04:36 PM
Little Hawk 03 Mar 10 - 11:00 AM
Sawzaw 03 Mar 10 - 03:49 PM
Little Hawk 03 Mar 10 - 04:18 PM
Amos 03 Mar 10 - 04:22 PM
Little Hawk 03 Mar 10 - 04:28 PM
Bobert 03 Mar 10 - 05:35 PM
Little Hawk 03 Mar 10 - 05:53 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 04 Mar 10 - 06:02 AM
Bobert 04 Mar 10 - 08:00 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 04 Mar 10 - 08:29 AM
Amos 04 Mar 10 - 09:31 AM
Little Hawk 04 Mar 10 - 10:03 AM
Sawzaw 04 Mar 10 - 11:51 AM
Sawzaw 04 Mar 10 - 12:02 PM
Amos 04 Mar 10 - 12:05 PM
Little Hawk 04 Mar 10 - 01:11 PM
Amos 04 Mar 10 - 02:01 PM
Little Hawk 04 Mar 10 - 03:40 PM
Amos 04 Mar 10 - 04:03 PM
Little Hawk 04 Mar 10 - 04:37 PM
Bobert 04 Mar 10 - 06:13 PM
Little Hawk 04 Mar 10 - 06:21 PM
Amos 04 Mar 10 - 07:17 PM
Amos 05 Mar 10 - 01:54 PM
beardedbruce 05 Mar 10 - 03:42 PM
Little Hawk 05 Mar 10 - 04:28 PM
Amos 05 Mar 10 - 05:16 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 10 - 06:56 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 10 - 07:00 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 10 - 07:09 PM
Little Hawk 05 Mar 10 - 07:14 PM
Bobert 05 Mar 10 - 07:26 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 10 - 07:34 PM
Little Hawk 05 Mar 10 - 07:44 PM
Bobert 05 Mar 10 - 07:53 PM
Sawzaw 07 Mar 10 - 02:20 AM
Bobert 07 Mar 10 - 08:09 AM
Bobert 07 Mar 10 - 08:13 AM
Amos 07 Mar 10 - 12:28 PM
Bobert 07 Mar 10 - 08:07 PM
Sawzaw 10 Mar 10 - 03:36 PM
Bobert 10 Mar 10 - 06:39 PM
Sawzaw 10 Mar 10 - 10:18 PM
Sawzaw 10 Mar 10 - 11:08 PM
mousethief 10 Mar 10 - 11:57 PM
Amos 11 Mar 10 - 12:05 AM
Sawzaw 11 Mar 10 - 11:40 AM
Little Hawk 11 Mar 10 - 12:06 PM
Sawzaw 11 Mar 10 - 12:07 PM
Little Hawk 11 Mar 10 - 12:07 PM
Little Hawk 11 Mar 10 - 12:08 PM
Sawzaw 11 Mar 10 - 03:27 PM
Amos 11 Mar 10 - 06:53 PM
Amos 12 Mar 10 - 10:45 AM
Amos 12 Mar 10 - 10:56 AM
Bobert 13 Mar 10 - 06:11 AM
Amos 14 Mar 10 - 08:56 PM
Amos 14 Mar 10 - 09:02 PM
Sawzaw 16 Mar 10 - 11:32 PM
Bobert 17 Mar 10 - 09:05 AM
Amos 17 Mar 10 - 11:37 AM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 10 - 11:54 AM
Amos 17 Mar 10 - 12:01 PM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 10 - 12:23 PM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 10 - 12:27 PM
Amos 17 Mar 10 - 12:38 PM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 10 - 01:01 PM
Amos 17 Mar 10 - 01:05 PM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 10 - 01:12 PM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 10 - 01:14 PM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 10 - 01:15 PM
Amos 17 Mar 10 - 03:23 PM
beardedbruce 17 Mar 10 - 03:29 PM
Little Hawk 17 Mar 10 - 03:40 PM
Sawzaw 17 Mar 10 - 04:24 PM
Amos 17 Mar 10 - 04:39 PM
Sawzaw 17 Mar 10 - 04:56 PM
Little Hawk 17 Mar 10 - 07:30 PM
Amos 17 Mar 10 - 07:54 PM
Little Hawk 17 Mar 10 - 08:12 PM
beardedbruce 18 Mar 10 - 01:57 PM
Little Hawk 18 Mar 10 - 02:19 PM
Amos 18 Mar 10 - 03:55 PM
beardedbruce 18 Mar 10 - 05:10 PM
Little Hawk 18 Mar 10 - 05:41 PM
Little Hawk 18 Mar 10 - 08:09 PM
Amos 18 Mar 10 - 08:23 PM
GUEST,I'll try again... 18 Mar 10 - 09:08 PM
beardedbruce 19 Mar 10 - 09:23 PM
GUEST,Bobert on the road... 20 Mar 10 - 07:05 PM
Amos 20 Mar 10 - 08:01 PM
Little Hawk 20 Mar 10 - 08:26 PM
Amos 20 Mar 10 - 09:06 PM
Little Hawk 20 Mar 10 - 09:16 PM
Amos 21 Mar 10 - 01:19 AM
GUEST 21 Mar 10 - 06:24 AM
Amos 21 Mar 10 - 11:40 AM
Amos 21 Mar 10 - 11:53 AM
Little Hawk 21 Mar 10 - 12:29 PM
Bobert 21 Mar 10 - 07:08 PM
Little Hawk 21 Mar 10 - 08:16 PM
Leadfingers 21 Mar 10 - 09:51 PM
Amos 21 Mar 10 - 10:56 PM
Amos 21 Mar 10 - 10:59 PM
Amos 22 Mar 10 - 09:49 AM
Little Hawk 22 Mar 10 - 12:04 PM
Amos 22 Mar 10 - 03:37 PM
Little Hawk 22 Mar 10 - 03:40 PM
Amos 22 Mar 10 - 07:13 PM
Sawzaw 22 Mar 10 - 10:36 PM
Little Hawk 22 Mar 10 - 10:48 PM
Sawzaw 22 Mar 10 - 11:12 PM
Amos 22 Mar 10 - 11:16 PM
Amos 22 Mar 10 - 11:20 PM
Sawzaw 23 Mar 10 - 01:09 AM
Amos 23 Mar 10 - 10:12 AM
Little Hawk 23 Mar 10 - 11:35 AM
Amos 23 Mar 10 - 11:46 AM
Amos 23 Mar 10 - 12:00 PM
Amos 23 Mar 10 - 12:13 PM
beardedbruce 23 Mar 10 - 12:32 PM
Little Hawk 23 Mar 10 - 12:53 PM
Amos 23 Mar 10 - 01:13 PM
beardedbruce 23 Mar 10 - 02:57 PM
Amos 23 Mar 10 - 03:01 PM
beardedbruce 23 Mar 10 - 03:09 PM
Amos 23 Mar 10 - 04:23 PM
curmudgeon 23 Mar 10 - 04:42 PM
Little Hawk 23 Mar 10 - 05:58 PM
beardedbruce 23 Mar 10 - 06:04 PM
Amos 23 Mar 10 - 06:40 PM
Bobert 23 Mar 10 - 07:40 PM
Little Hawk 24 Mar 10 - 02:23 AM
Amos 24 Mar 10 - 10:38 AM
Little Hawk 24 Mar 10 - 11:56 AM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 10 - 01:23 PM
Amos 24 Mar 10 - 02:52 PM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 10 - 03:41 PM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 10 - 03:43 PM
Little Hawk 24 Mar 10 - 04:30 PM
Amos 24 Mar 10 - 05:37 PM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 10 - 06:35 PM
Amos 24 Mar 10 - 07:09 PM
Amos 24 Mar 10 - 07:18 PM
Bobert 24 Mar 10 - 07:45 PM
Amos 24 Mar 10 - 09:37 PM
Sawzaw 25 Mar 10 - 10:47 AM
Sawzaw 25 Mar 10 - 11:01 AM
Sawzaw 25 Mar 10 - 11:46 AM
Little Hawk 25 Mar 10 - 12:08 PM
Sawzaw 25 Mar 10 - 12:15 PM
Amos 25 Mar 10 - 12:44 PM
Little Hawk 25 Mar 10 - 12:48 PM
Amos 25 Mar 10 - 12:54 PM
Sawzaw 25 Mar 10 - 09:56 PM
Sawzaw 25 Mar 10 - 10:12 PM
Amos 29 Mar 10 - 11:58 AM
Sawzaw 29 Mar 10 - 03:08 PM
Amos 29 Mar 10 - 04:10 PM
beardedbruce 29 Mar 10 - 04:14 PM
Amos 29 Mar 10 - 10:16 PM
Little Hawk 29 Mar 10 - 11:53 PM
Amos 30 Mar 10 - 01:01 AM
Sawzaw 30 Mar 10 - 07:48 PM
Bobert 30 Mar 10 - 07:59 PM
Amos 30 Mar 10 - 08:32 PM
Sawzaw 31 Mar 10 - 12:57 AM
beardedbruce 01 Apr 10 - 11:14 AM
Little Hawk 01 Apr 10 - 08:38 PM
Bobert 01 Apr 10 - 08:51 PM
Sawzaw 02 Apr 10 - 10:02 AM
Little Hawk 02 Apr 10 - 10:50 AM
Amos 04 Apr 10 - 10:43 AM
Sawzaw 10 Apr 10 - 12:27 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 10 Apr 10 - 11:20 AM
Little Hawk 10 Apr 10 - 02:23 PM
GUEST,Amos 10 Apr 10 - 05:58 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 10 Apr 10 - 07:37 PM
Bobert 10 Apr 10 - 08:06 PM
Little Hawk 10 Apr 10 - 10:53 PM
Sawzaw 11 Apr 10 - 12:37 AM
Sawzaw 11 Apr 10 - 10:29 AM
Little Hawk 11 Apr 10 - 01:37 PM
Bobert 11 Apr 10 - 09:07 PM
Little Hawk 11 Apr 10 - 11:15 PM
The Fooles Troupe 11 Apr 10 - 11:26 PM
Little Hawk 12 Apr 10 - 01:04 AM
Sawzaw 12 Apr 10 - 01:11 AM
Sawzaw 12 Apr 10 - 01:26 AM
Little Hawk 12 Apr 10 - 02:22 AM
Amos 12 Apr 10 - 11:18 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 12 Apr 10 - 11:33 AM
Bobert 12 Apr 10 - 08:11 PM
Little Hawk 12 Apr 10 - 09:01 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 13 Apr 10 - 06:22 AM
Sawzaw 13 Apr 10 - 04:12 PM
Sawzaw 13 Apr 10 - 04:49 PM
Little Hawk 13 Apr 10 - 05:14 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 13 Apr 10 - 06:06 PM
Bobert 13 Apr 10 - 06:36 PM
Sawzaw 15 Apr 10 - 02:11 AM
Sawzaw 15 Apr 10 - 02:17 AM
Sawzaw 20 Apr 10 - 10:07 PM
Bobert 20 Apr 10 - 10:51 PM
Sawzaw 21 Apr 10 - 02:04 AM
Bobert 21 Apr 10 - 08:16 AM
Amos 21 Apr 10 - 11:45 AM
beardedbruce 21 Apr 10 - 12:35 PM
Sawzaw 21 Apr 10 - 01:12 PM
mousethief 21 Apr 10 - 01:19 PM
Amos 21 Apr 10 - 01:35 PM
beardedbruce 21 Apr 10 - 02:08 PM
Amos 21 Apr 10 - 06:19 PM
beardedbruce 21 Apr 10 - 06:25 PM
Sawzaw 22 Apr 10 - 12:34 AM
Amos 22 Apr 10 - 03:54 PM
mousethief 22 Apr 10 - 04:05 PM
Bobert 22 Apr 10 - 07:37 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 23 Apr 10 - 11:13 AM
Sawzaw 23 Apr 10 - 12:10 PM
Sawzaw 23 Apr 10 - 01:20 PM
Bobert 23 Apr 10 - 10:01 PM
Sawzaw 24 Apr 10 - 12:17 PM
mousethief 24 Apr 10 - 12:20 PM
Bobert 24 Apr 10 - 09:27 PM
Amos 24 Apr 10 - 10:04 PM
Greg F. 25 Apr 10 - 10:56 AM
Sawzaw 25 Apr 10 - 12:18 PM
Amos 25 Apr 10 - 01:49 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 25 Apr 10 - 05:02 PM
Bobert 25 Apr 10 - 09:06 PM
Sawzaw 26 Apr 10 - 11:12 PM
Sawzaw 26 Apr 10 - 11:14 PM
Bobert 27 Apr 10 - 08:42 AM
Amos 27 Apr 10 - 03:53 PM
mousethief 28 Apr 10 - 12:09 AM
Amos 01 May 10 - 12:45 PM
Amos 01 May 10 - 01:37 PM
Sawzaw 02 May 10 - 11:43 PM
Little Hawk 03 May 10 - 11:18 AM
Amos 03 May 10 - 12:48 PM
mousethief 03 May 10 - 05:39 PM
Sawzaw 04 May 10 - 12:52 AM
Sawzaw 04 May 10 - 12:59 AM
Little Hawk 04 May 10 - 09:23 AM
Sawzaw 04 May 10 - 11:14 AM
Amos 07 May 10 - 10:38 AM
mousethief 07 May 10 - 11:56 AM
Little Hawk 07 May 10 - 12:11 PM
Bobert 07 May 10 - 09:00 PM
Sawzaw 10 May 10 - 11:40 PM
Sawzaw 11 May 10 - 12:25 AM
Sawzaw 11 May 10 - 12:54 AM
mousethief 11 May 10 - 07:32 PM
beardedbruce 12 May 10 - 03:27 PM
mousethief 13 May 10 - 12:41 AM
Bobert 13 May 10 - 07:28 AM
Sawzaw 14 May 10 - 12:26 AM
Amos 18 May 10 - 11:31 AM
Bobert 18 May 10 - 12:54 PM
beardedbruce 18 May 10 - 06:49 PM
Bobert 18 May 10 - 07:31 PM
Little Hawk 19 May 10 - 01:09 AM
Bobert 19 May 10 - 08:26 AM
mousethief 19 May 10 - 10:30 AM
Amos 19 May 10 - 10:47 AM
mousethief 19 May 10 - 10:58 AM
Little Hawk 19 May 10 - 11:17 AM
Amos 19 May 10 - 12:08 PM
Little Hawk 19 May 10 - 12:42 PM
Amos 19 May 10 - 02:05 PM
Little Hawk 19 May 10 - 02:21 PM
Amos 19 May 10 - 02:46 PM
Little Hawk 19 May 10 - 06:07 PM
Amos 19 May 10 - 07:13 PM
Bobert 19 May 10 - 08:30 PM
Little Hawk 19 May 10 - 10:07 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 10 - 01:02 PM
mousethief 21 May 10 - 01:12 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 10 - 01:23 PM
Amos 21 May 10 - 02:11 PM
Little Hawk 21 May 10 - 02:18 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 10 - 02:32 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 10 - 02:43 PM
Little Hawk 21 May 10 - 02:52 PM
Little Hawk 21 May 10 - 03:04 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 10 - 03:18 PM
mousethief 21 May 10 - 03:19 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 10 - 03:24 PM
Amos 21 May 10 - 04:15 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 10 - 04:18 PM
Amos 21 May 10 - 07:07 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 10 - 07:17 PM
mousethief 21 May 10 - 08:27 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 10 - 08:30 PM
mousethief 21 May 10 - 11:06 PM
Amos 21 May 10 - 11:47 PM
Amos 23 May 10 - 12:08 PM
Bobert 23 May 10 - 12:49 PM
Little Hawk 23 May 10 - 12:59 PM
mousethief 23 May 10 - 09:14 PM
Little Hawk 23 May 10 - 09:45 PM
Amos 23 May 10 - 10:07 PM
Riginslinger 23 May 10 - 10:15 PM
Bobert 23 May 10 - 10:20 PM
Little Hawk 23 May 10 - 11:01 PM
mousethief 23 May 10 - 11:34 PM
Bobert 24 May 10 - 07:13 AM
Little Hawk 24 May 10 - 09:33 AM
beardedbruce 24 May 10 - 10:26 AM
beardedbruce 24 May 10 - 10:38 AM
beardedbruce 24 May 10 - 10:40 AM
Amos 24 May 10 - 10:45 AM
beardedbruce 24 May 10 - 10:47 AM
Little Hawk 24 May 10 - 11:25 AM
beardedbruce 25 May 10 - 02:32 PM
beardedbruce 25 May 10 - 02:33 PM
Little Hawk 25 May 10 - 02:56 PM
Amos 25 May 10 - 04:03 PM
beardedbruce 25 May 10 - 04:23 PM
mousethief 25 May 10 - 05:09 PM
Amos 25 May 10 - 06:20 PM
beardedbruce 25 May 10 - 06:33 PM
beardedbruce 25 May 10 - 06:48 PM
Amos 25 May 10 - 06:52 PM
Amos 25 May 10 - 06:58 PM
beardedbruce 25 May 10 - 07:06 PM
Bobert 25 May 10 - 07:37 PM
beardedbruce 25 May 10 - 07:40 PM
mousethief 25 May 10 - 09:06 PM
beardedbruce 25 May 10 - 09:33 PM
Amos 25 May 10 - 10:14 PM
mousethief 25 May 10 - 10:46 PM
beardedbruce 26 May 10 - 11:14 AM
beardedbruce 26 May 10 - 11:14 AM
Amos 26 May 10 - 11:36 AM
Greg F. 26 May 10 - 11:39 AM
beardedbruce 26 May 10 - 11:46 AM
mousethief 26 May 10 - 12:42 PM
beardedbruce 26 May 10 - 02:38 PM
Amos 26 May 10 - 02:40 PM
beardedbruce 26 May 10 - 03:13 PM
mousethief 26 May 10 - 04:36 PM
Bobert 26 May 10 - 05:47 PM
Little Hawk 26 May 10 - 10:47 PM
Amos 26 May 10 - 11:25 PM
beardedbruce 27 May 10 - 05:26 PM
beardedbruce 27 May 10 - 05:27 PM
Bobert 27 May 10 - 06:43 PM
Amos 27 May 10 - 06:44 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 27 May 10 - 07:14 PM
beardedbruce 27 May 10 - 07:55 PM
beardedbruce 27 May 10 - 07:58 PM
Little Hawk 27 May 10 - 08:40 PM
Bobert 27 May 10 - 08:46 PM
mousethief 27 May 10 - 09:21 PM
Bobert 27 May 10 - 09:49 PM
Amos 27 May 10 - 10:45 PM
Little Hawk 27 May 10 - 11:03 PM
Sawzaw 28 May 10 - 01:46 PM
Sawzaw 28 May 10 - 03:59 PM
Amos 28 May 10 - 04:12 PM
beardedbruce 28 May 10 - 04:20 PM
beardedbruce 28 May 10 - 04:48 PM
beardedbruce 28 May 10 - 04:52 PM
Little Hawk 28 May 10 - 06:58 PM
Bobert 28 May 10 - 07:23 PM
mousethief 28 May 10 - 07:39 PM
Sawzaw 29 May 10 - 11:50 AM
Sawzaw 29 May 10 - 12:00 PM
DougR 29 May 10 - 12:45 PM
Stringsinger 29 May 10 - 04:58 PM
Sawzaw 29 May 10 - 06:00 PM
Greg F. 29 May 10 - 06:07 PM
Greg F. 29 May 10 - 06:09 PM
DougR 29 May 10 - 06:39 PM
Bobert 29 May 10 - 07:45 PM
Greg F. 29 May 10 - 09:40 PM
mousethief 29 May 10 - 11:20 PM
Amos 29 May 10 - 11:23 PM
DougR 30 May 10 - 01:47 AM
mousethief 30 May 10 - 01:55 AM
Amos 30 May 10 - 09:27 AM
Greg F. 30 May 10 - 10:46 AM
Greg F. 30 May 10 - 10:47 AM
Amos 30 May 10 - 11:07 AM
DougR 30 May 10 - 12:41 PM
Greg F. 30 May 10 - 12:54 PM
mousethief 30 May 10 - 03:11 PM
Greg F. 30 May 10 - 06:27 PM
Amos 31 May 10 - 11:12 AM
beardedbruce 01 Jun 10 - 01:55 PM
Greg F. 02 Jun 10 - 08:44 AM
mousethief 02 Jun 10 - 01:10 PM
beardedbruce 02 Jun 10 - 01:31 PM
Greg F. 02 Jun 10 - 01:40 PM
Little Hawk 02 Jun 10 - 01:42 PM
beardedbruce 02 Jun 10 - 03:10 PM
Little Hawk 02 Jun 10 - 03:48 PM
Greg F. 02 Jun 10 - 06:41 PM
mousethief 02 Jun 10 - 07:25 PM
Little Hawk 02 Jun 10 - 07:26 PM
beardedbruce 03 Jun 10 - 01:22 PM
beardedbruce 04 Jun 10 - 01:18 PM
Little Hawk 04 Jun 10 - 01:23 PM
Greg F. 04 Jun 10 - 01:24 PM
beardedbruce 04 Jun 10 - 01:29 PM
Little Hawk 04 Jun 10 - 03:05 PM
mousethief 04 Jun 10 - 03:48 PM
Sawzaw 04 Jun 10 - 09:06 PM
Sawzaw 04 Jun 10 - 09:19 PM
Greg F. 04 Jun 10 - 09:22 PM
Bobert 04 Jun 10 - 09:46 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Jun 10 - 12:48 AM
mousethief 05 Jun 10 - 01:54 AM
Bobert 05 Jun 10 - 08:21 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Jun 10 - 12:36 PM
Little Hawk 05 Jun 10 - 01:08 PM
beardedbruce 05 Jun 10 - 04:07 PM
Little Hawk 05 Jun 10 - 04:39 PM
Bobert 05 Jun 10 - 07:41 PM
Little Hawk 05 Jun 10 - 08:02 PM
Bobert 05 Jun 10 - 08:33 PM
Sawzaw 05 Jun 10 - 09:33 PM
mousethief 05 Jun 10 - 09:44 PM
Bobert 05 Jun 10 - 10:22 PM
mousethief 05 Jun 10 - 10:37 PM
Sawzaw 05 Jun 10 - 10:38 PM
Little Hawk 05 Jun 10 - 10:59 PM
Sawzaw 05 Jun 10 - 11:00 PM
Little Hawk 05 Jun 10 - 11:10 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Jun 10 - 01:43 AM
Little Hawk 06 Jun 10 - 02:33 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Jun 10 - 03:36 AM
Bobert 06 Jun 10 - 09:31 AM
Amos 06 Jun 10 - 10:57 AM
Greg F. 06 Jun 10 - 04:22 PM
Little Hawk 06 Jun 10 - 05:08 PM
Sawzaw 06 Jun 10 - 05:53 PM
Sawzaw 06 Jun 10 - 06:05 PM
Sawzaw 06 Jun 10 - 06:44 PM
Little Hawk 06 Jun 10 - 06:59 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Jun 10 - 07:17 PM
Bobert 06 Jun 10 - 10:13 PM
Bobert 06 Jun 10 - 10:16 PM
Sawzaw 06 Jun 10 - 10:40 PM
mousethief 06 Jun 10 - 10:42 PM
Sawzaw 06 Jun 10 - 11:09 PM
Little Hawk 06 Jun 10 - 11:12 PM
Bobert 06 Jun 10 - 11:28 PM
Little Hawk 06 Jun 10 - 11:46 PM
Sawzaw 06 Jun 10 - 11:55 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 07 Jun 10 - 12:35 AM
Sawzaw 07 Jun 10 - 01:32 AM
mousethief 07 Jun 10 - 01:42 AM
Bobert 07 Jun 10 - 08:27 AM
Amos 07 Jun 10 - 08:35 AM
Greg F. 07 Jun 10 - 08:37 AM
Bobert 07 Jun 10 - 01:03 PM
mousethief 07 Jun 10 - 01:12 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 07 Jun 10 - 09:20 PM
Bobert 07 Jun 10 - 09:26 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Jun 10 - 11:02 AM
Sawzaw 08 Jun 10 - 11:36 AM
Bobert 08 Jun 10 - 12:47 PM
Amos 08 Jun 10 - 01:16 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jun 10 - 01:39 PM
beardedbruce 09 Jun 10 - 03:05 PM
beardedbruce 09 Jun 10 - 03:07 PM
beardedbruce 09 Jun 10 - 03:38 PM
mousethief 09 Jun 10 - 07:11 PM
Little Hawk 09 Jun 10 - 07:47 PM
Bobert 09 Jun 10 - 08:19 PM
Bobert 09 Jun 10 - 09:22 PM
beardedbruce 14 Jun 10 - 10:13 AM
Greg F. 14 Jun 10 - 10:45 AM
Bobert 14 Jun 10 - 12:53 PM
Little Hawk 14 Jun 10 - 01:42 PM
mousethief 14 Jun 10 - 01:57 PM
Bobert 14 Jun 10 - 05:36 PM
Greg F. 14 Jun 10 - 10:36 PM
Bobert 15 Jun 10 - 08:14 AM
beardedbruce 16 Jun 10 - 07:28 AM
beardedbruce 16 Jun 10 - 07:30 AM
beardedbruce 16 Jun 10 - 08:04 AM
Bobert 16 Jun 10 - 08:06 AM
Greg F. 16 Jun 10 - 09:16 AM
Greg F. 16 Jun 10 - 09:23 AM
beardedbruce 16 Jun 10 - 09:27 AM
Little Hawk 16 Jun 10 - 01:51 PM
Greg F. 16 Jun 10 - 02:14 PM
Amos 16 Jun 10 - 02:41 PM
mousethief 16 Jun 10 - 04:33 PM
Amos 17 Jun 10 - 01:46 PM
DougR 17 Jun 10 - 01:48 PM
Greg F. 17 Jun 10 - 02:15 PM
Bobert 17 Jun 10 - 02:26 PM
Little Hawk 17 Jun 10 - 05:48 PM
Bobert 17 Jun 10 - 06:28 PM
Little Hawk 17 Jun 10 - 06:59 PM
Bobert 18 Jun 10 - 07:26 AM
Greg F. 18 Jun 10 - 09:27 AM
Bobert 20 Jun 10 - 08:39 PM
mousethief 20 Jun 10 - 09:33 PM
Bobert 20 Jun 10 - 10:43 PM
mousethief 20 Jun 10 - 11:52 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jun 10 - 12:02 PM
Greg F. 21 Jun 10 - 12:20 PM
Greg F. 21 Jun 10 - 12:24 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jun 10 - 12:36 PM
Bobert 21 Jun 10 - 01:55 PM
Greg F. 21 Jun 10 - 02:35 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jun 10 - 03:03 PM
mousethief 21 Jun 10 - 03:47 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jun 10 - 03:58 PM
Amos 21 Jun 10 - 04:02 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jun 10 - 04:07 PM
mousethief 21 Jun 10 - 05:25 PM
Little Hawk 21 Jun 10 - 05:30 PM
mousethief 21 Jun 10 - 05:34 PM
Greg F. 21 Jun 10 - 05:36 PM
Little Hawk 21 Jun 10 - 05:55 PM
Greg F. 21 Jun 10 - 06:05 PM
Bobert 21 Jun 10 - 06:26 PM
Greg F. 21 Jun 10 - 06:38 PM
Little Hawk 21 Jun 10 - 07:19 PM
beardedbruce 22 Jun 10 - 04:49 PM
Greg F. 22 Jun 10 - 07:13 PM
Bobert 22 Jun 10 - 08:14 PM
mousethief 22 Jun 10 - 08:52 PM
Bobert 22 Jun 10 - 09:19 PM
GUEST,mandatory8 23 Jun 10 - 06:50 AM
Bobert 23 Jun 10 - 07:50 AM
Greg F. 23 Jun 10 - 08:50 AM
GUEST,mandatory8 23 Jun 10 - 11:31 AM
GUEST 23 Jun 10 - 12:05 PM
Greg F. 23 Jun 10 - 01:35 PM
mousethief 23 Jun 10 - 02:01 PM
Amos 23 Jun 10 - 03:25 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jun 10 - 04:22 PM
Sawzaw 03 Jul 10 - 08:48 AM
Greg F. 03 Jul 10 - 08:57 AM
mousethief 03 Jul 10 - 12:39 PM
Bobert 03 Jul 10 - 07:22 PM
mousethief 03 Jul 10 - 11:40 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 04 Jul 10 - 08:11 PM
Sawzaw 09 Jul 10 - 01:05 AM
Bobert 09 Jul 10 - 08:43 AM
Don Firth 09 Jul 10 - 09:57 PM
Bobert 10 Jul 10 - 07:58 AM
Don Firth 10 Jul 10 - 01:32 PM
Greg F. 10 Jul 10 - 02:21 PM
Bobert 10 Jul 10 - 02:21 PM
Sawzaw 10 Jul 10 - 03:32 PM
Bobert 10 Jul 10 - 04:21 PM
Sawzaw 13 Jul 10 - 09:59 AM
Amos 16 Jul 10 - 12:33 PM
Amos 16 Jul 10 - 12:40 PM
beardedbruce 16 Jul 10 - 05:41 PM
Amos 16 Jul 10 - 07:27 PM
beardedbruce 16 Jul 10 - 07:29 PM
Bobert 16 Jul 10 - 08:06 PM
Greg F. 16 Jul 10 - 08:15 PM
Amos 16 Jul 10 - 10:57 PM
GUEST,Riginslinger 17 Jul 10 - 10:11 PM
Bobert 17 Jul 10 - 10:25 PM
GUEST,Riginslinger 18 Jul 10 - 08:22 AM
Greg F. 18 Jul 10 - 09:20 AM
Bobert 18 Jul 10 - 09:35 AM
beeliner 18 Jul 10 - 09:45 AM
Bobert 18 Jul 10 - 12:55 PM
GUEST,Riginslinger 18 Jul 10 - 01:07 PM
Don Firth 18 Jul 10 - 04:05 PM
Bobert 18 Jul 10 - 05:22 PM
akenaton 19 Jul 10 - 05:07 AM
Bobert 19 Jul 10 - 08:41 AM
Amos 19 Jul 10 - 09:18 AM
beardedbruce 19 Jul 10 - 11:41 AM
Bobert 19 Jul 10 - 12:14 PM
Greg F. 19 Jul 10 - 12:22 PM
akenaton 19 Jul 10 - 12:26 PM
Bobert 20 Jul 10 - 08:02 AM
akenaton 20 Jul 10 - 03:32 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jul 10 - 09:18 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 21 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM
Amos 21 Jul 10 - 01:25 PM
akenaton 21 Jul 10 - 06:44 PM
Bobert 22 Jul 10 - 08:32 AM
Sawzaw 22 Jul 10 - 05:19 PM
Sawzaw 22 Jul 10 - 05:46 PM
