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Whitby and the golden egg

Betsy 16 Aug 08 - 07:44 PM
le cheffie 16 Aug 08 - 08:35 PM
Tyke 17 Aug 08 - 10:51 AM
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Will Fly 18 Aug 08 - 06:58 AM
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oggie 18 Aug 08 - 08:05 AM
Dave Hanson 18 Aug 08 - 10:36 AM
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Watt Tyler 18 Aug 08 - 06:26 PM
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le cheffie 19 Aug 08 - 03:54 AM
gnomad 19 Aug 08 - 05:54 AM
GUEST,local 19 Aug 08 - 05:57 AM
GUEST,real local 19 Aug 08 - 06:37 AM
GUEST,Cliff 19 Aug 08 - 09:20 AM
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le cheffie 19 Aug 08 - 10:43 AM
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Subject: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Betsy
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 07:44 PM

I've just been down to Whitby this afternoon / tonight.
Paid £2.80 pint for some shite called Deuchars , and £2.90 for a pint Courage Directors.I live in that part of the world and a decent pint is normally £2.20 / £2.30
Me and missus also had Cod and chips for more than double the price we could have had at a Redcar and argueabley better quality than Whitby.
The point I am trying to make is, Whitby WAKE UP or you will frighten people away.
Whitby - in short you are taking the piss - be very very careful.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: le cheffie
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 08:35 PM

betsy £2.80 for Deuchars is is pretty good its only £ 2.60 in Leeds. As forthe fish and chips I don't know how much you pay in the Tees mouth but in Yorkshire we pay for quality ( usually from Scarbourgh)


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 10:51 AM

well you should have seen it coming! Sky high property prices plus longer working hours. Local pubs shutting down because they are empty no smoking? Red car! Bet you are glad you dont have a folk festival any more!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Aleman
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 06:52 AM

"Paid £2.80 pint for some shite called Deuchars "
A reflection of either how well/badly the beer had been kept, or your discernment when it comes to quality beer (Deuchars won the national 'beer of the year' a couple of years ago. As for £2.80, yea that's a bit steep.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 06:58 AM

£2.80 eh? Luxury! £2.95 for a pint down here in Sussex...don't ask about Guinness prices...


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: le cheffie
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 07:07 AM

Still don't think £2.80 is too bad. Its £3.00 a pint for Greene King IPA where I work.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Guest Chalkie
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 07:13 AM

The cost of fish and chips being twice as much - in my experience - at the coast as what I can get in land is something which I have never been able to understand. It is actually landed in Whitby, ie no transport costs so, if anything, it should be cheaper.

Cost of beer in pubs, again, usually at the coast, is more expensive when it is already too expensive inland. When supermarkets are selling it so cheap is it any wonder that people are staying in and drinking more at home? One thing I can't really understand is the Weatherspoons chain, how can they sell it so much cheaper than the rest? It's almost as low as club prices. If they can do it why can't other chains? Sam Smiths pubs sell cheaper ale - again club prices - and although most would not drink Sam Smiths given a choice, surley there brewing costs are no different to that of other breweries?

I don't think the number of pubs closing down has much to do with the smoking ban, it's the cost of the beer and yet when less customers come through the door they keep on putting the prices up. Madness.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: oggie
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 08:05 AM

"One thing I can't really understand is the Weatherspoons chain, how can they sell it so much cheaper than the rest? It's almost as low as club prices. If they can do it why can't other chains?"

Weatherspoons speciality is buying up beer near to it's sell buy date for very little money and using it's logistic capacity to get it out to the pubs fast. The breweries make a loss on a lot of the beer they sell to Weatherspoons but it works out cheaper for them than just emptying it down the drain. It all means that they keep turning over the beers they stock..

Steve


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 10:36 AM

Weatherspoons have great buying power, they have a vast pub chain and if brewers don't give them a big discount, they don't sell your beer, this is why Weatherspoons no longer sell Timothy Taylors, Taylors won't give discounts because they don't need to.

The other one baffles me too, why is haddock and chips cheaper in West Yorkshire than in Whitby ?

eric


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 10:53 AM

Just got back from Whitby this afternoon.
Beer prices are stupid, we won't be going again, can't afford (as pensioners) to do so. Petrol prices, fish & chips, and beer are prohibitive.
It's easier to drink & eat in Wetherspoons in Harrogate. It's a pity, 'cos we have been going to Whitby Folk Week since the 70's.
Oh, well, things change......