Bobert 22 Jul 10 - 06:09 PM
Sawzaw 25 Jul 10 - 12:08 PM
Bobert 25 Jul 10 - 12:31 PM
Sawzaw 28 Jul 10 - 05:16 PM
Bobert 28 Jul 10 - 09:56 PM
Amos 29 Jul 10 - 03:18 PM
Bobert 29 Jul 10 - 07:33 PM
Sawzaw 31 Jul 10 - 01:04 PM
Jack the Sailor 31 Jul 10 - 01:10 PM
Amos 31 Jul 10 - 01:13 PM
Amos 31 Jul 10 - 01:19 PM
Bobert 31 Jul 10 - 01:36 PM
Amos 31 Jul 10 - 01:49 PM
Amos 31 Jul 10 - 11:19 PM
Bobert 01 Aug 10 - 07:37 AM
Sawzaw 01 Aug 10 - 10:13 AM
Bobert 01 Aug 10 - 11:09 AM
Amos 01 Aug 10 - 12:26 PM
Bobert 01 Aug 10 - 03:10 PM
Sawzaw 01 Aug 10 - 05:06 PM
Bobert 01 Aug 10 - 08:30 PM
Sawzaw 01 Aug 10 - 08:40 PM
Bobert 01 Aug 10 - 08:49 PM
Amos 05 Aug 10 - 07:38 PM
Bobert 05 Aug 10 - 07:49 PM
mousethief 05 Aug 10 - 08:48 PM
Amos 05 Aug 10 - 11:24 PM
Bobert 06 Aug 10 - 07:30 AM
Sawzaw 06 Aug 10 - 12:01 PM
Bobert 06 Aug 10 - 12:08 PM
Sawzaw 06 Aug 10 - 12:19 PM
Bobert 06 Aug 10 - 12:29 PM
Sawzaw 07 Aug 10 - 01:03 PM
Sawzaw 07 Aug 10 - 01:21 PM
Amos 07 Aug 10 - 02:15 PM
Little Hawk 07 Aug 10 - 03:14 PM
Amos 07 Aug 10 - 04:17 PM
Little Hawk 07 Aug 10 - 06:17 PM
Bobert 07 Aug 10 - 07:44 PM
Amos 08 Aug 10 - 06:47 PM
Sawzaw 09 Aug 10 - 12:08 PM
Amos 09 Aug 10 - 01:23 PM
akenaton 09 Aug 10 - 01:58 PM
Amos 09 Aug 10 - 02:55 PM
beardedbruce 09 Aug 10 - 03:12 PM
Amos 09 Aug 10 - 03:20 PM
Bobert 09 Aug 10 - 04:39 PM
Amos 10 Aug 10 - 02:01 PM
Bobert 10 Aug 10 - 09:30 PM
Little Hawk 11 Aug 10 - 01:39 AM
akenaton 11 Aug 10 - 05:02 AM
Bobert 11 Aug 10 - 09:17 AM
beardedbruce 11 Aug 10 - 06:45 PM
Bobert 11 Aug 10 - 07:58 PM
Bobert 23 Aug 10 - 08:34 AM
Little Hawk 23 Aug 10 - 11:10 AM
mousethief 23 Aug 10 - 08:23 PM
Little Hawk 23 Aug 10 - 10:58 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Aug 10 - 11:23 PM
Little Hawk 23 Aug 10 - 11:41 PM
Amos 01 Sep 10 - 08:21 PM
Sawzaw 07 Sep 10 - 01:01 PM
Sawzaw 07 Sep 10 - 01:06 PM
Little Hawk 07 Sep 10 - 02:24 PM
Amos 07 Sep 10 - 03:58 PM
Amos 07 Sep 10 - 04:14 PM
Little Hawk 07 Sep 10 - 04:54 PM
Bobert 07 Sep 10 - 05:45 PM
Amos 07 Sep 10 - 07:12 PM
Bobert 07 Sep 10 - 07:39 PM
Amos 07 Sep 10 - 07:49 PM
Bobert 07 Sep 10 - 08:03 PM
Little Hawk 07 Sep 10 - 11:28 PM
Bobert 08 Sep 10 - 08:33 AM
mousethief 08 Sep 10 - 08:55 AM
Amos 08 Sep 10 - 10:39 AM
mousethief 08 Sep 10 - 11:20 AM
Little Hawk 08 Sep 10 - 01:29 PM
Amos 08 Sep 10 - 01:36 PM
Little Hawk 08 Sep 10 - 01:45 PM
beardedbruce 08 Sep 10 - 01:46 PM
Amos 08 Sep 10 - 02:05 PM
akenaton 08 Sep 10 - 03:30 PM
mousethief 08 Sep 10 - 03:52 PM
akenaton 08 Sep 10 - 04:09 PM
mousethief 08 Sep 10 - 04:25 PM
Amos 08 Sep 10 - 04:25 PM
akenaton 08 Sep 10 - 05:30 PM
Bobert 08 Sep 10 - 08:06 PM
Little Hawk 08 Sep 10 - 08:56 PM
beardedbruce 08 Sep 10 - 09:06 PM
Little Hawk 08 Sep 10 - 09:31 PM
Bobert 09 Sep 10 - 11:51 AM
beardedbruce 09 Sep 10 - 12:08 PM
Amos 09 Sep 10 - 12:26 PM
Little Hawk 09 Sep 10 - 12:30 PM
Amos 09 Sep 10 - 01:01 PM
beardedbruce 09 Sep 10 - 01:01 PM
Little Hawk 09 Sep 10 - 01:13 PM
Amos 09 Sep 10 - 01:15 PM
beardedbruce 09 Sep 10 - 01:20 PM
Little Hawk 09 Sep 10 - 06:07 PM
Bobert 09 Sep 10 - 08:48 PM
mousethief 09 Sep 10 - 09:26 PM
Bobert 09 Sep 10 - 10:03 PM
beardedbruce 10 Sep 10 - 09:20 AM
Amos 10 Sep 10 - 10:21 AM
Bobert 10 Sep 10 - 05:42 PM
Sawzaw 13 Sep 10 - 11:05 AM
Amos 13 Sep 10 - 11:09 AM
Sawzaw 15 Sep 10 - 12:24 AM
Bobert 15 Sep 10 - 08:48 AM
Sawzaw 16 Sep 10 - 12:50 AM
Sawzaw 22 Sep 10 - 11:42 AM
Little Hawk 22 Sep 10 - 11:52 AM
Bobert 22 Sep 10 - 02:35 PM
Amos 22 Sep 10 - 02:54 PM
Little Hawk 22 Sep 10 - 03:00 PM
Bobert 22 Sep 10 - 03:50 PM
Amos 22 Sep 10 - 04:10 PM
Amos 22 Sep 10 - 04:19 PM
Bobert 22 Sep 10 - 05:23 PM
Little Hawk 22 Sep 10 - 07:41 PM
Greg F. 22 Sep 10 - 07:45 PM
Bobert 22 Sep 10 - 09:59 PM
Amos 22 Sep 10 - 11:28 PM
Sawzaw 22 Sep 10 - 11:39 PM
Amos 22 Sep 10 - 11:40 PM
Bobert 23 Sep 10 - 08:51 AM
Little Hawk 23 Sep 10 - 10:43 AM
Amos 23 Sep 10 - 12:00 PM
beardedbruce 23 Sep 10 - 12:17 PM
Sawzaw 24 Sep 10 - 10:19 AM
Sawzaw 24 Sep 10 - 11:32 AM
Little Hawk 24 Sep 10 - 11:58 AM
Amos 24 Sep 10 - 12:04 PM
Sawzaw 24 Sep 10 - 12:21 PM
Sawzaw 24 Sep 10 - 12:28 PM
beardedbruce 24 Sep 10 - 05:34 PM
Sawzaw 26 Sep 10 - 12:19 AM
Little Hawk 26 Sep 10 - 06:25 AM
Bobert 26 Sep 10 - 08:38 AM
Little Hawk 26 Sep 10 - 09:56 AM
Little Hawk 26 Sep 10 - 08:07 PM
Bobert 26 Sep 10 - 08:10 PM
Little Hawk 26 Sep 10 - 08:27 PM
Bobert 27 Sep 10 - 09:18 AM
Little Hawk 27 Sep 10 - 09:47 AM
beardedbruce 27 Sep 10 - 10:08 AM
Greg F. 27 Sep 10 - 10:22 AM
beardedbruce 27 Sep 10 - 10:25 AM
Amos 27 Sep 10 - 10:30 AM
Little Hawk 27 Sep 10 - 10:44 AM
beardedbruce 27 Sep 10 - 11:20 AM
Amos 27 Sep 10 - 02:06 PM
Bobert 27 Sep 10 - 05:25 PM
Greg F. 27 Sep 10 - 05:55 PM
Amos 27 Sep 10 - 08:33 PM
Bobert 27 Sep 10 - 09:02 PM
beardedbruce 28 Sep 10 - 12:49 PM
Sawzaw 28 Sep 10 - 02:30 PM
Greg F. 28 Sep 10 - 10:14 PM
Sawzaw 03 Oct 10 - 11:54 AM
Bobert 03 Oct 10 - 08:16 PM
beardedbruce 06 Oct 10 - 04:24 PM
beardedbruce 06 Oct 10 - 04:26 PM
Bobert 06 Oct 10 - 08:22 PM
Greg F. 07 Oct 10 - 09:18 AM
Sawzaw 07 Oct 10 - 09:24 AM
beardedbruce 07 Oct 10 - 12:25 PM
beardedbruce 07 Oct 10 - 01:03 PM
Greg F. 07 Oct 10 - 01:31 PM
beardedbruce 07 Oct 10 - 01:56 PM
Bobert 07 Oct 10 - 07:48 PM
Sawzaw 07 Oct 10 - 10:49 PM
beardedbruce 08 Oct 10 - 04:47 PM
beardedbruce 08 Oct 10 - 05:46 PM
Sawzaw 10 Oct 10 - 04:05 PM
GUEST,Bobert, on the road.. 10 Oct 10 - 08:38 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 10 - 01:03 AM
Bobert 11 Oct 10 - 08:26 AM
Amos 11 Oct 10 - 10:46 AM
beardedbruce 11 Oct 10 - 01:52 PM
beardedbruce 11 Oct 10 - 03:21 PM
beardedbruce 11 Oct 10 - 04:15 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 10 - 11:09 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 10 - 11:46 PM
Sawzaw 17 Oct 10 - 02:43 PM
Bobert 18 Oct 10 - 08:48 AM
Sawzaw 18 Oct 10 - 12:28 PM
Bobert 18 Oct 10 - 12:56 PM
Sawzaw 20 Oct 10 - 03:54 PM
Sawzaw 20 Oct 10 - 04:19 PM
Bobert 20 Oct 10 - 04:30 PM
Sawzaw 22 Oct 10 - 09:47 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Oct 10 - 03:37 AM
Sawzaw 24 Oct 10 - 01:01 AM
Sawzaw 24 Oct 10 - 01:15 AM
Amos 31 Oct 10 - 10:24 PM
Sawzaw 31 Oct 10 - 11:20 PM
beardedbruce 01 Nov 10 - 01:13 PM
beardedbruce 01 Nov 10 - 02:29 PM
Don Firth 01 Nov 10 - 02:52 PM
Amos 01 Nov 10 - 07:27 PM
Amos 01 Nov 10 - 08:35 PM
Amos 01 Nov 10 - 08:48 PM
Sawzaw 01 Nov 10 - 11:20 PM
Little Hawk 01 Nov 10 - 11:25 PM
Amos 01 Nov 10 - 11:46 PM
Amos 02 Nov 10 - 10:41 AM
Sawzaw 02 Nov 10 - 12:09 PM
beardedbruce 02 Nov 10 - 02:54 PM
Little Hawk 02 Nov 10 - 07:19 PM
Sawzaw 03 Nov 10 - 01:36 AM
Greg F. 03 Nov 10 - 09:03 AM
Amos 03 Nov 10 - 10:47 AM
beardedbruce 03 Nov 10 - 11:47 AM
Sawzaw 03 Nov 10 - 11:57 AM
Donuel 03 Nov 10 - 12:17 PM
Amos 03 Nov 10 - 04:00 PM
beardedbruce 03 Nov 10 - 04:09 PM
Greg F. 03 Nov 10 - 05:43 PM
beardedbruce 03 Nov 10 - 06:03 PM
Amos 03 Nov 10 - 06:06 PM
beardedbruce 03 Nov 10 - 07:00 PM
Amos 07 Nov 10 - 08:25 PM
Bobert 07 Nov 10 - 09:15 PM
Amos 22 Nov 10 - 12:30 PM
Bobert 22 Nov 10 - 06:06 PM
Amos 26 Nov 10 - 08:37 PM
Little Hawk 27 Nov 10 - 12:18 AM
Little Hawk 27 Nov 10 - 12:47 AM
Bobert 27 Nov 10 - 10:43 AM
Little Hawk 27 Nov 10 - 12:37 PM
Amos 01 Dec 10 - 11:43 AM
beardedbruce 01 Dec 10 - 05:06 PM
Sawzaw 02 Dec 10 - 12:34 AM
beardedbruce 02 Dec 10 - 02:22 PM
beardedbruce 03 Dec 10 - 03:51 PM
Amos 03 Dec 10 - 04:03 PM
Amos 15 Dec 10 - 11:36 PM
Amos 23 Dec 10 - 10:47 AM
Bobert 23 Dec 10 - 08:05 PM
Amos 28 Dec 10 - 09:22 AM
Little Hawk 28 Dec 10 - 11:49 AM
Amos 28 Dec 10 - 03:50 PM
Bobert 28 Dec 10 - 03:59 PM
Little Hawk 28 Dec 10 - 04:03 PM
Bobert 28 Dec 10 - 04:05 PM
Little Hawk 28 Dec 10 - 04:10 PM
Bobert 28 Dec 10 - 04:51 PM
Amos 09 Jan 11 - 10:39 AM
Amos 14 Jan 11 - 07:19 PM
Sawzaw 18 May 11 - 03:31 PM
Little Hawk 18 May 11 - 04:01 PM
Little Hawk 18 May 11 - 04:02 PM
Amos 18 May 11 - 04:23 PM
Greg F. 18 May 11 - 05:58 PM
Sawzaw 27 May 11 - 08:41 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 May 11 - 04:17 AM
Bobert 28 May 11 - 09:23 AM
Bobert 28 May 11 - 09:50 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 May 11 - 06:01 PM
Bobert 28 May 11 - 07:32 PM
Amos 28 May 11 - 07:45 PM
Sawzaw 06 Jun 11 - 03:18 AM
Sawzaw 08 Jun 11 - 02:44 AM
Sawzaw 10 Jun 11 - 04:51 PM
Sawzaw 06 Jul 11 - 01:50 AM
Little Hawk 06 Jul 11 - 09:29 PM
Bobert 06 Jul 11 - 10:19 PM
Little Hawk 07 Jul 11 - 12:20 AM
Sawzaw 19 Jul 11 - 06:22 PM
Greg F. 19 Jul 11 - 06:33 PM
Jack the Sailor 19 Jul 11 - 07:02 PM
Sawzaw 22 Jul 11 - 05:27 PM
Sawzaw 22 Jul 11 - 05:57 PM
Sawzaw 22 Jul 11 - 09:50 PM
Bobert 22 Jul 11 - 10:04 PM
Sawzaw 23 Jul 11 - 12:03 AM
Little Hawk 23 Jul 11 - 01:22 PM
Sawzaw 28 Jul 11 - 03:55 AM
Sawzaw 23 Sep 11 - 09:49 PM
michaelr 24 Sep 11 - 01:03 AM
Little Hawk 24 Sep 11 - 11:47 PM
GUEST,999 25 Sep 11 - 12:00 AM
Little Hawk 25 Sep 11 - 12:09 AM
Sawzaw 30 Sep 11 - 10:19 AM
Greg F. 30 Sep 11 - 10:39 AM
Little Hawk 01 Oct 11 - 12:53 AM
Sawzaw 06 Oct 11 - 11:58 PM
Greg F. 07 Oct 11 - 11:29 AM
Bobert 07 Oct 11 - 07:21 PM
Sawzaw 09 Oct 11 - 12:19 AM
Sawzaw 09 Oct 11 - 12:32 AM
Greg F. 09 Oct 11 - 09:14 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Oct 11 - 10:24 AM
Sawzaw 10 Oct 11 - 12:24 AM
Greg F. 10 Oct 11 - 09:27 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Oct 11 - 11:36 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Oct 11 - 12:19 PM
Little Hawk 10 Oct 11 - 12:47 PM
Greg F. 10 Oct 11 - 10:22 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 11 - 10:13 AM
Greg F. 11 Oct 11 - 11:27 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 11 Oct 11 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 11 Oct 11 - 12:59 PM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 11 Oct 11 - 03:23 PM
Greg F. 11 Oct 11 - 05:27 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 12 Oct 11 - 02:31 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 12 Oct 11 - 02:55 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 12 Oct 11 - 03:13 AM
Little Hawk 12 Oct 11 - 03:50 AM
Sawzaw 14 Oct 11 - 12:20 AM
Sawzaw 19 Oct 11 - 11:54 PM
GUEST,999 19 Oct 11 - 11:57 PM
Little Hawk 20 Oct 11 - 02:02 AM
Bobert 20 Oct 11 - 09:26 AM
Sawzaw 20 Oct 11 - 01:05 PM
Greg F. 20 Oct 11 - 01:08 PM
Sawzaw 21 Oct 11 - 01:04 PM
Sawzaw 16 May 12 - 08:01 AM
Bobert 16 May 12 - 08:22 AM
Sawzaw 16 May 12 - 09:28 AM
Greg F. 16 May 12 - 09:53 AM
Sawzaw 09 Jun 12 - 12:55 PM
Sawzaw 09 Jun 12 - 04:35 PM
Sawzaw 26 Jun 12 - 09:22 AM
Greg F. 26 Jun 12 - 11:23 AM
Amos 26 Jun 12 - 11:39 AM
Sawzaw 27 Jun 12 - 07:46 AM
Sawzaw 27 Jun 12 - 08:12 AM
Greg F. 27 Jun 12 - 09:11 AM
Amos 27 Jun 12 - 10:22 AM
Bobert 27 Jun 12 - 10:31 AM
Amos 27 Jun 12 - 11:52 AM
Little Hawk 27 Jun 12 - 11:55 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jun 12 - 12:06 PM
Amos 27 Jun 12 - 12:44 PM
Sawzaw 27 Jun 12 - 10:31 PM
Bobert 27 Jun 12 - 10:49 PM
beardedbruce 28 Jun 12 - 08:26 AM
beardedbruce 28 Jun 12 - 08:49 AM
Little Hawk 29 Jun 12 - 02:59 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 12 - 03:24 AM
Bobert 29 Jun 12 - 08:06 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 12 - 10:00 AM
Bobert 29 Jun 12 - 01:34 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Jun 12 - 02:43 AM
Bobert 30 Jun 12 - 01:50 PM
Little Hawk 30 Jun 12 - 03:07 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Jun 12 - 03:18 PM
Ed T 21 Oct 12 - 12:05 PM
Henry Krinkle 21 Oct 12 - 08:24 PM
Little Hawk 21 Oct 12 - 09:40 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 22 Oct 12 - 12:19 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 22 Oct 12 - 12:27 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 22 Oct 12 - 12:32 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Oct 12 - 02:47 PM
Amos 22 Oct 12 - 04:43 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Oct 12 - 04:46 PM
GUEST,999 22 Oct 12 - 06:52 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Oct 12 - 06:55 PM
GUEST,999 22 Oct 12 - 07:23 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Oct 12 - 10:22 PM
Little Hawk 22 Oct 12 - 11:55 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Oct 12 - 12:34 AM
Amos 23 Oct 12 - 10:17 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 23 Oct 12 - 11:20 AM
Little Hawk 23 Oct 12 - 02:36 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 08:36 AM
Bobert 15 May 13 - 08:52 AM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 09:08 AM
Greg F. 15 May 13 - 09:30 AM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 09:33 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 May 13 - 12:08 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 12:32 PM
Greg F. 15 May 13 - 12:34 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 12:35 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 12:44 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 03:23 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 03:25 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 03:32 PM
beardedbruce 15 May 13 - 03:42 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 May 13 - 07:32 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 May 13 - 01:20 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 May 13 - 01:43 AM
Don Firth 16 May 13 - 02:14 AM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 07:42 AM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 07:46 AM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 08:20 AM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 08:26 AM
Greg F. 16 May 13 - 08:53 AM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 09:04 AM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 09:32 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 May 13 - 10:25 AM
Don Firth 16 May 13 - 01:18 PM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 01:27 PM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 01:35 PM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 01:43 PM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 01:51 PM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 02:08 PM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 02:28 PM
Greg F. 16 May 13 - 02:49 PM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 02:59 PM
beardedbruce 16 May 13 - 03:08 PM
Greg F. 16 May 13 - 03:23 PM
Greg F. 16 May 13 - 06:08 PM
Don Firth 16 May 13 - 06:24 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 May 13 - 06:47 PM
Bobert 16 May 13 - 07:41 PM
Bobert 16 May 13 - 07:42 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 May 13 - 10:14 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 08:25 AM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 08:30 AM
Greg F. 17 May 13 - 08:41 AM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 09:28 AM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 09:43 AM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 09:44 AM
Greg F. 17 May 13 - 11:46 AM
Don Firth 17 May 13 - 11:55 AM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 12:24 PM
Don Firth 17 May 13 - 12:44 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 12:54 PM
Don Firth 17 May 13 - 01:08 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 01:11 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 01:14 PM
Greg F. 17 May 13 - 01:28 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 01:38 PM
Don Firth 17 May 13 - 01:42 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 01:46 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 01:51 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 01:56 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 02:15 PM
Don Firth 17 May 13 - 02:47 PM
beardedbruce 17 May 13 - 02:55 PM
Don Firth 17 May 13 - 03:06 PM
Greg F. 17 May 13 - 03:14 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 May 13 - 11:38 PM
Greg F. 20 May 13 - 07:58 AM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 08:06 AM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 08:28 AM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 08:54 AM
GUEST,gillymor 20 May 13 - 09:02 AM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 10:25 AM
Greg F. 20 May 13 - 10:42 AM
Greg F. 20 May 13 - 11:06 AM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 11:24 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 May 13 - 11:26 AM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 11:29 AM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 11:31 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 May 13 - 11:34 AM
Greg F. 20 May 13 - 12:09 PM
Greg F. 20 May 13 - 12:10 PM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 12:20 PM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 01:43 PM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 01:54 PM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 02:08 PM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 02:09 PM
beardedbruce 20 May 13 - 02:23 PM
GUEST,gillymor 20 May 13 - 02:29 PM
Greg F. 20 May 13 - 04:58 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 May 13 - 07:47 PM
Greg F. 20 May 13 - 08:32 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 May 13 - 01:19 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 21 May 13 - 07:24 AM
GUEST,gillymor 21 May 13 - 08:48 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 09:02 AM
Greg F. 21 May 13 - 09:33 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 09:59 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 10:23 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 10:25 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 10:28 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 10:58 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 11:10 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 11:14 AM
Greg F. 21 May 13 - 11:51 AM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 12:11 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 May 13 - 12:54 PM
Greg F. 21 May 13 - 01:20 PM
Greg F. 21 May 13 - 01:21 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 01:50 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 01:54 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 02:32 PM
beardedbruce 21 May 13 - 02:35 PM
Greg F. 21 May 13 - 05:09 PM
Bobert 21 May 13 - 05:21 PM
Don Firth 21 May 13 - 06:23 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 May 13 - 10:38 PM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 08:20 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 08:34 AM
Bobert 22 May 13 - 08:47 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 08:50 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 08:58 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 09:16 AM
Greg F. 22 May 13 - 09:42 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 10:30 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 10:36 AM
Bobert 22 May 13 - 11:00 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 11:08 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 11:12 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 11:16 AM
Greg F. 22 May 13 - 11:30 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 11:33 AM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 11:52 AM
Greg F. 22 May 13 - 12:03 PM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 12:06 PM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 12:08 PM
Bobert 22 May 13 - 12:35 PM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 12:52 PM
Greg F. 22 May 13 - 01:14 PM
beardedbruce 22 May 13 - 01:18 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 May 13 - 02:18 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 May 13 - 04:41 PM
beardedbruce 24 May 13 - 08:43 AM
GUEST 24 May 13 - 12:48 PM
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Subject: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 05:56 PM

I would like to start this new thread by inviting anyone who feels disappointed about the election of President-elect Obama to think about his statements: there is not a blue America and a red America--we are one nation, and we all have work to do and responsibility to take in making the future better.

With that sentiment in mind, what needs to be done? WHo, how and where should the Obama administration place its priorities to turn around the divisions and bitternesses that have poisoned our nation for the last many years, and start healing its Union, and its economy, and its repute, and its political framework. And, above all, its hopeful future?

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: jimmyt
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:00 PM

Amos, my friend, I hope you are right. I will support the president as I have always done, and I know I get criticised for this, but I have real fears for the economy because I simply do not think the numbers make any sense. I hope I have made a serious mistake and there are brighter days ahead soon, but in my heart of hearts, I am fearful. Having said that, I do feel that there will be a better sense of togethernessin the nation and this can only be good for the nation.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:03 PM

I think this should be moved to BS.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:07 PM

Jimmy:

We have all lived with fear for many years now.

We have feared mythical weapons and non-existant missiles. We have feared imaginary threats to the fabric of democracy. We have been taught to fear each other, the "others" of different persuasion, religion, sexual flavor, gender, color, nation of birth.

It is time for us all to throw off fear and speak from our common humanity about what is clearly right, what is plainly good, what is possible if we throw off fear and instead choose to generate energy toward the possible.

Thanks for your thoughtful words.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:12 PM

You'd think that after all these years of political thread, Amos would know where to find the BS button.
Below, below, below....
And the politickers lie down below.

-Joe O-


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:26 PM

Have you seen today's Doonesbury? Let's not forget that priority!


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:38 PM

Art:

Surely the deepest and best gift we can give our troops is to build a nation of which they can be proud.

That is something every American can believe in.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:49 PM

I think bringing 'em safely home to honor and promises KEPT would be a damned fine start.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:54 PM

America has seen several campaigns exploiting fears and special interests and while both parties may have been guilty to a degree the Republicans in the last decade have cultivated the exploitation of cultural division to a level that I cannot remember having seen before. The fact that so many prominent conservatives and Republicans have endorsed Obama at least gives hope that those who truly care about the country whatever party will be willing to work together to create some unity in this country. I do believe that Obama will attempt to lead in this direction. Since he has demonstrated a remarkable self-control when confronted with personal slurs, lies, and misinformation, my hope is that he will set a standard for his own party as well. I do not think we will ever see a time when all Americans agree on every issue and I do not think it would healthy if they did. But we all do have some common interest and we need a leader with the vision to bring about responsible government that serves everyone in the country and who can bring together people of varying interests, help them find the common ground and work out responsible decisions. I would seriously doubt that we will see a quick solutions to the economic problems but we need to start instead of resorting to denial, more borrowing, and printing more script.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 07:38 PM

Well, I have given this more thought than I should have... Yeah, I should have bought into this Democrtaic paranoi (Florida, 2000; Ohio 2004) but I think that Barack Obama will win this and I think that will be fortunate for the country because...

...he is a cool customer and that5's what America needs at this time... Wheather or not he becomes a 2nd FDR we'll see... What whe have seen is a guy who absolutely won't make decisions based on hunch or emotion... That's a good thing...

But, yeah, as my buddy JimmyT has pointed out, the economy is #1, #2 and #3... I know that Obama has very close ties to Warren Buffet but I think that he'll work well with current Fed chairman, Ben Bernacke... But he needs to also create some good feeling so look for Robert Gates to be kept at Defense... Look for Colin Powell to return to State... And Richard Lugar will also be pulled in... Not sure where but this will show, unlike what Bush did in 2000, that Obama means to govern all the people....

Now back to the economy... Obama is going to have to accept McCain's proposal to buy up forclosure loans where the homeowner can reasonably pay at 6% fixed for 30 years... This will stabilize the housing market and is exactly what FDR did in 1933 with his Home Loan Corp.... But Obama is going to have to take this one step further and sell the American people on a perminent Home Loan Corp. and use the principle tyo repay the4 taxpayers initial outlay and the interest to go into shoring up Social Security....


Most of these things I feel strongly he will do...

Now we just gotta go and stand in the luines to make it happen because...

a McCain administration will be like a human pinball with no cohesive narrative and no real plan...

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 07:50 PM

Well, I certainly agree.

I would like to hear from DougR, Sawz, and BB what they think an Obama administration should do as a first set of priorities for the net good of the nation.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 08:04 PM

Whoever wins with inherit a lot of problems. There 'could' be even be MORE problems by Jan. 20.

I think the world in general will relax with Obama as president, and that should make his work a bit easier.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 08:33 PM

Well, Obama will basically be stepping aboard a trainwreck. Our economy is in shambles. We are overextended overseas in terms of our military commitments. The energy crisis has eased but only because our economic woes have significantly reduced our demand for oil. The national debt has doubled during the last 8 years and just paying the interest will take a large portion of our tax dollars, and send them overseas to China and the Middle East.

But I certainly expect that Obama will do his best to deal with this challenge. That's why I've been supporting him, and the best I can do on my own is play banjo and set old poems to music.

One of Obama's strongest points is his understanding of the importance of organizing for change, and it is the major reason his campaign has overwhelmed the McCain campaign while confounding the pundits. He will have his chance to demonstrate his skills with a new Democratically controlled Congress.

Even if Obama doesn't succeed in implementing his major policy initiatives in the first hundred days (which I don't necessarily expect to happen), a whole lot of people, here and abroad, will still take satisfaction that a person of his character and experience can be elected President.

Think about that!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 08:39 PM

Should, or will??


"I think the world in general will relax with Obama as president"

Is an opinion. I might hope so, but do not see this as likely.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Joe_F
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 08:45 PM

This company may recall that during the primary campaign I wished for something that was not going to happen &, sure enough, didn't. Likewise, at this juncture, I wish the new president, whichever he is, would say in his inaugural address: "This government does not have, does not need, and does not claim the power to turn the USA into a police state".


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,pattyClink
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 04:58 PM

First thing, cut off the corporate bullies who have been steering our ship of state. Make them persona non grata and their money too.

Second thing, take a wrench to Congress' idiotic rules before they mindlessly re-instate them in January unchanged. Ditch the committees, the seniority, the omnibus bills, the phony Record, all the crap.

Third thing, triple the budgets of every regulatory agency, give them their teeth back, and turn them loose in behalf of the general welfare: FDA, FCC, FTC, USDA, whatever.

Then take a little break.

Fourth, get the economy away from the cliff, by public works projects, and by incentivizing job creation and non-outsourcing, even if it takes tariffs, before our industrial engine is completely gone.

Fifth, dismantle the big investment banks bit by bit and lets start over with little bitty banks.

That'll be a good start.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 05:25 PM

A fine program, ma'a'm!!!


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 05:28 PM

As a complete package, I can go along with that.



But I suspect the second point will be overlooked, as soon as the party in power realizes that they can run roughshod over the rest of us.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 07:30 PM

Amos:

I don't feel disappointed at all but I point out Obama's dirty deal to get support from the Unions to get elected is an impeachable offense.

The "Employee Free Choice Act" takes away the right to a secret ballot.

It is unconstitutional ans Obama needs to be impeached immediately.

The Constitution of the United States of America

The foundation of our American Government, its purpose and form and structure are found in the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution, written in 1787, is the "supreme law of the land" because no law may be passed that contradicts its principles. No person or government is exempt from following it.

The Constitution establishes a federal democratic republic form of government. That is, we have an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. It is a democracy because people govern themselves. It is representative because people choose elected officials by free and secret ballot. It is a republic because the Government derives its power from the people.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 07:51 PM

Ahhhhhh, Sawz.... I don't know where you are getting your info but it certainly ain't correct... The act provides for secret ballots without management oversight...

This bill is intended to strengthen unions so that we can end a 30 years slide in real wages paid to the working class...

You have a problem with that???

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 01:02 AM

The people of the United States tonight have elected Barack Obama as their voice and theor representative, and their President Elect.

This is an incredible moment. In it, we are seeing the beginning of a new generation of American possibility and hope.

I am amazed and grateful that I could be here to see this happen.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: frogprince
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 01:05 AM

Oh, listen; the lovely sound of the yellow-bellied guest peckerwood!

Nope. In the BS section, Guests who don't sign-in get deleted.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 01:07 AM

They are part of America.

They hold out for a vision of what is right, and what will be good.

The confusions of their voices will clarify and the hardness of their hearts, I can hope, will open, and soften.

This a large night for all Americans.



A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 01:34 AM

I like it. That's my popular view of the Obama administration. :-D


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Barry Finn
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 02:38 AM

BB
What you just heard was the world breathing a huge sigh of relief, they are dancing in the streets of Everywhere.

Barry


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 11:13 AM

"There are tens of millions of white Americans who are part of ethnic groups that have never produced a president," Boaz writes. "The fact is, all 42 of our presidents have been of British, Irish, or Germanic descent. We've never had a president of southern or eastern European ancestry. Despite the millions of Americans who came to the New World from France, Italy, Poland, Spain, Scandinavia, Russia, and other parts of Europe–not to mention Asia and the Arab world and Latin America–we've never had a president who traced his ancestry to those parts of the world." Boaz later adds:

As Philip Q. Yang put it in his book Ethnic Studies: Issues and Approaches, "There have been no presidents of southern and eastern European descent; and none of Jewish, African, Latino, Asian, or Indian descent." We've had 37 presidents of British (English, Scottish, or Welsh) or Irish descent; three of Dutch descent (Van Buren and the two Roosevelts); and two of Swiss/German descent (Hoover and Eisenhower). Of course, these categories usually refer to the president's paternal line; Reagan, for instance, was Irish on his father's side but not on his mother's. But that doesn't change the overall picture.

In this light, Obama's achievement is even more remarkable. He has achieved something that no American politician even of southern or eastern European heritage has managed. But I think we can assume that from now on there won't be any perceived disadvantage to candidates of Italian, French, Asian, or other previous genealogies not previously seen in the White House. For that, congratulations to Barack Obama." (NYT)
         
Comments:



We made a decision tonight, we decided against self-interest and for the greater good. I can't wait to help.

— Anne V

2. November 5, 2008
1:28 am



I really doubt that there was "any perceived disadvantage to candidates of Italian, French" or any other white ethnicity to gaining the White House. What Obama already has accomplished is far more historic.