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Aleman
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 11:30 AM

"why is haddock and chips cheaper in West Yorkshire than in Whitby ?
"
Supply and demand, and a bit of market theory. The 2 markets in this example are not the same, and it has little to do with transport cost. You charge (usually) whatever maximises total profit - if you hike the price up in Whitby and folk still cough up, then you're in the pound seats. If you tried to do the same in W Yorks, you'd lose more custom than the extra you make on each unit sold etc etc

Elasticity of demand and all that I think....


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Mr Pig
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 12:50 PM

'I don't think the number of pubs closing down has much to do with the smoking ban, it's the cost of the beer and yet when less customers come through the door they keep on putting the prices up. Madness.'

Along with the smoking ban, the huge inflation on beer is a major issue - by 2012 the government are aiming for the average pint to cost £5. It is hard to hear people say that they are blaming Whitby and its people for these prices when escalating council tax costs, new business rates, extra bills for emptying bins, the costs of opening later, the police insistance on doorstaff, the brewery prices rising because of rising production and transportation costs, i can go on and on. The amazing thing about Whitby is that most of the businesses are owned and run by individuals, not big chains with massive buying power - so this is what you are paying for - the charm, friendliness and individuality of a beautiful town. Just for information too - the £2.80 Deuchars and £2.90 Directors quoted above are at the top end of the Whitby scale, and there are plenty of cheaper ales in all the pubs. Why not join one of the many online petitions to the goverment to slow down the rise in beer tax, and support the people resisting the corporate giants, i am sure everyone in Whitby is working very hard to make a living for themselves!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 04:53 PM

well I got stung for £2.95 for my first pint in the Station. Looked more carefully at the board after and got some beer at £2.65 but it has certainly reduced my intake - probably not a bad thing. I've promised myself some fish and chips tomorrow but perhaps I'll stop by the bank to arrange another mortgage first.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,yarn
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 05:16 PM

Good for you Betsy, tell it as it is. I was at Saltburn festival the week before A small bottle of red wine which held 2 glasses cost a mere £2.40. Me and our lass got 4 glasses for £4.80 and double Mccalluns was £3. in Whitby a watery Orange juice and a pint of John Smiths cost £5.Not only that the festival was great.

Ps   Enjoyed your song at the White Hart, Betsy


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Watt Tyler
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 06:26 PM

Can I say (as a resident of Whitby) that the reason you are paying slightly above average prices for your quality fish & chips etc is that 1) They are just that - quality 2) That the traders in Whitby have a very short season and that they have to make their living during the months from April to September because after that the town goes pretty much dead. Whitby has been voted in numerous polls, the most preferred resort in the UK. Like any other tourist attraction it has its season and like any other tourist attraction it would be foolish not to exploit its standing as a popular spot. When many cities and larger towns are thriving in January and February, just take a walk down Church Street in Whitby. Chances are you'll be the only one on the cobbles. I don't think that stumping up, what amounts to probably only a tenner over the course of a week, for excess food and drink prices is too much to ask. If you ask me, Whitby's so beautiful that we should charge you all a fiver to get in! This thread reminds me of another that was on here not too long about tight folkies. HHhhhmmmmmmm, maybe there was some truth in it.

Watt


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 03:00 AM

Latest news is that Whitby town centre is flooded with raw sewage.

eric


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: le cheffie
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 03:54 AM

oh nice!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: gnomad
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 05:54 AM

Flooded is an emotive word, conjures up images of Boscastle, or maybe New Orleans. Yes a couple of weeks ago there was a fair bit of untreated sewerage going into the harbour, which took about three days to sort. I work on the water in and out of the harbour and it was a rough few days, though only really nasty near the point of discharge.

Sunday and yesterday there were sewer covers on the east side clearly under some pressure after big rainfalls, and there was again some waste being discharged though less than last time. I wasn't working but saw the TV van and several of us were speculating as to what story they might be covering, the discharge wasn't big enough to make it an obvious answer. There is nothing by way of sewerage to be seen in the vast majority of the town centre.

As to Betsy's original thead, yes prices here are in many cases a bit higher than in some other areas, one or two landlords spring particularly to mind. I think, however, that we are probably close to national average prices whereas much of the northeast is lucky enough to enjoy below-average prices. Our F&C shops could also lower their prices if they sold less gargantuan portions, which would also mean that we had fewer half-portions of leftovers to clean off the streets at ratepayers' expense.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,local
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 05:57 AM

Can I say as a resident of Whitby, that if you would rather drink in Wetherspoons or eat second rate fish and chips made from frozen transported fish, then please do... you are welcome to them. We don't have a Wetherspoons in town, same as we don't have a McDonalds or any other cheap, low quality fast food/beer chains and we don't want them.