— Miande

3. November 5, 2008
2:30 am



While Barack Obama may not be from Southern or Eastern ancestry he does represent the melting pot that the Statue of Liberty embraces. A white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya at a time where miscegenation was still against the law in at least one state in America. He does represent in a very real and anthropological sense all of us, I volunteered for Obama and I believe that his campaign and the melding of people with technology will be a paradigm for all future political campaigns. That being said does it really matter where he is from we will always see color but we should also learn to see beyond that and recognize that genetically we are more alike than we are different and thereby recognize that we have to make decisions that are for the greater good rather than individual self-interest.

— Lawrence W

4. November 5, 2008
2:37 am



My hope is this man, Barack Obama, will be the real "uniter", reach across the aisles, appoint people who are competent in their jobs. I hope this is the man who will be for everyone regardless of color, creed, origin, because this is America. I have a really good feeling about him. He has an enormous task ahead of him, but I think people will help him any way they can.

— miria s

5. November 5, 2008
6:00 am



This is a great achievement for all. The younger generation, which I am part of, has as well. I am so proud of what we have done with this election. I am currently studying in England at an American campus and the amount that we have watched the election is substantial. Many of us stayed up to watch debates, gone to lectures and most importantly, voted. We stood up for something we believed in, whatever it is, from thousands of miles away.

— Sandahl Masson


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 04:35 PM

The following article from the Washington Post expresses a number of my opinions and concerns- and I will express MY hopes that Obama will be held to the same standards that Bush was.






Hail to the Chief

By Michael Gerson
Wednesday, November 5, 2008; Page A26

I come to this moment of national decision with deep concerns about the next president. His victory is likely to unleash an ideological and vengeful Democratic Congress. In the testing of a long campaign, Barack Obama has seemed thoughtful but sometimes hesitant and unsure of his bearings. He promises outreach and healing but holds to a liberalism that sees no need for innovation. And as the result of a financial panic that unfairly undermined all Republicans, Obama has stumbled into the most dangerous kind of victory. A mandate for change but not for ideas. A mandate without clear meaning.

But a presidential election is more than a political choice; it is a moral dividing line. It involves not just the triumph of a majority but a transfer of legitimacy that binds the minority as well. This is a largely undiscussed topic in modern political debate: legitimacy. It is a kind of democratic magic that turns votes into authority. It does not require political agreement. It does imply a patriotic respect for the processes of government and a determination to honor the president for the sake of the office he holds.

In the past few decades, the magic of legitimacy has seemed to fade. Opponents of President Bill Clinton turned their disagreements (and Clinton's human failures) into an assault on his power. Some turned to insane conspiracy theories, including accusations of politically motivated murder. After President Bush's reelection, elements of the left began their own attack on his legitimacy, talking of impeachment while repeating lunatic theories about deception and criminality.

After a deserved honeymoon, the new president is likely to find that the intensity of this bitterness has only gathered. Because of the ideological polarization of cable television news, talk radio and the Internet, Americans can now get their information from entirely partisan sources. They can live, if they choose to, in an ideological world of their own creation, viewing anyone outside that world as an idiot or criminal, and finding many who will cheer their intemperance. Liberals have perfected this machinery of disdain over the past few years. Given the provocation, the same approach is likely to be turned against the new president by the right as well.

Barack Obama's first years may well be dominated by a recession and a swiftly arming Iran. Some conservatives will be tempted to take joy from his inevitable struggles; others to spin conspiracy theories from his background and associations. It will be easy to blame every emerging challenge on the faults and failures of an inexperienced young president. But it will be more difficult for me.

I remember the vivid days of possibility that follow a presidential victory. I happened to be in the Roosevelt Room in January 2001 just as the portrait of Teddy Roosevelt, heroic on horseback, was moved over the fireplace, where it hangs during Republican administrations. And I know that someone, feeling the same hope and burden that I felt, will be watching when Franklin Roosevelt is moved back to the place of honor.

There is a tremendous sense of history and responsibility that comes with serving in the White House. You gain an appreciation for the conflicted choices others have faced -- and for the untamed role of history in frustrating the best of plans. It becomes easier to understand a president's challenges and harder to question his motives. Ultimately, I believe that every president, and the staff he hires, feels the duty to serve a single national interest. And, ultimately, we need our presidents to succeed, not to fail for our own satisfaction or vindication.

This presidency in particular should be a source of pride even for those who do not share its priorities. An African American will take the oath of office blocks from where slaves were once housed in pens and sold for profit. He will sleep in a house built in part by slave labor, near the room where Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation with firm hand. He will host dinners where Teddy Roosevelt in 1901 entertained the first African American to be a formal dinner guest in the White House; command a military that was not officially integrated until 1948. Every event, every act, will complete a cycle of history. It will be the most dramatic possible demonstration that the promise of America -- so long deferred -- is not a lie.

I suspect I will have many substantive criticisms of the new administration, beginning soon enough. Today I have only one message for Barack Obama, who will be our president, my president: Hail to the chief.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 05:14 PM

Stocks plunge as anxious investors ponder impact of Obama presidency on business, economy

Wednesday November 5
NEW YORK (AP) -- A case of postelection nerves sent Wall Street plunging Wednesday as investors absorbing a stream of bad economic news wondered how a Barack Obama presidency will help the country weather a possibly severe recession. Volatility returned to the market, with the Dow Jones industrials falling nearly 500 points and all the major indexes tumbling more than 5 percent.

The market was expected to give back some gains after a six-day runup that lifted the Standard & Poor's 500 index more than 18 percent. But investors lost some of their recent confidence about the economy and began dumping stocks again; light volume helped exaggerate the price swings....


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Gervase
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 05:55 PM

Stocks plunge when there's a rumour that a sparrow has farted, for heaven's sake. Anyone who adjusts their jib according to the markets is a fool led by bigger imbeciles.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 05:56 PM

a liberalism that sees no need for innovation. By definition that would have to mean "a conservative liberalism".


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 06:00 PM

They soared yesterday as he was winning, Sawz.

Get bent, pal.

Climb out of your grimy trench of blame and shame, and walk out into some sunshine; you will feel better.



A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 06:14 PM

"and no real plan" "Obama is going to have to accept McCain's proposal to buy up forclosure loans"

Bobert:

Not to be antagonistic or derogatory or anything but I think you need to have the left and right lobes of your brain connected together. You contradict yourself every few sentences or words. It looks like you are trying to be gracious to Mac but then you claim he had no plan.

Now as to the "Employee Free Choice Act", did you check it out at all before you made the statement? That is how you get in the position of having to defend the indefensible with bluster, threats and namecalling.

Why does George McGovern claim ii will take away the secret ballot?

I know the name sounds ducky but the name belies the actual contents of the bill.

Remember Phil Gramm and Mac's GLBA bill that unleashed the subprime debacle? It was called the Financial Services Modernization Act and it was supposed to keep banks from sharing your personal information.

One of labor's top agenda items for at least the last two years has been the Employee Free Choice Act, which would strip employees from the secret ballot in deciding whether to form a union. The measure was defeated earlier, but will doubtlessly get a second hearing with an Obama administration.

I know this is going to break down into a Business vs Union battle but a line needs to be drawn somewhere.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 06:36 PM

Amos really likes to read his own rhetorical flourishes. All kinds of stuff about one eyed snakes and people in the sunlight. A real wordsmith.

The stock market was going up until he won.

Or in Amos speak, The equities trading market was on an upward incline until such time as it was made clear the the Democratic candidate would be in control of the financial destiny of the citizens of the United States of America. Whereupon they took the President Elect's campaign promise to increase the rate of the capital gains tax which would therefore and thereby reduce the net profits arising from any scant profits that could be realized at this time, and therefore decided to pull the plug on a quantity of their investments thereby causing the equities trading market to redirect itself on a downward incline which, by the end of the trading day following the election, resulted in a 5.05 percentage point reduction of the Dow Jones Industrial average price of equities.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 06:50 PM

"The "Employee Free Choice Act" will not repeal "Right to Work" regulations, as established under the Taft-Hartley Act. "Right to Work" states establish that membership in an organized labor union can not be compulsory for employment.

"On March 1, 2007, the House of Representatives passed the act by a vote of 241 to 185. The Senate on June 26, 2007 voted 51 to 48 on a motion to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed to consider the bill. The bill is unlikely to pass during the 110th United States Congress because 60 votes were needed to invoke cloture." Wikipedia

I hope Big Mick comes strolling by. I'd like to hear his views. In the video, McGovern doesn't detail in what way(s) a vote would not be private.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Barry Finn
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 07:03 PM

BB
Bush hasn't held himself up to any standards nor has he set any standards. He has been throughout his whole "occupancy" way below par & has lowered the bar to rock bottom.
Obama already has surpassed Bush, did you listen to his speech. Not one grammatical error, not one umm, huh, his ideas came across clear & concise; there was no confusion as to what he said. I was thrilled to finally hear a leader of ours that could talk on an intelligent level for the 1st time in 8 yrs.
So, he has so far surpassed the standards that Bush was held to & we are not even at day one, so don't fear there'll be far more important issues than standards to care about.

Barry


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 07:47 PM

Jeeze, Sawz, lookit you go, talking up a blue streak.   I gotta say, I yam most impressed at your loqucious polysyllabic circumlocutions.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 09:47 PM

And I suppose you think that is a virtue? I think it is obfuscation. As an example, Amos cannot offer a reason for why the stock market went down today.

He prefers to sit back and say someone else is wrong with wordy superfluous personal attacks like "Climb out of your grimy trench of blame and shame, and walk out into some sunshine; you will feel better."

Hey Amos, what kind of a trench are you in that keeps you from addressing the issue instead of attacking someone?

Can Ebbie read the bill and make up her own mind or does she a man to figure things out and do the heavy lifting?

Hey Mick, Ebbie here needs a big strong man help with her thinking and protect her.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 09:50 PM

Amos: "Sawz, and BB what they think an Obama administration should do as a first set of priorities for the net good of the nation"

Get rid of the Employee Free Choice Act.

Do not raise taxes on capital gains.

Drill Drill Drill


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 11:34 PM

Well, nasty-boy, I think the market went up and down for the same reasons it has been rollercoastering like a rabid badger with the flue for the last six months. I seriously doubt the drop of one day, a drop completely consistent with the generall trend, was severely influenced by Obama vs. McCain. Nor have you produced any reason for thinking so, or any evidence it was a causative coupling.

Tell me what it is you think the Employee Free Choice Act does? The AFLCIO seems to like it. Wikipedia's article says:

he Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) is legislation in the United States which aims to "amend the National Labor Relations Act to establish an efficient system to enable employees to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to provide for mandatory injunctions for unfair labor practices during organizing efforts, and for other purposes."[1] Under current labor law, the U.S. National Labor Relations Board will certify a union as the exclusive representative of employees if it is elected by either a majority signature drive, the card check process, or by secret ballot NLRB election, which is held if more than 30% of employees in a bargaining unit sign statements asking for representation by a union. Pursuant to the bill, a union can demand that an employer begin bargaining with it 10 days after the union is certified as the exclusive bargaining representative for an appropriate unit of employees via the card check. [2] In addition, if the union and employer cannot agree upon the terms of a first collective bargaining contract within 90 days, either party can request federal mediation, which could lead to binding arbitration if an agreement still cannot be reached after 30 days of mediation. [3] Where government arbitration determines terms of the agreement, employees would lose their current right to ratify the terms of the agreement. [4] Finally, the Act would provide for liquidated damages of three times back pay if employers were found to have unlawfully terminated pro-union employees. [5] The EFCA also would impose a $20,000.00 penalty upon employers for each employer violation of the proposed legislation if the NLRB and/or a court deems the violation willful or repetitive. [6] [7]


What's the deal from your point of view, then?


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 06:33 PM

How I see it: Reactions to the Obama victory

"I wish God speed to the man who was my former opponent and will be my president. I call on all Americans... to not despair of our present difficulties but to believe in the promise and greatness of America."

John McCain

"I am especially proud because this is a country that's been through a long journey inovercoming wounds, and making race not the factor in our lives. That work is not done, but yesterday was obviously an extra-ordinary step forward."

Condoleezza Rice

"Your victory has demonstrated that no personanywhere in the world should not dare to dream of wanting to change the world for a better place."

Nelson Mandela

"I congratulate President-elect Obama on his historic victory. Now it's time to begin unifying the country so we can take on the extraordinary challenges that this generation faces."

George Clooney

"It feels like hope won. It feels like it's not just victory for Barack Obama. It feels like America did the right thing. It feels like anything is now possible."

Oprah Winfrey


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:05 PM

"Can Ebbie read the bill and make up her own mind or does she a man to figure things out and do the heavy lifting?

"Hey Mick, Ebbie here needs a big strong man help with her thinking and protect her."

sheeit. Thou art a bitter, ineffectual, defeated person. Were I a man I would be embarrassed for you. As it is, I can pour a little magnamity in your direction, recognizing that you have suffered a nasty blow. Give it up, man. lol


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 08:18 PM

C'mon, Sawz. Your horse is dead! You can put down the whip now. Go have yourself a good cry.

Here's a Kleenex. Wipe your nose.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 10:11 AM

An interesting piece in the Times urges the vitalization of Obama's Volunteers--the unprecedented network of energetic youth who carried the water for his unprecedented campaign--toward starting now on social fabric issues such as poverty, using the same compelling network technology that succeeded int he campaign.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 11:39 AM

Comments from a political science professor:

"Many are urging President-elect Barack Obama to govern from the center, claiming that "middle-of-the-road" policies better suit a nation that remains "center-right." This advice carries particular weight coming from moderate Southern Democrats, whose states remained mostly red on Tuesday. But this is exactly the wrong advice because it mistakenly presumes that American politics is driven by labels. Americans are fed up with government by slogans. They hunger for workable solutions to their pressing problems.

Democrats have listened to this kind of conventional wisdom in the past, and failed. The centrist Georgia Democratic Party had exhausted its middle ground approach by 2000 and lacked new ideas tailored to the rapidly changing times. Moderate Democrats tried to stave off surging Republican realignment by running on Reaganesque rhetoric and governing with "Republican-lite" policies, but the voters preferred Republican government administered by genuine Republicans.

Former Gov. Roy Barnes joked that his educational reform was 90 percent Republican, but the joke was on him when Georgia's teachers, the core of any viable Democratic coalition in the state, led the tidal wave of rejection that sank state Democrats in 2002. And Bill Clinton, no matter how refreshing a breather during the Reagan-Bush era, was merely an interlude before the rightward lurch of the second President Bush.

We don't need a one-and-a-half party system, with the Democrats playing second fiddle to a hegemonic Republican Party. Instead, Democrats should look to North Carolina, where Obama and Senate victories showed what Democrats can accomplish when they strongly contest elections. In light of the surprising muscle flexed by Georgia Democrats on Tuesday, imagine the result if significant resources had been invested early and consistently in a forthright campaign to turn the state blue.

Americans are ideological "conservatives" —- in the abstract, they believe in less government. But in practice, they are "liberals" —- they want active government programs to help solve their problems, and they respond enthusiastically to proposals such as Obama's plans to restore middle-class tax cuts, extend health care, explore alternative energy sources, and reconfigure the war on terror. In other words, Americans don't want big government, but they do want effective government.

Ronald Reagan was actually only moderately successful in repealing government programs. George W. Bush took office determined to push the Reagan revolution to its logical extreme and finally translate taglines such as laissez faire, market solutions and individual responsibility into policies of deregulation and inaction (expansive foreign policy and military overcommitment aside). The result, we now see, was an economic, fiscal, environmental, energy, social and international train wreck.

Americans have real problems that aren't caused by their personal irresponsibility. It's not individual failure when your company ships your job to Taiwan, your employer doesn't provide health insurance or your policy doesn't cover what's actually making you sick, or your kids receive a third-rate education because your taxes are being squandered on neoconservative pipe dreams of dominating oil-rich regions abroad. Millions of hardworking Americans have played by the rules but, despite their diligence and responsibility, find themselves holding jobs that don't pay a living wage, discover that their pensions are worthless and awaken to the tanking values of their homes and savings, manipulated by unscrupulous and unregulated big investors. Laissez-faire government can't solve these problems; it simply enables the large transnational corporations and the small class of super-rich who, coddled and cajoled by the Republicans, have been breaking, or rewriting, the rules.

The way to effective 21st-century governance and a political realignment lies not through empty sloganeering about being centrist and in the middle of the road, but through developing an innovative public philosophy and matching policies that will build a stronger America. Obama, like Franklin Roosevelt, has impressive rhetorical skills, and clearly people need inspiration in times like the Depression (or now). But FDR didn't just give cozy fireside chats and soaring inaugural speeches; he brought the New Deal to a country desperate for a new departure.

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In these opening days of Obamerica, the guiding orientation of first steps can make all the difference.

I think the writer of the above piece has some valuable insights into the difference between too much government, and too ineffective a government. We should shun both and streive for a government that is just large enough to effectively provide the best playing field for the destiny of the individuals who make up America, their states, and their nation to be won.




A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 01:21 PM

Part of a discussion between the president of the American Council of Germany, William Drozdiak, and der SPiegel staff:

"...Drozdiak: Former German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer called me and said it was amazing how America can reinvent itself. I get many such calls from Europe. But they are right: Who would have thought we can go straight from George W. Bush to a president like Obama?

SPIEGEL ONLINE: But won't Europeans be disillusioned when they realize Obama is just the President of the United States and not the world?

Drozdiak: I am expecting the opposite. Europeans are happy about the promise of an Obama administration. But relations should improve even more when they see the US is actually serious about ending unilateralism -- and shows for instance leadership on climate change.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: But American voters elected Obama to deal with the economic crisis -- not to save the global climate.

Drozdiak: The financial crisis will be a top priority. His team already has people in the Treasury working on this. But I also expect Obama to sign an Executive Order on the day of his inauguration for a complete ban on torture. I expect him to do something about Guantanamo quickly. Congress might sign up to the International Criminal Court. All this would help trans-Atlantic relations a lot -- and I am sure a major climate change initiative would come very early, too.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: How quickly would Obama ask for more German troops in the south of Afghanistan?

Drozdiak: The mission needs more troops there. However, Obama is also aware it is difficult for German politicians to commit soldiers in an election year. But I believe he would tell German Chancellor Angela Merkel and (German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier a leader sometimes needs to do the right thing -- even if only 20 percent of the population supports it.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Is more European help in Iraq such a thing, too?

Drozdiak: It would be difficult to ask the Europeans for more troops there. Obama could convene a regional conference which might lead to UN peacekeeping and more European military involvement. But the US focus will be Afghanistan.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Other foreign policy challenges might come soon. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev threatened to place short-term missiles near Poland in reaction to US missile plans.

Drozdiak: That was an incredibly stupid thing to do. It is pushing Obama into a corner. He is working on a smarter relationship with Russia which might include a revaluation of the missile plans or more cooperation on disarmament and nonproliferation -- but such remarks make it much harder for him because he could be portrayed as "weak" by Republicans for just thinking about it.

Drozdiak: The trip was a success. One should not underestimate the power of an image: So many Europeans listening to his speech. It drove home the message that Europeans are not anti-American -- they were anti-Bush.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Does that mean President Obama will return to Berlin soon? To speak at the Brandenburg Gate this time?

Drozdiak: His first Europe visit will probably be the NATO summit in Baden-Baden in April 2009. But, sure, he could come back to Berlin soon. And, given his popularity, he could speak right at the Gate - he would not have to go into hiding like President Bush.

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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 09:28 AM

A NY Times editorial; observer:

Democratic Pressure on Obama to Restore the Rule of Law
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By ADAM COHEN
Published: November 14, 2008
In a Senate hearing room in September, weeks before Barack Obama won the election, a series of law professors, lawyers and civil libertarians outlined one of the biggest challenges that will be facing the next president: bringing the United States government back under the rule of law.

Over the past eight years, they testified, American legal traditions have been degraded in areas ranging from domestic spying to government secrecy. The damage that has been done by President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and others is so grave that just assessing it will be an enormous task. Repairing it will be even more enormous.

This was not a new complaint. Civil liberties advocates have been sounding the alarm for years. The difference now is that a Democrat is about to assume the presidency, and one of the most ardent defenders of civil liberties in his party — Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin — is dedicated to putting the restoration of the rule of law on the agenda of the incoming government, with the support of the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups.

Mr. Feingold, who is chairman the Senate Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on the Constitution, already has left his imprint on campaign finance, with the McCain-Feingold law, and has been a leading critic of pork-barrel spending and corporate welfare.

Now he has a new cause. Before the election, Mr. Feingold argued that whoever won should make a priority of rolling back Bush administration policies that eroded constitutional rights and disrupted the careful system of checks and balances. Now that Mr. Obama — a onetime constitutional law professor who made this issue a cause early in the campaign — has won the election, there is both reason for optimism and increased pressure on the president-elect to keep his promises.

Mr. Feingold has been compiling a list of areas for the next president to focus on, which he intends to present to Mr. Obama. It includes amending the Patriot Act, giving detainees greater legal protections and banning torture, cruelty and degrading treatment. He wants to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to restore limits on domestic spying. And he wants to roll back the Bush administration's dedication to classifying government documents.

Many reforms could be implemented directly by the next president. Mr. Obama could renounce Mr. Bush's extreme views of executive power, including the notion that in many areas, the president can act as he wants without restraint by Congress or the judiciary. Mr. Obama also could declare his intention not to use presidential signing statements as Mr. Bush did in record numbers to reject parts of bills signed into law.

Congress also has work to do. Many of the excesses of the last eight years have been the result of Mr. Feingold's colleagues' capitulation as much as presidential overreaching. He expects Congress to do more than just fix laws like the Patriot Act. He wants the Senate to question presidential nominees closely at their confirmation hearings about their commitment to the rule of law. And he hopes Congress will do its duty to impose the rigorous supervision it rarely imposed in the Bush years.

Restoring the rule of law will not be easy, Mr. Feingold concedes. Part of the problem is that it is hard to know how much damage has been done. Many programs, like domestic spying and extraordinary rendition — the secret transfer of detainees to foreign countries where they are harshly interrogated — have operated in the shadows.
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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 09:57 PM

Mr. Feingold? I thought he and John McCain had recently gone into business together selling jewelry--on QVC.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 10:13 PM

Heck, he ain't even President yet so he ain't got no "Administration" yet.

But I'm hopeful. A new beginning is always a time for hope.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 12:04 PM

High Hopes
By ANDREW KOHUT
Andrew Kohut is the president of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. (NYT)

Barack Obama won only 53 percent of the vote on Election Day, but he is getting a landslide greeting from the American public. Indeed, recent polls by Gallup and the Pew Research Center find the public exuberant about Mr. Obama and optimistic that he will solve the nation's problems.

A Pew post-election poll taken last weekend finds the voters giving Mr. Obama better grades for his conduct during the campaign than any presidential candidate since 1988. Seventy-five percent of the sample gave Mr. Obama a grade of A or B grade for his performance, while 24 percent gave him a C, D or F.


Source: Pew Research Center
The Gallup Poll also showed Mr. Obama getting a higher post-election favorable rating (68 percent) than either George W. Bush in 2000 (56 percent) or Bill Clinton in 1992 (60 percent).

Looking ahead, Pew found 67 percent of its national sample of voters saying they thought that Mr. Obama would have a successful first term, as many as 39 percent of those voters supported John McCain. The Gallup Poll asked a broader question about the state of the country four years from now, but found a similar result: 65 percent said the country will be better off. In comparison, only 50 percent thought the country would be better off following George W. Bush's victory in 2000, and about the same number (51 percent) thought the country would be better off following Bill Clinton's success in 1992.

When Gallup asked about specific problems confronting the new administration, it found majorities saying they expected the new administration to succeed in dealing with 13 of 16 problem areas they tested. Notably large numbers expected that Mr. Obama will increase respect for the United States abroad; improve education, the environment and conditions for minorities and the poor; create a strong economic recovery; and succeed in getting troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan in a way that is "not harmful" to the United States.

The polls also showed the public anticipating a better political environment as well. The Pew survey showed somewhat more voters thinking relations between Republicans and Democrats in Washington would improve under Mr. Obama compared with a survey following the 2006 mid-term election (37 percent versus 29 percent). And Gallup found as many as 80 percent of its respondents thinking that Mr. Obama will make a sincere effort to work with Republicans to find solutions.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 11:43 AM

""BB
What you just heard was the world breathing a huge sigh of relief, they are dancing in the streets of Everywhere.""

AMEN TO THAT!!


I know it's not what you asked Amos, and I freely apologise for the drift, but where better to express an outsiders viewpoint?

Barack Obama is the first politician I have seen in decades, in whom I would put my trust. Not just the first US politico, THE FIRST!


My impression of the man is that his thinking revolves around putting the best interests of the American people (ALL of them) ahead of any political agenda or corporate loyalty.

IMHO the United States is fortunate indeed, and I just wish WE had one like him.

The only thing that could detract from his achieving success, would be the obstructive, blinkered and biased attitude so ably displayed by brainwashed republican fanatics who want the WHOLE cake for themselves. I won't give names, as we, and they, know who they are.

As I have said elsewhere, America was built on the pioneers' good neighbour philosophy, which drove the growth of the so called "Wild West". It makes me sad to think that the Republican Movement has forgotten this, and established a "ME FIRST, LAST, AND ALL THE TIME" philosophy in its place.

GO OBAMA!! And make AMERICA what it once was......GREAT.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 11:51 AM

HEar, hear, Don!!! Your post captures the best of our hopes and intentions for the future of the country, if we can get there!!!


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 02:46 PM

Don T-

Trust, but VERIFY.


Where is the problem in stating that one should hold Barack Obama to the same critical level of observation that one has held George Bush in?

Are we supposed to accept behaviour from Obama that we would not accept from Bush?



I have heard the speeches- as I heard the ones by Bush in 2000.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 03:07 PM

Seeing as how we as a nation have not held Bush to any standards whatever, I would hope that we as a nation would hold Obama to higher standards than we held Bush. And I trust that we will.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Barry Finn
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 05:57 PM

Bush had no standards at all & wasn't held to anything that would be considered a standard, fact is he lowered the bar across the board.

On the other hand it appears that Obama has rised the bar & therefore has rised the standards himself, something that hasn't been seen for quite some time.

Barry


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 06:52 PM

I would like to hear from DougR, Sawz, and BB...

Jaysus, be careful what you wish for!

Let sleeping imbeciles lie, will ya?


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 11:53 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/17/campbell.brown.lobbyists/index.html


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 08:54 PM

I notice she did not address what he actually said--that lobbyists would no longer set the agenda in his Administration. I notice she did not mention the fact the the Obama's rule-set for anyone who was a lobbyist prohibits them from having any direct connection with any field in which they lobbied. Seems to me that's a mess of data to leave out if you are trying to be "without Bias". "Maybe struggling to keep..." is a pretty broad and un-detailed and speculative assertion for someone dedicated to cutting through BS, wouldn't you think?


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 02:57 AM

Cardinal Stafford criticizes Obama as 'aggressive, disruptive and apocalyptic'

Washington DC, Nov 17, 2008 / 02:27 pm (CNA).- Cardinal James Francis Stafford, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary of the Holy See, delivered a lecture on Thursday saying that the future under President-elect Obama will echo Jesus' agony in Gethsemane. Criticizing Obama as "aggressive, disruptive and apocalyptic," he went on to speak about a decline in respect for human life and the need for Catholics to return to the values of marriage and human dignity.

Delivered at the Catholic University of America, the cardinal's lecture was titled "Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II: Being True in Body and Soul," the student university paper The Tower reports. Hosted by the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family, his words focused upon Paul VI's encyclical Humanae Vitae, whose fortieth anniversary is marked this year.

Commenting on the results of the recent presidential election, Cardinal Stafford said on Election Day "America suffered a cultural earthquake." The cardinal argued that President-elect Obama had campaigned on an "extremist anti-life platform" and predicted that the near future would be a time of trial.

"If 1968 was the year of America's 'suicide attempt,' 2008 is the year of America's exhaustion," he said, contrasting the year of Humane Vitae's promulgation with this election year.

"For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden," Cardinal Stafford told his audience. Catholics who weep the "hot, angry tears of betrayal" should try to identify with Jesus, who during his agony in the garden was "sick because of love."

The cardinal attributed America's decline to the Supreme Court's decisions such as the 1973 ruling in Roe v. Wade, which imposed permissive abortion laws nationwide.

"Its scrupulous meanness has had catastrophic effects upon the unity and integrity of the American republic," Cardinal Stafford commented, according to The Tower.

His theological remarks centered upon man's relationship with God and man's place in society.

"Man is a sacred element of secular life," he said, arguing that therefore "man should not be held to a supreme power of state, and a person's life cannot ultimately be controlled by government."

Cardinal Stafford also touched on the state of the family, saying that the truest reflection of the relationship between the believer and God is the relationship between husband and wife, and that contraceptive use does not fit within that relationship.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 08:48 AM

WHat a lot of hot air!! Never heard a cardinal whistle so loud since Stan Msuial struck out last in the ninth.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 02:18 PM

Barack Obama is showing a level of political genius that I had not expected. His outreach to Hillary Clinton as his possible secretary of state is a stunning move that will redound to his benefit -- even if she turns him down. By moving toward her with the highest offer he can make, the president-elect has recreated the Dream Team. He has drawn Hillary, the second most important Democrat in the country, into his intimate power circle. Despite a few anti-Hillary voices in the party, he has re-cemented the Democratic Party's internal glue.

Even if Clinton stays in the US Senate -- which might be a lot more useful to Obama than having her as secretary of state -- she could become the new president's chief partner in reshaping the country. She may not be president, and she might not become secretary of state. But, thanks to Obama, she has been anointed co-leader of the Democratic renaissance, the coming Obama resurrection.

Clinton has to love it. This where she always wanted to be. She is a combination of high idealism and raw political realism. Her ideals are undiminished, but her realistic influence was eroded in her primary losses to Obama. Now Barack has given her realism back. He has enhanced her effectiveness in the political arena. (Der SPiegel)


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 08:35 AM

Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 07:50 PM

Well, I certainly agree.

I would like to hear from DougR, Sawz, and BB what they think an Obama administration should do as a first set of priorities for the net good of the nation.

A

Out law labor unions.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Amos
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 08:41 AM

This truly will be an administration that looks like America, or at least that slice of America that got double 800s on their SATs. Even more than past administrations, this will be a valedictocracy — rule by those who graduate first in their high school classes. If a foreign enemy attacks the United States during the Harvard-Yale game any time over the next four years, we're screwed.

Already the culture of the Obama administration is coming into focus. Its members are twice as smart as the poor reporters who have to cover them, three times if you include the columnists. They typically served in the Clinton administration and then, like Cincinnatus, retreated to the comforts of private life — that is, if Cincinnatus had worked at Goldman Sachs, Williams & Connolly or the Brookings Institution. So many of them send their kids to Georgetown Day School, the posh leftish private school in D.C. that they'll be able to hold White House staff meetings in the carpool line.

And yet as much as I want to resent these overeducated Achievatrons (not to mention the incursion of a French-style government dominated by highly trained Enarchs), I find myself tremendously impressed by the Obama transition.

The fact that they can already leak one big appointee per day is testimony to an awful lot of expert staff work. Unlike past Democratic administrations, they are not just handing out jobs to the hacks approved by the favored interest groups. They're thinking holistically — there's a nice balance of policy wonks, governors and legislators. They're also thinking strategically. As Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute notes, it was smart to name Tom Daschle both the head of Health and Human Services and the health czar. Splitting those duties up, as Bill Clinton did, leads to all sorts of conflicts.

Most of all, they are picking Washington insiders. Or to be more precise, they are picking the best of the Washington insiders.

Obama seems to have dispensed with the romantic and failed notion that you need inexperienced "fresh faces" to change things. After all, it was L.B.J. who passed the Civil Rights Act. Moreover, because he is so young, Obama is not bringing along an insular coterie of lifelong aides who depend upon him for their well-being.

As a result, the team he has announced so far is more impressive than any other in recent memory. One may not agree with them on everything or even most things, but a few things are indisputably true.

First, these are open-minded individuals who are persuadable by evidence. Orszag, who will probably be budget director, is trusted by Republicans and Democrats for his honest presentation of the facts.

Second, they are admired professionals. Conservative legal experts have a high regard for the probable attorney general, Eric Holder, despite the business over the Marc Rich pardon.

Third, they are not excessively partisan. Obama signaled that he means to live up to his postpartisan rhetoric by letting Joe Lieberman keep his committee chairmanship.

Fourth, they are not ideological. The economic advisers, Furman and Goolsbee, are moderate and thoughtful Democrats. Hillary Clinton at State is problematic, mostly because nobody has a role for her husband. But, as she has demonstrated in the Senate, her foreign-policy views are hardheaded and pragmatic. (It would be great to see her set of interests complemented by Samantha Power's set of interests at the U.N.)

Finally, there are many people on this team with practical creativity. Any think tanker can come up with broad doctrines, but it is rare to find people who can give the president a list of concrete steps he can do day by day to advance American interests. Dennis Ross, who advised Obama during the campaign, is the best I've ever seen at this, but Rahm Emanuel also has this capacity, as does Craig and legislative liaison Phil Schiliro.

Believe me, I'm trying not to join in the vast, heaving O-phoria now sweeping the coastal haut-bourgeoisie. But the personnel decisions have been superb. The events of the past two weeks should be reassuring to anybody who feared that Obama would veer to the left or would suffer self-inflicted wounds because of his inexperience. He's off to a start that nearly justifies the hype.
(NYT)


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 05:27 PM

Sawzaw:"I would like to hear from DougR, Sawz, and BB what they think an Obama administration should do as a first set of priorities for the net good of the nation." Well, I don't know about Sawz and BB, but I believe Obama should refrain from raising taxes of any sort on anybody or anything, and put a freeze on establishing any NEW government programs until our economy has recovered. That should be the number 1 priority.

Amos: "this truly will be an administration that looks like America."
It looks like a third Clinton administration to me.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 05:32 PM

DougR;

Revisit your thinking if the differences aren't very, very obvious.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 05:50 PM

Amos: They are not. Looks like the same old Washington insiders to me.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 06:17 PM

No new programs, Dougie???

How so you feel about the $700B bailout??? That one is one yer guy's watch...

B!~)


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 06:19 PM

It would be a really big surprise to me if it didn't turn out that way, Doug, for two reasons:

1. That's what usually happens, regardless who wins the election.
2. Obama is probably wise to do it that way, rather than bringing in some inexperienced new faces.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 06:45 PM

"Orszag" - touch wood, that sounds like an Orc name to me...


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 08:00 PM

Obama is not going to raise any taxes at all. He is simply going to allow Bush's little experiment in reverse socialism come to an end and let the tax cuts for those who never needed them expire. The tax system will become like it was under Reagan until such time as The Democratic Congress can give fools like Joe the Plumber and Sawzaw tax breaks they were too shortsighted to ask for on their own. Hell, even dour Doug might pay a few pennies less.

The economy needs economic stimulus. There needs to be money in the hands of those who will spend it. Obama understands that. So called conservatives unfortunately haven't realized that the religious mantras that they think of as economics are as bankrupt as the "Masters of the Universe" that Bush's ignorance allowed to put us in this mess.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 08:23 PM

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Now that it's considered a foregone conclusion that Sen. Hillary Clinton will be the next secretary of State, the chattering class is weighing in, including legendary reporter Bob Woodward. FishbowlDC has obtained an advanced transcript of this weekend's "The Chris Matthews Show", in which the famed Washington Post reporter had this to say about Clinton's nomination as SoS:


Being president is about control, and tell me who ever controlled Bill or Hillary Clinton. They can't control each other. ... I think it's because Warren Buffett and Paul Volcker and others have convinced Obama, 'You're going to have to focus like a laser on the economy. That's issue Number One. And give Hillary and Bill the world.' ... I think people are fantasizing or smoking something if they think Joe Biden's going to call Hillary Clinton up and say, 'This is what we want you to do.'


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 09:26 PM

Bobert:The 700 Billion Dollar bailout is a stupid thing to do.

L.H.: But Obama's whole campaign was built on "change." Not the same old, same old.

JTS: If you REALLY believe Obama is not going to raise taxes, I know some oceanfront property here in Arizona for sale and can get you a very good price.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:04 PM

Yes, Doug, it was about "change". Well, you know as well as I do that politicians say all kinds of stuff during an election for but one purpose: to win it. McCain was also promising change, remember? He and Palin were both saying that they were "mavericks" and were going to initiate change and be very different from George Bush...only the public was not so well convinced of that. ;-)

Obama will be a change...to some extent...and in ways we probably haven't forseen yet. He'll have to figure it out as he goes along. Might as well wait and see what it is before complaining about it too much, I'd say.

Elections are 95% hoopla, spin, sensation, and BS, Doug. You know that. I know that. If anyone doesn't know it then they probably still believe in Santa Claus.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:39 PM

Obama's got a couple of choices with regard to Hillary, both of which have the potential to create problems. He can leave her where she is, where she can be much more independent of Obama's agenda, and where she could be even more of an impediment to his ability to accomplish what he wants to get done, or he could give her a job that she would probably be pretty good at, and in which she would be expected to toe the line for the administration.

I don't know which of those two choices would be worse for him, and I don't envy his having to decide. But it looks like he thinks having her as his Secretary of State would be better for helping him do what he wants to do, and in this particular case, I don't think I would try to second guess his decision.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 03:20 AM

Change?????? or MORE OF THE SAME???? Looks to me he was more into just getting elected, than what he could really do if he was...so he got the same old hacks that we had before!..you know, the Bush/Clinton bozos that messed up everything before!..but good luck anyway....and say your prayers, folks...oh, I forgot, God is 'politically incorrect'....


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 04:20 AM

YAp yap yap. You guys are really insightful--accusing Barack Obamaof not changing things when he isn't in office yet, just because you don't like the staff. Get real here. You have no idea what change is going to occur.

Let me add that he emphasized change from the last eight years of disasters. Some of the CLinton era folks were prety competent, for one thing, and will be even more so under a more disciplined President.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:42 AM

Change?....Oh i'm sorry, I have to be "Bi-partisan" now, with all my ex- Pub advisers and "Hillary the Hawk" running State. Oh i'm so sorry voters my hands are tied"...:0(

Alice, Amos,Don et al......Did you really think that any kind of meaningful change could be be achieved without you yourselves getting your hands dirty?

This is fuckin' politics and you have just been screwed, just as we were screwed by Mr Blair.
You voted for Disneyland and in all probability you will be treated to the Hammer house of Horrors.

As US finances continue to deteriorate and the lives of millions of ordinary folk with them, you have passed up the chance to break with the failed systems of the past,

Peter T seems a bit of a favourite here, and I hope he doesn't mind if I quote him. "This guy Obama sure rolls quick".....Ake


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 07:02 AM

Well, like Amos said... The guy ain't even in office and folks are allready tryin' to drum him out...

I will say this, however... With the mess the current crooks are leaving there's gonna be one heck of alot of cleaning up before thinking about throwing another party... That is reality...

But to place blame where blame is due it isn't just the current crop but every administration going back to the beginning of this mess which mean Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and now Bush II when the fox was placed in charge of guarding the hen house...

So I predict that it will take a good portion of Obama's first term just to create some stability in the markets and find that right amount of regulation that doesn't smoother business yet doesn't let it run wide open... On a truck that is called a "governor"... What a novel concept...

As fir the criticism that Obama is surrounding himself with veterans, I don't think that is fair... I mean, lets get real... Would he surround himself with mere idealogues like Bush II has done??? You want folks who at least understand how these departments work/don't work... Then you change the mission incrimentally until they reflect yer ideals... There is no other practical way of governing...

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 07:21 AM

As Amos, Bobert and I, among others, have been saying, it's just slightly premature to condemn the Obama admininistration as being "no change" before he even takes office.

Actually I think Obama should have picked Lugar as Secretary of State. Now that would have been real change--really reaching across the aisle--and splitting the Republicans even more than they are now. But something tells me that that change would have been not what the complainers here are looking for.

It's like I said on another thread. Some folks on Mudcat are not happy unless they can whine about something.   Maybe it's essential so they can sleep.

But the rest of us, who actually are pretty happy with the way things turned out politically, can sleep just fine.

And I suspect we have lower blood pressure than the whiners too.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 07:23 AM

Lugar or Hagel. Both have recognized what a disastrous idea the Iraq war was--and both want to end it soon--without insisting on the chimera of "victory".


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 09:50 AM

I was amazed to see Obama pick Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security. I thought it was a brilliant choice, and it went a long way to restore my faith in Obama. I think all of his cabinet picks have been very, very good.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 10:30 AM

Check Rig's last post. The "End Times" must indeed be here.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Arkie
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 11:12 AM

Change obviously means different things to different folks. Obama's agenda is different than what we have seen. The past administration took office with the idea they would force their agenda on the rest of the country and that agenda was to invade Iraq, relax environmental laws, remove controls over business, and open the American treasury to the wealthy elite and big business. Obama's agenda, as far as we have seen, is to clean up the economic mess, provide some health care relief for private citzens and business, to restore the rest of the world's eroding respect of this country, and to restore hope in this country in its own future. To do this he has appointed advisers, not on the basis of blind partisanship and agreement, but who represent a diverse cross section of ideology and also have experience in their respective areas.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 11:17 AM

Lor' bless the Rig- it appears that he is able to see past his prejudices. Unlike some others- I can't imagine how anyone can complain so bitterly about the conditions that we have around us today - and blame it on Obama.

I would like these same 'gentlemen' to go on record to say with a straight face:

#1: We are in great shape.
#2: Therefore, if anything goes wrong, it will be because the Obama Administration screwed it up.

Let me say, for the record, that in my opinion most of our current problems stem from the shortsighted, benighted efforts of President George W. Bush, who, with like mind, surrounded himself with staff and cabinet who wanted a chance to put their own 'aggressive, disruptive and apocalyptic' notions in action; they had almost literally no idea of what would happen next.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 12:37 PM

You're right about Bush, Ebbie. Maybe I just got acclimatized to that mode of thinking. I was expecting a bunch of Jesse Jackson/Rev. Wright type of appointments.
             I'm very pleasantly surprised, and encouraged.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 01:11 PM

:)


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 01:38 PM

I do hope Obama finds an appropriate position for Colin Powell. I suppose Ambassador to the United Nations is still available.

I also wonder who he's gonna pick for Secretary of Energy and Secretary of Transportation.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 01:48 PM

I suspect he will choose people competent for the work, but more important is that he will steer that work with the brand of considered, measured, balanced optimism and rational progress that define his candidacy.

I have a lot of hope for his Administration, but I am also aware that they are not inheriting a whole country from their predecessors, but a broken and gasping one, despite its many great strengths. THis is not going to be an easy job. I hope to see a lot of reach being made to fire up those who supported him in waves of enthusiasm during the campaign.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 04:22 PM

"bunch of Jesse Jackson/ Rev. Wright appointments."

1) Huge difference between just those two.

2) Obama said he would strive to have a post-racial, post-partisan administration.

I suppose the shock is in finding out that he appears to be a politician who intends to follow through on a campaign approach.