If you don't like it, don't come. We won't miss you.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,real local
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 06:37 AM

Well said "local" These people get right up my nose... They come to Whitby thinking they have some, God given right to, cheap holidays, food, accommodation, drink etc... (and parking) If you don't like it stick to Redcar and the lovely local scene on the South Bank of the Tees...


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Cliff
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 09:20 AM

Guests 'Local' & 'real local'
If, as you say, you wont miss 'outsiders' if they didnt come how will Whitby survive?
The majority of your income is from visitors (see post above re. tourist season) so I would think it in your interests to encourage rather than name call.
Luckily, most people in Whitby are friendly unlike yourselves.

As to drink prices - its OK saying that they are about national average but remember that wages in this area are BELOW national average.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,local
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 09:35 AM

I'm not saying we would'nt miss 'outsiders'(not exactly a friendly term) just that those who think Whitby should become a homogenous town centre with plastic pubs and cheap nasty fast food, as opposed to a lovely independent town centre with real pubs and fresh fish and chips as well as independent shops and character should go elsewhere. They clearly don't want us, so we don't want them.

I am not going to apologise for that.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:02 AM

Oggie the only shite you are peddaling is the old tale about Wetherspoons buying near to sell buy date beer that's pure bollocks. Wetherspoons keep their prices low because their staff ratio is low and they only pay £40 for a nine gallon barrell, if you've ever organised a bar you'll know that £60 is near the mark and thats if you can get a discount and this is from someone who dislikes Wetherspoons as a chain. The Deuchers at £2.80 will be from an Enterprise or Punch Taverns leased house and they have to buy their beer from their landlord at sky high prices. However Whitby always has been expensive for beer and I estimate it's about a third higher than Sheffield for retail prices and the reson is... as stated earlier we tourists help them get through the winter.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Mr Pig
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:37 AM

Getting 'Stung' for a pint is not really fair as all pubs list prices at numerous points in their pub, so it is easy enough to choose in your price range before you order. Whitby may be a bit more expensive but you pay for what you get, it is a nice friendly place that everyone is welcome to enjoy.

Manners cost nothing but there have not been many people with them in the past few days!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: le cheffie
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:43 AM

Aside from the complaints about beer and fish and chips and rude folks, how is the festival going so far.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Watt Tyler
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 11:13 AM

To le cheffie - WET!

I'm with local and real local on this one. we don't want shit beer and shit fast foods. I know that McDonalds applied to open in town and Wetherspoons are constantly trying to get in. Thankfully SBC turned down McD's (one of the rare good things that SBC have done) and the owners of The Shambles have snubbed the advances of Wetherspoons on more than one occasion as far as I'm aware. Thank God for Whitby and it's traditions. As was previously said, if you don't like it then don't come. It will survive without the odd moaner. You can always slum it in Redcar of course!

Watt


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: le cheffie
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 11:26 AM

One of the many things I have always liked about Whitby is the absence of the usual high street fast food chains and Wetherspoon's. Long may it remain that way. Although I'm not at the festival I hope to visit some time soon


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Guest - Chalkie
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 01:42 PM

Why is when "a local" can not put up a good enough argument they always come up with something like "if you don't like it don't bother coming".

The quality of fish and chips in Whitby is no better than the quality of fish and chips at my corner chippy in Ponte - and I like my fish and chips. So the argument about paying for what you get is crap. Also, the argument of supply and demand is just another excuse for ripping people off.

Paying 2.85/2.95/3.00 a pint is ripping people off, in what I keep getting told is a friendly town. Ripping peoiple off is not being friendly.

Why are so many people against the Weatherspoons chain? What is so bad about them? They serve various real ales - though most real ales in most pubs are lousey, but, a lot of people seem to like flat beer these days, so, what do I know - and they sell their beer cheap. What have they done to deserve the slating. One thing's for sure, if they ever did get in to Whitby, it would be the most popular pub, because the beer would be so much cheaper than anyone else. Perhaps then the others would lower their prices.

I love tradditional pubs and I like a good pint and yes, many pubs in Whitby do keep a good pint, though there are plenty of others who don't and still charge top whack.

Fish and Chips, and beer is too expensive in what is one of the most popular seaside resorts in the country. There may not be many people walking up Church Street in Febuary but by hell, there's many more than there is in most other in land towns most other months which should more than make up for it.