It just proves, yet again, that he is a very smart guy.   With the votes of Lieberman, who is now indebted to Obama for saving him from the wolves of the Left, and the votes of a few moderate Republicans, (e.g. Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins), he will have enough votes--on some issues, not all--to beat a planned filibuster. It's not the supposed 60 Senate votes for a filibuster-proof majority--which never would have been enough anyway, with some conservative Democrats in that 60--but enough for an issue by issue possibility of beating a filibuster. Key will be just how conservative those conservative Democrats (e.g. Tester) will be.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 06:04 PM

A politician following through on a campaign promise is so rare, I can't recall the last time I've seen it materialize.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 08 - 05:57 AM

Hi Martin.....If it is Martin....There's turnin' out to be more wriggling on this thread than there was on the "Anti-abortion priest" thread..... and that's sure sayin' sumphin'.....Ake


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 23 Nov 08 - 01:21 PM

IT sounds like the original; typically filtering blind anger through an acid tongue. How flattering he remembered me.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 12:28 AM

So, how do you "catters" react to Obama asking Secretary Gates (Secretary of Defense) to stay on board for another year or so?

DougR


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 03:47 AM

I dunno, DougR. Seems to me the SECDEF takes orders from the Prez, no? I don't think Gates has been part of the problem to any great degree.   

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 06:59 AM

I was as surprised that Gates agreed to do it, as I was that Obama asked. Obviously they both think there needs to be some continuity in that cabinet post.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 09:49 AM

Actually there are some taxes he may raise. Capital gains taxes, levied on profits made from investment in other people's work, might go up--they are presently lower than the income taxes paid by those who do the work. High-income (>250,000/yr) income taxes may also go up.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 12:02 PM

Right, Amos, an increase in Capital gains taxes should encourage those same folks to continue making those investments do you think?

So far, there doesn't seem to be much change attached to the Obama agenda.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 02:06 PM

Capital gains add to revenue for the individual or corporation. The rationale for treating it as special-class income seems obscure, especially when considering how much less effort is often involved in acquiring it. The difference, of course, is the taking of risk, in theory. But it is arguable that it should be treated in the same manner as oridnary income from any source.

As for the difference between Obama's administration and the last eight years, why not suspend judgement for the next 160 days?




A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 02:12 PM

We could have done without Paul Volker!


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 02:31 PM

POssibly. I find it difficult to second-guess the situation as I have no qualifications on the ground.
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A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 03:35 PM

The way I remember is, Paul Volker sat on interest rates until he ran Jimmy Carter out of office, and then Reagan kept him on to make certain things got even worse.

                Paul Krugman used to like to point this out, as I remember.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 03:56 PM

Word on the street is that Powell will become Secretary of Education...

As fir capital gains taxes being raised??? Why not, Dougie... We haven't seen folks doing anyhting with the money but either lending it buying more stuff they don't need... I haven't seen where they are using the dough to create new jobs so that argument you can throw out the window...

As to Wall Street v. Main Street... Yeah, I'd have to say that I am more than a little concerned about many of Obama's picks because of their ties to Wall Street but I guess he is thinkin' that seein' as they have those close ties then maybe if he keeps a sharp eye on them that given the mess that we have now that they will be the best players to sell Wall Street on a new culure of thinking... But I will admit that, while it is bold, it is also risky...

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 05:39 PM

Amos: your lack of experience has rarely prevented you from second-guessing in the past has it?

Bobert: Increase the taxes on Capital gains and watch the stock market plummet. Also watch how much money businesses spend on new equipment and infrastructure. It's a recipe for financial disaster.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 05:41 PM

Oh, and another thing, I think Obama's appointing Paul Volker as his chief financial adviser, or whatever, may be the smartest appointment he has made yet. Volker and Reagan saved the economy from ruin in the 80's.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 05:52 PM

Volker and Reagan saved the economy from ruin in the 80's.

And thru their shenanigans- aptly styled "Voodoo Ecomnomiocs" by George Bush the First, laid the groundwork for & produced the collapse of the economy in 2008.

Great work, guys.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 05:54 PM

First of all, Dougie... Like what has the stock market been doing??? And that is with Capital Gains at 15%... Secondly, I don't care about the stock market any more... It has become a joke... Its a bunch of rich people (and a few poor folks who thought that 401K was the Bible) who are too lazy to go out and invest in and manage businesses that create jobs... Like...

...boring!!!

No, if the Fat Cats ain't intersted in investing I don't care if the stock market looses a million points... No, make that a zillion points... Close the sumabich down until investors refigurate that if we ain't ptoducing decent paying jobs fir folks then it is a failed system and of rht elast 8 years its been all about profit taking and not about jobs... Screw 'um... Put a "Out of Business" sign out front... Put the crooks in jail... If they won't invest in jobs then maybe a socialistic system is better for the amsses... This system, clearly, has failed miserably... So don't feed the sumabich... Let ***it*** starve.... It is the beast... Not the governemnt!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 07:29 PM

watch the stock market plummet

So "no change" there as well?
....................

Obama's supposed to have been echoing Lincoln when it comes to making apppointments, but I think he's also got in mind LBJ's famous quote about Herbert Hoover "Better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in." (Or "her".)


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 07:45 PM

LOL, McGee, and happy birthday, to boot...


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 07:51 PM

"'And thru their shenanigans- aptly styled "Voodoo Ecomnomiocs" by George Bush the First, laid the groundwork for & produced the collapse of the economy in 2008.    Great work, guys.'"


                Exactly, Greg! That's exactly the way it played out. Anybody who can't see that now simply isn't paying attention. What the country needs now is somebody like Paul Krugman. He's been predicting this for over 25 years.
                The other people Obama picked are pretty straight thinkers, though, as far as I know. Maybe they just needed Volcker for some kind of a sounding-board.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 07:59 PM

I agree, Rogs... Paul Krugman would be my choice, too... I reckon that Obama is gonna try the ol' Trojan Horse play??? I donno if it will work but it is ballsy...

Robert Reich would also tickle my fancy at Treasury...

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 09:30 PM

Well, I think his treasury pick was fine, but if he's looking for additional input, I would be surprised--given the choices he's already made--if he didn't consult Krugman. It seems to me like Krugman has been virtually proven to have been right all along.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 10:04 PM

I've done a lot of things, DougR. From them, I form the basis of opinion for most of the things I second-guess. But high-level finance is not among them, and I believe if you go back and read every one of my posts, which I urge you to do, you will be unable to find any, or a very very few, that try to guess the workings of the macro economy.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 04:36 AM

Same ol' same ol'


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 12:08 PM

Bobert:Your remarks about the stock market are insane. But then, what the hey.

Kevin:As you well know, the stock market fluctuates up and down. No one was spilling tears in their beer when it was at 14,000. And it will be there again.

GregF:I don't know where you were in the 1980's but it sure wasn't earth.

Bobert/Riginslinger: If you long to live in a country where economists like Paul Krugman are plentiful, may I recommend Russia. Their economy is super, right?

DougR


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 12:46 PM

DougR:

Krugman in Russia? What on earth do you mean?

So you believe Reagonomics worked?

I am sorry to hear it.

Good luck with that belief.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 01:35 PM

Hey, ya'll... You'll love this...

My brother is a life long Republican... He, like Dougie, believes that Dems are commies but like he called this morning to wish me a happy thnaksfiving and went out of his way to say, while he ceratinly didn't vote for Obama, that he is impressed with the way Obama has been putting together his team???

What next??? Dougie sayin' he thinks Obama is doing a good job??? I don't believe I could take that... Prolly put the ol' hillbilly right in the wacko ward... 'Er worse...

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 02:13 PM

First rate people generally hire first rate people. Second rate people hire third rate people.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 02:46 PM

"while he ceratinly didn't vote for Obama, he is impressed with the way Obama has been putting together his team???"
Well he would be wouldn't he? being a right wing Republican!

Come on Bobby ole pal....The big O's rollin' over......Ake


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 02:55 PM

Ake, you are way off the beam on this call, I am quite sure.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 03:26 PM

Arguing about who's going to win the presidential race made sense, as did arguing about who should win. But arguing about how the winner is going to perform in a job he doesn't even have for nearly two more months seems a bit premature.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 03:43 PM

Part of "his job" McGrath, is forming a new administration. So it can be argued that he has already started "his job".
Now if we were to elect a nice socialist Prime minister on an agenda of CHANGE and he started filling his cabinet with old time centre right manipulators and ambitious warrior princesses, wouldn't you smell the fish?


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 03:58 PM

Well, yeah, Ake, he does appear to be rollin' over... That scares me a little but I'm hopin' that Obama thinks that he can change alll these folks minds before they change his... I know it's a crap shoot... But it beats the heck outta what McCain and Palin would be doing now had they been elected...

But, yeah, I am concerned... There are a lot of other folks I would rather have seen chosen... Robert Reich at Treasury, for one... Dennis Kucinich at State woul;d have been a nice fit... But doesn't look as if there is a true "liberal" in the bunch so far...

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 04:21 PM

Bob...if Mr O had chosen Kuninich for State I would have swum over there and kissed his "black" ass!!:0)


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 07:21 PM

The relevant thing will be what the people appointed actually do. The people appointed are in one sense tools, and we still have to find out how the man makes use of those tools.

Scepticism is a reasonable position to take in pretty well all political contexts, but it shouldn't be allowed to slide over into cynicism. By cynicism I mean when we find ourselves wanting to have our scepticism confirmed rather than hoping that it'll turn out that we were wrong.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 07:36 PM

I am still a believer that Obama will use the tools correctly, McGee, but still kinda wonderin' why he chose a pair of channel-locks when the 18" pipr wrench would have been my tool of choice... I hope these folks will be motivated to do things that they haven't done in the past...

Like I say, it's a crap shoot and Obama is holdin' the dice...

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 07:54 PM

Yesterday Obama as asked about this very thing- with all these old familiar faces, where's this change he spoke of in the campaign?

He said, Change comes from the top. It is up to me to direct the change.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 08:00 PM

One thing is Obama is in a very strong position to motivate people "to do things that they haven't done in the past" if he really wants to.

And in a good position to give the order of the boot to them if they don't comply and don't perform, which might be a very effective way to get the message across to the others...


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 08:57 PM

He made no commitment to choose "nice" people or those that one or another group approved of. He's instinctively looking for the best balance of world experience and bright, well-intended minds.

What some sourpuss in some far corner of elsewhere thinks about his choices makes little difference in the record of what he accomplishes or fails to accomplish. Nattering about the cast of characters is relatively absurd considering we haven't seen the first scene of the first act yet.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 04:44 AM

Leopards don't change their spots!!


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 02:59 PM

That doesn't leave much hope for you, huh! :)


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 03:54 PM

I love my "spots" Ebbie.........:0)


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 04:06 PM

I see- in denial too. :)


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 04:24 PM

:0)XXXX


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 05:35 PM

Yeah, Ake... Don't go pokin' at Eb... She is sweet as can be but can put ya' in yer place in short order when you mess up...

As fir Obama, hey, I guess it's gonna be qwait an' see as to his courage to stand up to the Washington insiders with which he has surrounded himself... I'm not too sure which one is the most dangerous but Hillary comes to mind as a finalist in that category...
I mean, he is puttin' a lot of trust in her that she and Billary don't roll him under the bus, which I think they could do...

Heck, I trust Robert Gates more than I trust Hill 'n Bill...

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 07:03 PM

I think he is trusting his own instinctive talent for log-rolling when that comnes.

Meanwhile, they are handy with the hobnails when intelligently applied.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 07:06 PM

There's a big difference between "calks" and "hobnails."


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 03:45 PM

"Five good things Obama said today

By Barb Shelly, Kansas City Star editorial page columnist

Barack Obama pushed some really important buttons today in his remarks as he introduced the nominees for his security team.

What I most appreciated:

1)"I will be giving Secretary (Robert) Gates and our military a new mission as soon as I take office: responsibly ending the war in Iraq through a successful transition to Iraqi control."

Supporters of the current strategy will say that's the current mission. But Obama is putting some urgency behind it. He went on to say that a new focus will be placed on a strategy and resources to succeed in Afghanistan.

2)"Let me be clear: the Attorney General serves the American people. And I have every expectation that Eric (Holder) will protect our people, uphold the public trust, and adhere to our Constitution."

This is a pointed departure from the mindset that got Alberto Gonzales run out of the attorney general's post in George W. Bush's second term. Gonzales never made the transition from being a political operative to a guardians of the Constitution and the rights of U.S. citizens.

3)"She (Janet Napolitano, the Homeland Security secretary nominee) insists on competence and accountability."

There's a concept. It sounds like a rebuke of the good-old-boy hiring that led to the disastrous response to Hurricane Katrina.

4)"America must also be strong at home to be strong abroad. We need to provide education and opportunity for our citizens, so every American can compete with anyone, anywhere."

Education at the K-12 level is primarily a state responsibility. But Obama talks about it often, raising hopes that he'll use his stature to take on the culture of failure that hangs over too many school districts, schools and students.

5)"My dear friend, Hillary Clinton."

What a different a few months make."


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 04:19 PM

Being black doesn't necessarily make you a good or trustworthy person, you goons see a change of colour equating to a change of political direction......just imagine the liberal euphoria if Mr Obama was "gay" as well as "black".........welcome to X Factor politics folks!!

I still think you can judge a man by the company he keeps and Mr Obama's company....or administration, will ensure no pesky change anytime soon.

I know you're partial to words Amos.....so how would you like 'em...fried or boiled?


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 06:44 PM

Well, looks as if Obama has been studying both Lincoln and FDR and using their successes as a roadmap... I've never been to wild about Lincoln and, let's get real, it was WW II that really broke "The Depression" so I don't know... I think both did good things and bad things and it really boils down to a crap shoot...

I do know that Obama is both blessed to be elected in such a screwed up times and cursed...

And, yes, I do have alot of concerns about the folks he has chosen... Not one pregressive in the bunch... Not one!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 06:53 PM

Ake:

Exactly which words of mine are you proposing I will have to eat, hey?

Let the man roll and we'll see whether he makes things better or not.



A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 07:27 PM

Yes, he does seem to be following FDR's example...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/28/AR2008112802370.html


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 07:44 PM

Kinda scares me, bb, seein' as it took a World War to break the US outta "The Depression"... Man, I'm hopion' this redession is more like the one in the 80's than the one in the 30's 'er you may be right about Obama havin' to use yet another war to get the economy on track...

"All we need is another good war" (Bob Martin)

B~


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 08:10 PM

BB: Will's perspective is interesting, but I am not persuaded it is thorough. While it is possibly true FDR over compensated in the support of labor, it should be remembered he was also doing so after some egregious abuses on the part of corporate leaders, and manic exuberance on the part of financiers leading to the collapse.

He is also very much apparently ignoring the role of technology as the productivity-multiplier it is.

We do not need another good war; the reason the war was a blessing in the Depression is that it provided a hungry market which our labor force was able to fill. It was a no-brainer. Thinking through how to do the same kind of trick with peace-time demands and marketing is a much harder, and much more humane task.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:52 PM

MARION, Ala. (AP) — In central Alabama's Perry County, government workers already get a day off for President's Day, Martin Luther King Day, and Veterans Day. In 2009, they'll get one more: "Barack Obama Day."

The rural county, which overwhelmingly supported Obama in last month's presidential election, has approved the second Monday in November as "The Barack Obama Day." Commissioners passed a measure that would close county offices for the new annual holiday and its roughly 40 workers will get a paid day off.

Sponsoring commissioner Albert Turner Jr. said the holiday is meant to highlight the Democratic president-elect's victory as a way to give people faith that difficult goals can be achieved.

Perry County has 12,000 residents, most of them black. Voters there backed Obama by over 70 percent in a state that gave 60 percent of the overall vote to Republican John McCain based largely on strong support from white voters.

At the state level, Alabama observes the standard federal holidays as well as a handful of its own that include Confederate Memorial Day in April and the June birthday of Confederate President Jefferson Davis. It observes Martin Luther King's birthday in January but the holiday is twinned with commemoration of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee on the same day.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 06:09 PM

Wow! That's got to be classic; Martin Luther King/Robert E. Lee Day. I wonder if they argue over which name gets top billing.


            As far as FDR making The Great Depression worse, it would seem to make sense to remember that the country had just spent three-and-a-half years waiting for things to get better under Hoover, and nothing happened.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 08:17 PM

Rig-

"But people whose recipe for recovery today is another New Deal should remember that America's biggest industrial collapse occurred in 1937, eight years after the 1929 stock market crash and nearly five years into the New Deal. In 1939, after a decade of frantic federal spending -- President Herbert Hoover increased it more than 50 percent between 1929 and the inauguration of Franklin Roosevelt -- unemployment was 17.2 percent.

"I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started," lamented Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Treasury secretary. Unemployment declined when America began selling materials to nations engaged in a war America would soon join.


In "The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression," Amity Shlaes of the Council on Foreign Relations and Bloomberg News argues that government policies, beyond the Federal Reserve's tight money, deepened and prolonged the Depression. The policies included encouraging strong unions and higher wages than lagging productivity justified, on the theory that workers' spending would be stimulative. Instead, corporate profits -- prerequisites for job-creating investments -- were excessively drained into labor expenses that left many workers priced out of the market. "


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 08:44 PM

It's my understanding--only from watching pundits on television; no formal research--that the deepening of the depression in 1937 was the result of FDR finally realizing that he couldn't continue to run deficits forever, and tried to balance the budget. I suspect this was through increased taxes, and not cuts in spending.

                   If that's the case, and that this is also the situation in which we find ourselves now, it doesn't seem like there is any actual way out of this, short of another world war.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 09:25 PM

I learned about lunchtime today that the Obama administration was giving up the idea of a windfall profits tax on the oil companies. This was the right thing to do as there are no 'windfall' profits to tax and the idea was tantamount to class warfare. I hoped Obama was too smart to fall for this and apparently he is (too smart to fall for this).


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 09:51 PM

"If that's the case, and that this is also the situation in which we find ourselves now, it doesn't seem like there is any actual way out of this, short of another world war. "


As I said- WMD used by two sides by July, 09... 30% chance.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 10:09 PM

Wonderful!


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 10:11 PM

Prediction:

On January 21 or 22, the Obama Administration will unroll an economic plan that will gain traction over the following 12 months and reverse the trend of the present decline gradually but certainly.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 02:25 AM

Amos, your record as a prognostigator is much better than da otter guy's.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:10 AM

Sources please?


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:51 AM

That's mine, Ake. I trust that is an acceptable source.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 10:03 AM

I am amazed a wild-eyed Guesty posty was let stand.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 05:08 PM

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/12/10/hillary_mumbai/


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 11 Dec 08 - 03:17 PM

Last update - 11:50 08/12/2008   


Iran rejects Barack Obama's 'failed' carrot and stick policy

By News Agencies

Iran rejected on Monday a suggestion by U.S. President-elect Barack Obama that a carrot and stick policy of economic incentives and additional sanctions might persuade the Iranian government to halt its nuclear program.

Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Hasan Qashqavi, said Monday that Obama's proposed policy was unacceptable and had failed in the past.

U.S. President-elect Barack Obama said on Sunday he was prepared to offer Iran economic incentives to stop its nuclear program, which Washington says is aimed at making bombs. But he warned that sanctions could be toughened if it refused.
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"When they stick to their past view regarding suspending uranium enrichment, our answer will be: Iran will never suspend uranium enrichment," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi told reporters.

Washington, which cut ties with Tehran after the 1979 revolution that ousted the U.S.-backed shah, has been pushing hard to isolate Iran over its nuclear plans.

Iran, the world's fourth largest oil producer, insists it wants to master nuclear technology to generate electricity so it can save more of its oil and gas reserves for exports.

Enrichment is the part of Iran's program that most worries the West because, if uranium is enriched much more, it can make warhead material as well as being used to make fuel for power plants.

"If their [Washington's] new stance is to remove concerns about Iran's nuclear activities, we are ready for that. But our new expectation is ... that they should recognize our right to nuclear technology," Qashqavi said.

"The old policy was carrot and stick. This needs to change and transform into an interactive policy," he said.

During a presidential debate with Republican rival John McCain in October, Obama said his administration would work to restrict gasoline imports to Iran, which cannot make enough refined fuel to meet all domestic needs and has to import some.

Speaking on Sunday, Obama told a U.S. broadcaster: "We are willing to talk to them directly and give them a clear choice and ultimately let them make a determination in terms of whether they want to do this the hard way or the easy way."

Obama takes office on Jan. 20.

"When they talk about change, everyone expects a changed policy to entail something very different to what President [George W.] Bush was following," Qashqavi said, adding everyone should "wait and see" what approach Obama would take in office.

Iran said last week it did not believe U.S. policy would change under Obama. Its refusal to stop enrichment, has drawn three rounds of U.N. sanctions since 2006, as well as separate U.S. measures.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 08 - 04:40 PM

Obama enjoys strong public support as president-elect
Nearly three-quarters of Americans polled are pleased with his election, even as many express doubts about how much he can accomplish in office.

By Mark Z. Barabak
December 10, 2008

Barack Obama approaches the White House with a deep well of public support, even though many doubt the president-elect can fulfill some key promises, according to a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll.

Less than six weeks before Obama's history-making ascent to the Oval Office, the country is torn between hope for the future and concern about the present. Nine in 10 of those surveyed say the economy is in poor shape, with a substantial majority believing things are very bad. That finding matches the assessment in an October poll, which was the gloomiest since a Times survey taken during the 1991 recession.

There are, however, signs of budding optimism.

Although nearly two-thirds of those surveyed believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, the figure represents an improvement from October, when 84% said the country was on the wrong track. Nearly three-quarters of those surveyed feel positive about Obama's election as president, a figure that includes not just an overwhelming majority of his fellow Democrats but a substantial majority of independents and nearly a third of Republicans.

Overall, nearly 8 in 10 approve of the way Obama has handled his transition to the White House and nearly three-quarters approve of his Cabinet picks. Strong majorities endorsed two of Obama's most prominent choices: Democratic New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of State and Republican Robert M. Gates, a holdover from the Bush administration, as secretary of Defense.


"I think he's intelligent and competent, and he's picking intelligent, competent people," said Ronald Griffey, 74, a retired meteorologist and political independent who lives in suburban Dallas.
..."

LA Times


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 03:21 PM

Does Obama Want to Ground NASA's Next Moon Mission?
By Jeffrey Kluger Thursday, Dec. 11,

Getting into a shouting match with the HR rep is not exactly the best way to land a job. But according to the Orlando Sentinel, that's just what happened last week between NASA administrator Mike Griffin and Lori Garver, a member of Barack Obama's transition team who will help decide if Griffin keeps his post once the President-elect takes office. If the contretemps did occur, it could help doom not only the NASA chief's chances, but the space agency's ambitious plans to get Americans back to the moon.

The mere fact that the story is making the rounds reflects the very real friction between NASA and the transition team — which has sparked a groundswell of support among space agency employees to keep the boss. Within NASA, there is a real concern that while the Obama campaign rode the call for change to a thumping victory in November, change is precisely what the space agency does not need. (See photos of different countries' space programs here.)

The stagnant NASA of the past 20 years has been poised to become a very new NASA — thanks, in many respects, to the outgoing Bush Administration. In 2004, the President announced a new push to return astronauts to the moon and eventually get them to Mars. Many skeptics saw the hand of political whiz Karl Rove in that, suspecting that the whole idea was just a bag of election year goodies for space-happy states like Florida and Texas, as well as for voters nostalgic for the glory days of Apollo. But Bush, NASA and Congress did mean business, and eventually came up with a plan under which the space station would be completed and the shuttle would be retired by 2010. That would free up about $4 billion per year, which would be used to pay for a new generation of expendable boosters as well as a 21st century version of the Apollo orbiter and lunar lander for those rockets to carry. (Read about the space moon race here.)

"At the time, the shuttle had flown 290 people, and out of those 14 were dead — nearly one in 20," says Scott Horowitz, a four-time shuttle veteran who designed the Ares 1, one of the new boosters. "We needed something that was an order of magnitude safer."

NASA has moved with uncharacteristic nimbleness in the last five years and is already cutting metal on the new machines in the hope of having crews in Earth orbit by 2015 and on the moon by 2020. Schedules have slipped some — the original plan was to launch the orbital missions in 2014 — and costs have swollen, though so far not dramatically. (See the Top 50 space moments since Sputnik.)

"We've been moving in the right direction since the Columbia accident [in 2003]," says Chris Shank, NASA's chief of strategic communications. "The concern is that we'll lose that." Lately, that concern appears well-placed.

The Obama team picked Garver to run the NASA transition, in part because of her deep pedigree and long history at the space agency, which saw her climb to the rank of associate administrator. But Garver started as a PAO — NASA-speak for a public affairs officer — and never got involved in the nuts and bolts of building rockets. She is best known by most people as the person who in 2002 competed with boy-band singer Lance Bass for the chance to fly to the International Space Station aboard a Russian rocket. Neither of them ever left the ground.

Garver's lack of engineering cred is especially surprising in light of the eggheads with whom Obama has been surrounding himself — most recently, Nobel prize winning physicist Steven Chu, who has reportedly been tapped to be Secretary of Energy. Garver is also not thought to be much of a fan of Griffin — who is an engineer — nor to be sold on the plans for the new moon program. What she and others are said to be considering is to scrap the plans for the Ares 1 — which is designed exclusively to carry humans — and replace it with Atlas V and Delta IV boosters, which are currently used to launch satellites but could be redesigned, or "requalified," for humans. Griffin hates that idea, and firmly believes the Atlas and Delta are unsafe for people. One well-placed NASA source who asked not to be named reports that as much as Griffin wants to keep his job, he'll walk away from it if he's made to put his astronauts on top of those rockets.

NASA is right to be uneasy about just what Obama has planned for the agency since his position on space travel shifted — a lot — during the campaign. A year before the election he touted an $18 billion education program and explicitly targeted the new moon program as one he'd cut to pay for it. In January of 2008, he lined up much closer to the Bush moon plan — perhaps because Republicans were already on board and earning swing-state support as a result. Three months before the election, Obama fully endorsed the 2020 target for putting people on the moon. But that was a candidate talking and now he's president-elect, and his choice of Garver as his transition adviser may say more than his past campaign rhetoric.

The dust-up between Griffin and Garver is said to have occurred last week at a book launch party in Washington when, according to the Sentinel, a red-faced Griffin told Garver she was "not qualified" to make engineering decisions. Horowitz, who was not at the party but knows the NASA boss well, says he doubts that Griffin raised his voice.

"I think that's bulls---," he says. "I believe that anything he was asked he was very honest in answering because he's a systems engineer. And Lori Garver is not equipped to make technical judgments on the architecture of a space exploration system." The unnamed NASA source concedes that Griffin can be brutally honest and occasionally tactless, but insists that his shouting is simply improbable. The Obama transition office did not return an e-mail seeking comment from Garver.

For now, says the NASA source, both present and former astronauts as well as some NASA contractors are quietly — and sometimes not so quietly — lobbying for Griffin to stay. But the incoming administration is not saying anything so far. It was President John F. Kennedy who famously committed Americans to reaching the moon. Now it is Obama — who so often invokes the themes and style of JFK — who may decide if we go back.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 06:39 PM

It will be interesting to see whether his dedication to science or his efforts to straighten out the deficit overrule. It is debatable whether going back to the Moon would be a highly meaningful stage, but if it meant the beginnings of a Moon station it would be wonderful indeed.



A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 11:27 PM

I've seen no evidence that Obama has any dedication to science. On the other hand, straightening out the deficit has become laughable.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 11:31 PM

You still haven't read his platform OR his books, have you, Rig? How do you form any opinion without at least looking into these things? Here's a page on the AAAS web site for starters.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 02:54 PM

Well, I'm probably never going to read his books.

          I guess I was working off the direction of his own education. Unlike Carter's, his was not science.

          However, his cabinet selections have given me some encouragement to pay attention to what he says, which is more that I will do for most politicians.

          Before Reagan I wasn't so cynical.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 05:45 PM

US official: Russians intend to test Obama on arms

Dec 17 03:35 PM US/Eastern
By ROBERT BURNS
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Russian government is likely to "test the mettle" of Barack Obama and his administration by taking a tougher stance against U.S. missile defenses, a senior State Department official said Wednesday.
John Rood, the department's top arms control official, told reporters he believes the Russians are waiting to size up the Obama administration before Moscow advances its position on disputed arms issues.

In discussing the state of Russian opposition to U.S. missile defense bases in Poland and the Czech Republic, Rood said it appears that Moscow has "paused" in anticipation of a new national security approach in Washington.

"My assessment is that the Russians intend to test the mettle of the new administration and the new president," he said. "The future will show how the new administration chooses to answer that challenge."

Asked to elaborate, he said, "I think missile defense and other subjects will be among those that the Russians intend to determine what the new administration's posture will be." He said he reached this conclusion on the basis of an impression gained during talks in Moscow on Monday rather than from explicit Russian statements.

He also said the Russians have been less flexible lately in talks on missile defense. In particular he cited their stance on U.S. proposals to give the Russians more assurance that a missile interceptor site in Poland and a missile-tracking radar in the Czech Republic would pose no security threat to Russia.

The U.S., with the support of the Polish and Czech governments, has proposed that Russian officials be given regular access to the interceptor and radar sites and that they be allowed to monitor activity at both sites through undisclosed technical means. Rood did not elaborate on the details in dispute.

"I don't want to spell out all the details because I think this is a high-priority dialogue for us in the United States, and I don't think that putting all the details out will facilitate a resolution to it," he said.

Rood led a U.S. government delegation in talks with senior Russian officials on a range of subjects, including efforts by both governments to negotiate a treaty to replace the 1991 START nuclear arms deal, which expires in December 2009. Rood said the talks were useful but did not achieve any breakthroughs.

In Moscow on Tuesday, Russian news agencies quoted Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov as saying Moscow hopes the Obama administration will agree that the weapons limitations under START "should be preserved and strengthened, rather than weakened."

Rood said the Russians want to expand the scope of a follow-on to the START treaty to include limitations on non-nuclear strategic weapons such as long-range conventional bombers and possibly submarines. The Bush administration has resisted that, saying the restrictions should be on nuclear warheads only.

The missile defense issue has been one of the most divisive over the past few years. The Bush administration has argued that extending its U.S.-based defense system to Europe is important in defending Europe and the United States from a possible long-range missile strike from Iran, while the Russians dispute the immediacy of an Iranian threat and worry about U.S. military expansion near Russian borders.

On Nov. 5, the day after Obama's election, President Dmitry Medvedev warned that Russia would move short-range missiles to NATO's borders to "neutralize" any U.S. missile defense system in Eastern Europe if necessary.

Medvedev has since backed off slightly. He stressed on Nov. 15 that Russia would not act unless the United States took the first step and expressed hope that the new U.S. administration will be open to negotiations.

Obama has not been explicit, at least in public, about whether he would proceed with the missile defense plan in Poland and the Czech Republic. More broadly he has said he supports missile defense but wants to ensure that it is proven to be a reliable system that does not detract from other security priorities.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 06:59 AM

Frankly, it always looked to me like the Bush Administration was only going ahead with this in order to piss off the Russians. It didn't make sense not to try to accommodate the Russians in the first place, to my way of thinking.

          Obama's pick for Secretary of Education looks like another winner. I continue to be impressed.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 09:25 AM

"Mr. Obama should consider proposals from groups like Human Rights Watch and the Brennan Center for Justice to appoint an independent panel to look into these and other egregious violations of the law. Like the 9/11 commission, it would examine in depth the decisions on prisoner treatment, as well as warrantless wiretapping, that eroded the rule of law and violated Americans' most basic rights. Unless the nation and its leaders know precisely what went wrong in the last seven years, it will be impossible to fix it and make sure those terrible mistakes are not repeated.

We expect Mr. Obama to keep the promise he made over and over in the campaign — to cheering crowds at campaign rallies and in other places, including our office in New York. He said one of his first acts as president would be to order a review of all of Mr. Bush's executive orders and reverse those that eroded civil liberties and the rule of law.

That job will fall to Eric Holder, a veteran prosecutor who has been chosen as attorney general, and Gregory Craig, a lawyer with extensive national security experience who has been selected as Mr. Obama's White House counsel.

A good place for them to start would be to reverse Mr. Bush's disastrous order of Feb. 7, 2002, declaring that the United States was no longer legally committed to comply with the Geneva Conventions.

..." NYT


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 11:22 AM

Hopefully Obam will pay little attention to the New York Times, and will get about the business of dealing with the most important problems facing the country.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 11:54 AM

I think it would be quite healthy for a panel to start digging for truth in the mangled immoral prevarications of the Bush years.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 01:21 PM

While it wouldn't hurt to have somebody look into some of the Bush problems, I think Obama is right when he says he needs to look forward if he's going to correct the problems facing the nation now. I don't think it would be time well spent to have Congress form a committee to do the probing, however.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 01:51 PM

He could appoint a panel in an hour, who could dig for months in relative obscurity, and take up little Executive time, well worth it if compared to the possible benefits to the national psyche.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 03:15 PM

Obama defends choice of evangelical pastor

Dec 18 02:00 PM US/Eastern
WASHINGTON (AP) - President-elect Barack Obama on Thursday defended his choice of a popular evangelical minister to deliver the invocation at his inauguration, rejecting criticism that it slights gays.
The selection of Pastor Rick Warren brought objections from gay rights advocates, who strongly supported Obama during the election campaign. The advocates are angry over Warren's backing of a California ballot initiative banning gay marriage. That measure was approved by voters last month.

But Obama told reporters in Chicago that America needs to "come together," even when there's disagreement on social issues. "That dialogue is part of what my campaign is all about," he said.

Obama also said he's known to be a "fierce advocate for equality" for gays and lesbians, and will remain so.

Warren, a best-selling author and leader of a Southern California megachurch, is one of a new breed of evangelicals who stress the need for action on social issues such as reducing poverty and protecting the environment, alongside traditional theological themes.

The Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay rights organization, said Warren's opposition to gay marriage is a sign of intolerance.

"We feel a deep level of disrespect when one of the architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination," the group said in a letter to Obama, asking him to reconsider.

Obama's selection of Warren is seen as a signal to religious conservatives that the president-elect will listen to their views. During the campaign, Warren interviewed Obama and Republican John McCain in a widely watched television program that focused on religious concerns.

Gay rights advocates say they are troubled that Obama would give Warren such a visible role at his swearing-in. "By inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration, you have tarnished the view that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have a place at your table," the letter said.

Obama, however, pointed out that a couple of years ago, he was invited to speak at Warren's church, despite their disagreements on a number of issues.

The president-elect said a "wide range of viewpoints" will be presented during the inaugural ceremonies.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 03:21 PM

PArt of the man's strength is he doesn't mind sitting in front of contradictory perspectives for a while in an effort to find some higher, common ground. ANd bear in mind that inviting someone to speak is not a legislative act, it is simply an honorary courtesy.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 03:24 PM

ANother "elevated" viewpoint on the inaugural speech shtick.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 03:45 PM

A good article. Amos. I do hope that you and many others here actually read it. I did.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 05:28 PM

I read it too!

I think it must be Christmas time again

I'd rather join Bruce , Doug, and Teribus in the shithouse than subscribe to such twaddle!


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 06:19 PM

"He could appoint a panel in an hour, who could dig for months in relative obscurity, and take up little Executive time..."


                   If he did it that way, I'm all for it. I don't object to looking into the Bush stuff. It's just down on the list of priorities right now.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 11:24 AM

"Obama's commitments

In the context of American values, Obama is both symbolically and substantively significant: He represents a gigantic step in this country's long attempt to narrow its racial divisions, and his political views offer the potential for progress on many fronts. He has pledged to restore basic American legal principles by closing the detention center at Guantanamo. The nation should hold him to his word. He has promised to reverse the Bush administration's devastatingenvironmental record and commit his government to addressing climate change. Now he must deliver. And, having opposed the war in Iraq, he vowed to end it. In our view, the sooner the better.

As a teacher of constitutional law, Obama is fluent in the language of American history and rights, as he amply demonstrated during the campaign. In just a few weeks, he will occupy an office in which he can do more than just embody or appreciate those values, but advance them. In building his administration and laying out its early goals, Obama has pledged to draw on conservatives as well as liberals, Republicans as well as Democrats. We commend him for it.

But Obama's commitment to governing with bipartisan support inevitably challenges the depth of his ideological convictions. To cite just one issue on which Obama could show resolve at the risk of offending some of his more conservative backers: A man whose own life is the result of an interracial union must end his dithering on same-sex marriage. It is all well and good to respect the views of those who do not accept such unions as the next step on our historic path toward true equality for all, but Obama must not be swayed by them. He owes it to gays and lesbians to abandon his hedged support of their civil rights and offer an unequivocal endorsement of gay marriage. He already has waited too long.

Meanwhile, circumstances have bestowed on Obama a far more difficult nation to govern than the one he set out to lead. In the space of just a few months, one venerable institution after another has teetered toward collapse. Banks, insurance companies, automakers -- all have fallen in rapid succession, prompting a staggering set of economic calculations by Washington. The costs of bailing out the economy have skyrocketed, to the point that the incoming Obama administration is seriously considering a stimulus package that could exceed $700 billion -- on top of what the Bush administration already has committed to that process. Without it, members of Obama's team say, the economy could shed 4 million jobs in the next two years; the current situation, by common and bipartisan agreement, is worse than any faced by this nation in half a century.

The road to recovery

The result has been a radical shift in the national debate over economic recovery, with deficit spending now accepted indefinitely and the stakes for social programs uncertain as cascading catastrophes defy the imagination.

Take one sobering example: A year ago, Obama campaigned on a healthcare plan to extend insurance to nearly all Americans; in the presidential debates and through the rest of the campaign, critics worried over its extravagant cost, estimated by some to be more than $60 billion. Just this month, Bernard Madoff was arrested on allegations that he ran a Ponzi scheme that bilked investors out of roughly $50 billion. That figure could well prove inflated, but it is shocking to imagine that one man is accused of squandering a sum large enough to represent a substantial down payment toward the repair of the country's inequitable healthcare system. Madoff's alleged scheme and its far-flung victims painfully remind us how the collapse of meaningful government regulation and enforcement has contributed to the perils of our economy.

Greed, arrogance, intolerance -- as much as we wish they were not a part of the American fabric, they are. And they have been much in evidence in recent months. They represent the prime challenge to Obama, just as the brighter virtues of our heritage provide him with a bulwark of principle. We are the nation that produced George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, Kennedy and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. But we also inhabit the land of George Wallace, Joe McCarthy, the robber barons, the John Birch Society and the Ku Klux Klan.

It is incumbent on our new president, then, to govern with humility but also with strength, to welcome others to his coalition but not to surrender his principles -- or to compromise the nation's -- for expediency or convenience. We have lived through eight grim, violent and disheartening years. Intellectual prowess has been ridiculed, achievement belittled and virtue sacrificed for gain. It's time to begin again.

With that hope, we end this entreaty as we did our series, bidding farewell to what has inhibited this nation's promise and offering a plea that our leaders restore its status as a leading light of liberty. As we said a year ago:

"One characteristic of the Bush administration has been its wearying appeal to the weak, to those who are threatened by energetic political expression and instead take refuge in the slow forfeit of their rights; to those too timid to trust that hateful speech is best rebutted by more speech, not by squelching dissent; to those so unnerved by terrorism that they would condone torture. We live in a nation that once had the confidence to defend the speech and association rights of American communists even as it fought their sponsors and supporters abroad. Yet that same nation now flinches at the threat posed by a high school student who displays a banner that reads, nonsensically, 'BONG HiTS 4 JESUS.'

"That is a depressing relinquishment of what has given the United States its place in history. We hope, with fervent optimism, for a president who will embrace our defining love of liberty and who will relish, not disdain, its many blessings." ..." LA Times Editorial 12-24-08


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 01:07 AM

Akenaton: It's been many, many, years since I had to relieve the growling in my bowels in a, as you call it, "shit house." To me, that means visiting my grandmother and grandfather on their farm where the only means for such relief was done in the "outhouse". After the dirty deed was did, the only clean-up available was a previous year's Sears & Roebuck catalog. Political writings were not included.

Anyway, Amos, you are betting very heavily on your Obama to bring about the changes you feel are necessary to correct all the ills of the world. I hope you are not disappointed.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 01:17 AM

Well, I am not expecting my highest hopes to be realized, but I will not be disappointed in solid improvement, which I expect.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 06:10 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/30/AR2008123002972.html?hpid=topnews


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 12:41 PM

From the link: "One of Rush's colleagues in the Congressional Black Caucus, Rep. Danny K. Davis (D-Ill.), told the Associated Press last night that he had been offered the appointment last week but that he turned it down because "I thought the environment had been poisoned."

Wise and moral man. The environment, of course, has been poisoned and no one knows it better than Blago. Chicago's Lieutenant Governor and the US Senate have both said they would not certify or seat anyone that the Governor names; Blago is doing nothing but trying to force the issue.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 07:51 AM

(CNN) -- An audio message reportedly from al Qaeda's deputy chief vows revenge for Israel's air and ground assault on Gaza and calls the Jewish state's actions against Hamas militants "a gift" from U.S. President-elect Barack Obama.

The speaker, identified as Ayman al-Zawahiri, addresses Muslims in Gaza. He said the violence "is one part of a series of a crusade war against Islam and these air strikes are a gift from Obama before he takes office, and (Egyptian President) Hosni Mubarak, that traitor, is the main partner in your siege and killing."

The message, posted Tuesday on various Islamist Web sites with a picture of al-Zawahiri next to an image of a wounded child, urges militants to rally against Israel.

"My Muslim brothers and mujahedeens in Gaza and all over Palestine, with the help of God we are with you in the battle, we will direct our strikes against the crusader Jewish coalition wherever we can."

The 10-minute message also address Muslims worldwide, claiming that Obama was portrayed as "the savior who will come and change American policy" during the U.S. election but is now "killing your brothers and sisters in Gaza without mercy or even pity."

Obama's transition team did not immediately respond to the message. Earlier Tuesday, the president-elect said he was "deeply concerned" about the loss of life in Gaza and Israel, and he promised to make the issue a top priority in his administration.

It was Obama's first public reaction to the ongoing fighting between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza, which began with Israeli air strikes 11 days ago. He reiterated that only one president can speak for the United States at a time.

"Starting at the beginning of our administration, we are going to engage effectively and consistently to try to resolve the conflicts that exist in the Middle East," Obama said.

CNN Senior International Correspondent Nic Robertson said the al Qaeda message speaks to al-Zawahiri's cause in two ways: It bashes the new U.S. president before he takes office and it criticizes Mubarak, who has drawn al-Zawahiri's ire for not allowing goods and aid through Egypt's border with Gaza.

Al-Zawahiri is a native of Egypt who has served jail time there.

Robertson, who is reporting from the Israeli-Gaza border, noted on CNN's "Situation Room" that al-Zawahiri got the message out quickly -- "within 12 days, that's very fast." He said that indicated "there's many issues there that are dear to him."


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 05:27 PM

Report: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza fight

By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI – 21 hours ago

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) — Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader lashed out at President-elect Barack Obama in a new audio message Tuesday, accusing him of not doing anything to stop Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip, according to an intelligence monitoring center.

The recording purportedly by Ayman al-Zawahiri was al-Qaida's first comments on the Gaza crisis since Israel launched its offensive against the Islamic militants of Hamas on Dec. 27.

In the comments, which were posted on a militant Web site and obtained by the SITE Monitoring Service, al-Zawahiri described Israel's actions in Gaza as a "crusade against Islam and Muslims" and called it "Obama's gift to Israel" before he takes office later this month.

"This is Obama whom the American machine of lies tried to portray as the rescuer who will change the policy of America," al-Zawahiri said, according to SITE. "He kills your brothers and sisters in Gaza mercilessly and without affection."...


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 05:37 PM

Al Qaeda Plays the Malcolm Card
By Salim Muwakkil

When media reports emerged that al Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, disparaged President-elect Barack Hussein Obama as a "house negro," it angered many in the black community. However, it also struck a chord.

Al Qaeda Plays the Malcolm Card
By Salim Muwakkil

When media reports emerged that al Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, disparaged President-elect Barack Hussein Obama as a "house negro," it angered many in the black community. However, it also struck a chord.

The Egyptian physician — who is reportedly Osama bin Laden's confidant — actually used the phrase "house slave," but it was later translated as "house negro."

Al-Zawahiri said, "You [Obama] represent the direct opposite of honorable black Americans like Malik al-Shabazz or Malcolm X," who "condemned the crimes of the Crusader West against the weak and oppressed, and he declared his support for peoples resisting American occupation."

The al Qaeda leader said Obama, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice "confirmed" Malcolm X's definition of a "house slave." He was referring to Malcolm X's distinction between slave-era "house Negroes," who lived comfortably in the big house abetting white supremacy, and "field negroes," who toiled in the fields under the whip, plotting resistance.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 05:45 PM

Gee whiz, Sawz! You promulgate hate speech from Al Queda?

That's pretty sp[iteful.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 07:57 PM

CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) - President-elect Barack Obama on Wednesday will
announce his selection for the role of "chief performance officer," a
newly created position that will work to scrub the federal budget and
reform government, a Democratic official told CNN.

The person will "help put us on a path to fiscal discipline," the
official said.


http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/>
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 09:46 PM

Al zawah whatever is an asshole and public enemy #2, nevertheless he has a view that will likely influence other views.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 06:56 AM

Gee whiz, Amos! You promulgate hate speech from NYT and other Bush-haters?

That's pretty spiteful, too.

bb


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 11:40 AM

Bruce:

Your continuous use of my posts as mockeries are always unwelcome, juvenile, unthinking and usually without merit. Especially since you have been told repeatedly that they are non-productive and puerile. IF you do not have the personal resources to write a complete sentence of your own, just refrain from posting.   

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 11:41 AM

Ex-Presidents Popular; But Dubya? Nyet
January 7, 2009
Want to be a popular President? Make sure you're emeritus and not the guy who actually has the job at the time.

A CNN/Opinion Research poll released today shows that the three ex-Presidents meeting with President Bush and President-elect Obama all have positive job approval ratings that tower over the incumbent commander-in-chief.

Some 64% of the poll's respondents approve of Jimmy Carter's performance as President; 60% say the same for George H.W. Bush, and Bill Clinton tops the charts at 69%.

The same CNN poll taken last month put the current President Bush's job approval rating at 27%. And Obama? His pre-presidential approval rating is a whopping 82%.

- Ken Bazinet


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 01:21 PM

He sure did a quick about-face on Burris.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 04:10 PM

Poland hopes Obama will back missile shield
Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:24am EST

WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland's Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said on Monday he hoped the administration of U.S. President-elect Barack Obama will press ahead with plans to install elements of a missile shield on Polish soil.

Warsaw agreed last August to station 10 ground missile interceptors as part of the global missile defense system Washington says will protect the United States and its allies from attacks by what it calls 'rogue states', notably Iran.

"I hope the new administration of President-elect Barack Obama, led by strategic security considerations, will continue the installation of missile defenses," Sikorski told a ceremony to commemorate the 90th anniversary of diplomatic relations between Washington and Warsaw.

Obama, who is to be sworn in as president on January 20, has said he wants to be sure any missile defense system has been proven to work before it is deployed.

The plan, which also envisages a radar facility in the Czech Republic, faces stiff opposition from Russia, Poland's Soviet-era overlord. Moscow regards the plan as a direct threat to its own security.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 07:32 AM

Jan. 14, 2009 | Dear Camille,

When Obama is reading off a teleprompter or in a scripted environment like a debate (where the game is to plug in your prepared sound bites regardless of the question), he comes across as a magnificent and inspiring speaker. But there were several times during the campaign where he appeared to trip all over himself when off script.

Now in his comments about the Blagojevich mess, he comes across badly and makes it look like we are in for another four (or eight) years of people having to carefully parse every word. Do you get that same impression to any extent, and if so, does it cause you concern?

Blake Krass
Pflugerville, Texas

Because my support for Obama was based on his steady, tempered performance in the debates rather than on his soaring but rather vague speeches, I have never been troubled by any gap between his mundane and rhetorical selves. The widespread notion that Obama is inarticulate came from stunt tapes broadcast on conservative talk radio where his occasional hesitations on the road were stitched together to make him sound like a stuttering Bugs Bunny.

Who wouldn't misspeak from fatigue on the long, brutal national campaign trail? Only candidates popping pep pills or relying on a Versailles-like staff of flunkies to feed them talking points and buzzwords. Considering what a relative newcomer he is, Obama endured that punishing trial by fire amazingly well. Since the election, he has also projected a cordial dignity and thoughtful reserve that seem to have impressed and reassured observers across the political spectrum.

However, you are quite right to call the controversy over the indictment of buffoonishly sly Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich a "mess." That the normally deft Obama team mishandled its rapid response to it was obvious from the get-go. Obama's first statements about his and his staff's communications with Blagojevich were inadequate at best and misleading at worst. Then there was a second stage of needless blunders when Obama opposed the tarnished Blagojevich's perfectly legal appointment of Roland Burris to fill Obama's vacated Senate seat -- a foolishly hard line that the president-elect inevitably had to reverse.

The usual tranquil transition period between an election and inauguration has certainly been overshadowed by the murky Blagojevich scandal, but I think most reasonable people would give Obama a pass on it. Any new president must learn crisis management the hard way. No evidence to date directly implicates Obama in Blagojevich's follies. But Obama's future chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, the arrogant Chicago scrapper who was reportedly a conduit to the governor, already seems like an albatross who should be thrown overboard as soon as possible. Nobody wants a dawning presidency addicted so soon to stonewalling, casuistry and the Nixonian dark arts of the modified limited hangout.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 07:40 AM

Jan. 14, 2009 | Dear Camille,


I wish to present an observation, of sorts, from an evil conservative view.

I am not in the least bit surprised that the Obama crew is shaping up to look like a Clinton retread crew because it seems to me that the Clinton years are the only real benchmark of accomplishment that Democrats today can look to. Sure, they wiped up the Republicans in '06 and '08, but they haven't done much of anything of substance except torpedo Congress's already historically abysmal approval ratings and piss off their own Capitol Hill staffers. If anyone ought to be allowed (or encouraged) to smoke, it would be these D.C. staffers, and are you really willing to screw with that?

It is going to be interesting to see how the Democrat Party is able to hold up in this first year or so internally. In my humble opinion, Obama is not the leader of this party -- Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are -- and to see how Obama grabs hold of Dem leadership responsibilities, if at all, will be interesting. I think that the party is at a crossroads, with political posturing at the top (Obama's rapidly backpedaling policy plans), power and ego struggles (Hillary, Harry, Nancy, etc.) and a voter base that is starting to look and sound more like British Labour and that grows less tolerant of electoral posturing and only more restless in its pursuit of what I can only describe as radical change.

Obama will certainly have his hands full with his band of bozos, and because they control Congress and the White House, whichever way they pull themselves, so go the rest of us. Oh well, in God I trust, and in his faithful servant, John Browning.

Daine Zaccheo
469th FMC Info Sys Support Spc
Palm Bay, Fla., by way of Balad, Iraq



Thank you for your tart perspective on the travails of my party! In invoking God's "faithful servant" John Browning, I assume you are referring to the innovative Mormon gunsmith (1855-1926) who invented a staggering number of weapons and who is considered the godfather of today's automatic and semiautomatic firearms.

Surely both parties should be rooting for Congress to dig in its heels and assert its constitutional authority vis-ΰ-vis the White House. The U.S. was meant to have a vigorous tripartite government, which has been weakened by the post-Nixon slide toward an ad hoc imperial presidency. The legislative branch shouldn't roll over and play dead like a cutesy pound puppy.

On the other hand, I agree with you that Congress has come across lately like a clumsy, flea-bitten bunch of "bozos." Its poll ratings are lower than stinking swamp mud. I have a soft spot for the nimble Nancy Pelosi, a master of the ladylike stiletto thrust, but Harry Reid is a cadaverous horse's ass of mammoth proportions. How in the world did that whiny, sniveling incompetent end up as Senate majority leader? Give him the hook! As for the "radical change" that you fear, it's hard to imagine (short of a crisis-driven imposition of martial law) how that will ever happen in our sluggish, consensus-driven political system.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 10:00 AM

Sun-Times: Journalists Being Shut Out by Obama
By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
January 12, 2009 - 21:43 ET

According to Sun-Times columnist and long-time Chicago journalist, Carol Marin, journalists at Barack Obama news conferences have come to realize that Obama has pre-picked those journalists whom he will allow to ask him questions at the conference and many of them now "don't even bother raising" their hands to be called upon.

One wonders why journalists are allowing this corralling of the press? Would they have allowed George W. Bush to pre-pick journalists like that? Would they meekly sit by and allow themselves to be systematically ignored, their freedom to ask questions silenced by any Republican? Would journalists so eagerly vie with one another for the favor of Bush like they are Obama's?

For her part, it seems that Carol Marin is starting to wonder at the "bizarro world" that is being invented by the pliant and smitten Obama loving press corps.

As ferociously as we march like villagers with torches against Blagojevich, we have been, in the true spirit of the Bizarro universe, the polar opposite with the president-elect. Deferential, eager to please, prepared to keep a careful distance.

The Obama news conferences tell that story, making one yearn for the return of the always-irritating Sam Donaldson to awaken the slumbering press to the notion that decorum isn't all it's cracked up to be.

The press corps, most of us, don't even bother raising our hands any more to ask questions because Obama always has before him a list of correspondents who've been advised they will be called upon that day.


Will the rest of the press retake their manhood and again become the tough guys they have always claimed to be or are they going to stay so smitten by Obama and their love for The One that they will allow themselves to continue being forced into a subservient role?

One has a sinking suspicion that the press is allowing itself to become Obama's lapdog extraordinaire.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 10:51 AM

"One has a sinking suspicion that the press is allowing itself to become Obama's lapdog extraordinaire."


          I don't know; they managed to uncover the illegal alien that his appointee to treasury department hired...


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 02:53 PM

What a storm of empty nonsense.

First of all, after 195 posts, the fact remains that the Obama administration does not begin operating for real for another 6 days!!

Second of all, journalists with hurt feelings spouting miscellaneous whingery and calling things "bizarre" is not news. It isn't even story. It's just flapdoodle noisemaking. Especially since apparently no attempt was made to find out what the whole story may have been.

Third of all, when the Obama administration DOES swing into operation, the issues will be a bit more important than noise about noisemakers making noise. We'll be able to debate or argue on the merits of the case, to whatever degree we can learn what those are.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 03:01 PM

Amos,

"It isn't even story. It's just flapdoodle noisemaking. Especially since apparently no attempt was made to find out what the whole story may have been."

As opposed to many of the anti-Bush diatribes that you have posted before??? Please!


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 03:13 PM

SO far, Obama has done nothing indicating he deserves the kind of calumny that Bush's secretive, ill-conceived powerplays deserved.

A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 03:19 PM

For the cost of the inaugural, we could house and feed all the homeless in the US for four years. ( including the costs to surrounding states and DC.)


Why not a simple ceremony with TV coverage?



Far more of a waste than anything Bush caused with Katrina.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 03:21 PM

Waste? Bush? Oh, surely you jest.

How much did his inauguration cost?

And also, just as a comment, I believe the inauguration is being funded with voluntary donations, is it not?


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 03:23 PM

Not the FEDERAL funds given to MD, VA, and DC to pay for the "public safety" aspects.

But I suppose you don't want to look at that, as you would if it was Bush.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 03:25 PM

"t will be one of the biggest parties in American history, but half of the country will be left out. With a price tag of up to $50 million, President George W Bush's inauguration in 11 days' time will be an unashamed celebration of Red America's victory over Blue America in last November's election.

It is going to be the most expensive, most security-obsessed event in the history of Washington DC. An army of 10,000 police, secret service officers and FBI agents will patrol the capital for four days of massive celebrations that some critics have derided as reminiscent of the lavish shindigs thrown by Louis XIV, France's extravagant Sun King.

More than 150,000 people, nearly all Republicans whose tickets are a reward for election work, will pack the Mall to hear Bush take his oath of office on 20 January. There will be nine official balls, countless unofficial ones, parades and a concert hosted by Bush's daughters, Jenna and Barbara. "


Anyway, I agree the money would be better spent on supporting charitable works. Between Bush's wars and Paulson's bail-out, in comparison it seems a pittance. 'T is a shame.


A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 03:53 PM

"Inauguration has already cost Maryland $11 million
By Paul West | paul.west@baltsun.com
12:56 PM EST, January 13, 2009
WASHINGTON - Next week's presidential inauguration of Barack Obama has already cost Maryland at least $11 million, state officials said today.

The unbudgeted spending, mainly for transportation and security, is part of some $75 million that Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia have already had to absorb, Washington Mayor Adrian Fenty told reporters.

The $11 million figure also includes costs associated with Obama's Saturday train trip and scheduled stop in Baltimore.

Gov. Martin O'Malley, a Democrat, said he has spoken with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada about getting Congress to reimburse the cash-short state government. Members of the Maryland congressional delegation, including Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski, and Rep. Elijah E. Cummings of Baltimore, are also involved in seeking federal reimbursement, he said."


And the $75,000,000 is only the cost to the states- NOT the cost of the inaugural ( I think that was about $40,000,000- I'll look for the exact amount)

Makes Bush's $50,000,000 seem just a pittance, doesn't it?

The real question is who is paying? If donations, ( the "cost" of the inaugurals) fine- but that $75,000,000 is FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 04:00 PM

"Should Obama and his supporters spend $24-$50 million for the inauguration at a time when the United States is in in the midst of a Recession and facing the highest unemployment rate in sixteen years with 2.6 million having lost their jobs? Who are the donors so gladly paying as much as $50,000 to participate and hosting galas for Congressional members as well?"

http://us-president.suite101.com/article.cfm/obama_and_the_24_million_inaugural



"Obama and Congressional Donor List
Obama's campaign has capped donors to the inauguration at $50,000 and banned lobbyist and corporations from contributing to inaugural events. Corporate donors, such as Florida Power & Lights and Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida have gotten around this by contributing to private parties. Critics such as Public Citizen note that most contributors to the presidential inaugural committee and the private parts, including those for Congress members, are well-connected political donors.(McClatchy News, 01/09/09)

Donors, including businesses and their lobbying arms, are helping to underwrite the 10 official celebrations. These include corporations and individuals giving $50,000 such as:

American Airlines
Chicago-based Exelon Utility
The Nuclear Energy Institute
Director and Producer Steven and his wife, Kate Capshaw Spielberg
John Keane of CBS-Viacom
Louis Susman of Citibank

Congress is not without it donors. Although an ethics law passed barred lawmakers from attending parties in their honor but left a loop hole for inauguration-related events. For example, textbook publishers and educational-software providers are helping to pay for a ball honoring Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass, chairman of the education committee. The Creative Coalition, and entertainment industry group, will host a gala with more than 40 lawmakers as "honorary hosts." (USA Today, 12/23/08)

At a time when many Americans are suffering economically, and when Obama has promised "Change", some wonder whether it is appropriate to continue the excessive presidential inaugural festivities, whether being paid for with private or public funds. As the Obama Donor List is scrutinized, there may be some suspicion that Obama and Congress are not much different than the administrations that preceded them."


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 04:05 PM

Obama raises $27 million for inaugural
January 6, 2009 - 4:35pm

By SHARON THEIMER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Despite the economic hard times, money keeps pouring in for President-elect Barack Obama's inaugural festivities.

The inaugural committee has raised at least $27 million, donor information on its Web site Tuesday showed. Most of that has come in over the past three weeks.

If fundraising continues at that pace, Obama's committee will have no problem reaching or exceeding the roughly $40 million raised for each of President George W. Bush's two inaugural celebrations.

More than 2,000 donors are helping to finance Obama's Jan. 20 swearing-in festivities. At least 378 gave the maximum $50,000.

Top donors include financier and major Democratic donor George Soros, actors Halle Berry, Jamie Foxx, Sharon Stone and Samuel L. Jackson, producer Jeffrey Katzenberg and directors Ron Howard, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Robert Zemeckis. Lisa Henson, daughter of "Muppets" creator Jim Henson and the co-CEO of The Jim Henson Co., also gave the maximum.

Math teacher Jon Mormino of Washington's Sidwell Friends School, where Obama's daughters Malia and Sasha started classes this week, gave $250.

The $50,000 donors get access to inaugural events including candlelight dinners with appearances by members of Congress and the Obamas and tickets to an official ball, the swearing-in ceremony and parade seating.

The committee expects to raise about the same amount as Bush did for his last inauguration. Americans shouldn't get the impression that the money will be spent on caviar and champagne, inaugural committee spokeswoman Linda Douglass said. Light fare and snacks will be served at the official balls; there will be no caviar, and people will have to pay for their drinks, she said.

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The inaugural committee is releasing the names of those who give $200 or more. It is refusing money from labor unions, corporations, political action committees, foreigners and Washington lobbyists.

The committee isn't turning away contributions from those whose enterprises lobby in Washington, however.

Google chief executive Eric Schmidt and five others at the Internet company gave $25,000 each. The inaugural committee received a total of $150,500 from six Microsoft employees, including the maximum $50,000 from Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer.

Also giving the limit were Thomas Strickland, UnitedHealth Group executive vice president and chief legal officer, and two Indian tribes with casinos, the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma and the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians in California.

Microsoft, Google, UnitedHealth and the two Indian tribes have all lobbied in Washington over the past year.

Other maximum donors include Louis Susman, who retired this month as vice chairman of Citigroup, a banking giant that has received a multibillion-dollar bailout from the U.S. government.

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On the Net:

Inaugural donors: http://www.pic2009.org/page/content/donors/


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 04:11 PM

Wall Street Dominates List of Inaugural Donors
Posted Jan 9, 09 1:30 PM CST in Business, Politics
(Newser) – Private donations to defray the cost of Barack Obama's inauguration festivities total $27.3 million—and large donors, including Wall Street executives flush with bailout cash, chipped in $24.8 million, the Wall Street Journal reports. That runs counter to the vow to remain independent of special interests that led the president-elect to ban corporations from funding the Jan. 20 ceremonies.

Financial-services execs have bundled donations, and just 378 people raised 70% of the money raised through yesterday. Wall Street employees were the largest single source. A Lehman exec bundled $115,000, a Citigroup director put a $265,000 package together, and Goldman accounted for least $175,000. Congress approved $10 million in public funds for the event.
Source: Wall Street Journal




So, $10,000,000 from Congress, and $75,000,000 to reinburse states- $85,000,000 tax dollars.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 08:30 PM

Sigh.

Actually its oranges and apples. No mention was made of the security and transport costs during the unprecedented Bush four-day celebration.

Notice also, that Obama has invited Americans all over the country to contribute with a day of public service, as he and Michelle are doing the day before the inauguration.

One day of your godforsaken war, Bruce, would have paid for both their damned inaugurations.



A


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 12:58 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if most Americans agree, both the war and the inauguration--at least at this level--are a waste of money.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 12:24 PM

"We are here today not simply to pay tribute to our first patriots but to take up the work that they began. The trials we face are very different now, but severe in their own right. Only a handful of times in our history has a generation been confronted with challenges so vast. An economy that is faltering. Two wars, one that needs to be ended responsibly, one that needs to be waged wisely. A planet that is warming from our unsustainable dependence on oil.

And yet while our problems may be new, what is required to overcome them is not. What is required is the same perseverance and idealism that our founders displayed. What is required is a new declaration of independence, not just in our nation, but in our own lives - from ideology and small thinking, prejudice and bigotry - an appeal not to our easy instincts but to our better angels.

That is the reason I launched my campaign for the presidency nearly two years ago. I did so in the belief that the most fundamental American ideal, that a better life is in store for all those willing to work for it, was slipping out of reach. That Washington was serving the interests of the few, not the many. And that our politics had grown too small for the scale of the challenges we faced.

But I also believed something else. I believed that our future is our choice, and that if we could just recognize ourselves in one another and bring everyone together - Democrats, Republicans, and Independents, north, south, east and west, black, white, Latino, Asian, and Native American, gay and straight, disabled and not - then not only would we restore hope and opportunity in places that yearned for both, but maybe, just maybe, we might perfect our union in the process.

This is what I believed, but you made this belief real. You proved once more that people who love this country can change it. And as I prepare to leave for Washington on a trip that you made possible, know that I will not be traveling alone. I will be taking with me some of the men and women I met along the way, Americans from every corner of this country, whose hopes and heartaches were the core of our cause; whose dreams and struggles have become my own.

Theirs are the voices I will carry with me every day in the White House. Theirs are the stories I will be thinking of when we deliver the changes you elected me to make...."

Barack Obama on the whistle-stop tour from Philly


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 12:42 PM

Next Week!!! Snow White and the seven dwarfs!


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 01:07 PM

"Snow White and the seven dwarfs!"

?? I don't get it...guess I must be dense.

I really don't get bruce's series of posts about inauguration costs either. Is there some sort of real point or claim being made, or just another "you judge US by different standards" insinuation?

EVERY president is expected to have some sort of celebration of the beginning of their term, and I see many figures that any excess...(like the train trip) is coming from contributions.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 01:35 PM

It was just another Disney "classic" Bill.


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Subject: RE: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:08 PM

AKe is being snarky in his very best passive-aggressive style, Bill. But I think it is saf eto ignore his bad humor on the grounds that he is not of or in th eporcess going on with the advent of Obama.


A


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