Anyway, I wasn't able to make Folk Week this year but whether welcome or not by locals, whether the beer is good or crap, whether the cost of beer has come down to a reasonable level or is still extortionate, I'll be there next year for the full week because I'm not missing out two years running on the best folf festival in the country!Rain or shine.

Love and kisses to all.

Chalkie


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Watt Tyler
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 02:00 PM

Thanks for your views Chalkie. I've already aired mine so won't bother boring you with them again. My only disagreement is with the use of the phrase "ripoff". There is no such thing! Whether you get fleeced when buying a pint of beer in a Whitby pub or get stiffed when buying a timeshare, it all amounts to the same thing - NOBODY MAKES YOU DO IT! If you choose to pay the prices then there's no use complaining afterwards. Incidentally, I would like to refer back to my previous comment about tight folkies. Do these debates rage on after Glastonbury, Reading, Leeds etc? No! Simply because the punters know what to expect. Please people, don't tell me after all your collective years of going to folk festivals, that you don't know what's coming. Is it really such a surprise to you? Many of you don't pay towards the festival anyway and simply choose to go to the free events. So stop the whining and give something back PLEASE!

Watt


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 02:19 PM

ok its guess the price of o pint of water and a glass of soda water in the first inn last out.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Dave (Bridge)
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:23 PM

Just back from three days at Whitby. Yes beer, especially Guinness, was expensive. However, I reckon at £5 per round for me and my partner multiplied by 4 is not a bad night out when you are listening to good singers singing great songs and harmonies, for 'free' in the little room in the Station. You would pay a lot more for a concert and have to buy drinks on top. You get what you pay for.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 03:30 AM

One thing peeps have forgotten in wishing for a Wetherspoons is that they probably wouldn't allow music anyway cos they won't pay the performance licence


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 04:57 AM

Sam Smiths, dont allow music either and their beer is more expensive.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 06:23 AM

On Monday when the reports of more sewage were on the news we had fish and chips in the vicinity of Whitby harbour and they were absolutely delicious :-) Worth every penny.

I think that gnomad made a good point about the size of the portions; I struggle sometimes to finish them. We have an excellent fish and chip shop near us in Harrogate and when the people serving think that the fish are a bit small they give you two for the price of one! It must be a fish and chips thing.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Betsy at Work
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 08:15 AM

Look - let me say I love Whitby, me and my other half visit at all times of the year - not just Summer.
Remember that Whitby is a place of high unemployment, so I don't understand also how locals afford these prices.
I was just remarking pricewise - it is starting to slip and someone inflential in the Town needs to pull the pieces together , before they drift into a situation of being a great friendly welcoming town, into one of (and many exist already) who have an attitude of " We want your money but we don't want you ". Whitby should be above all that type of mindset.
To Tyke's early post - Redcar moved to Saltburn which also enjoys a reputation for reasonable priced varied brews and very good fish and chips. Padge I actually of an organic brew which was from Pinchthorpe which was mind - blowingly delicious.
Half my problem is mathematical, I think it is the thought of not being able to get 4 pints out ogf a Ten Pound Note.
By the way, let's be honest - how many of you are going to drink 4 pints a day at Whitby Festival - not many !!!!.
Good luck with the weather for the rest of the festival you all deserve a little bit of sun.

Betsy.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 09:17 AM

I've always enjoyed good fish and chips in Whitby, we only ate in the Magpie Cafe once, the food was superb and the portions were bloody gigantic.

eric


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Aleman
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 09:39 AM

"By the way, let's be honest - how many of you are going to drink 4 pints a day at Whitby Festival - not many !!!!. "

You have got to be joking! (or do you mean ONLY 4 pints...)


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: le cheffie
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 09:49 AM

When I was single and used to attend whitby for the week, i would actually ration myself to £20.00 per day for beer and food, and managed it quite well.

On the subject of Fish and chips I like a big piece of chips but why oh why do they insist on giving such large portions of chips


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 11:40 AM

Whitby's tourist season is not merely an Easter to September occurance as suggested above, in reality there are only two weeks after new year when the town is truly devoid of tourists. As soon as some people get their monthly pay cheque in January tourism picks up, especially at weekend. Weekdays see numerous coach trips land in town, especially of the "Shearings" variety. True there are not the vast numbers normally seen July/August time but only a few shops close for the "closed season" as they used to.
As for the price of beers, many of the pubs have grossly inflated rents to pay and grossly inflated prices to pay for the products they retail, there are exceptions who could charge less but they are few and far between.
Just as a rider, is it my imagination or is folk week very quiet this year.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Betsy
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 02:33 PM

Aleman - Correct you are !!! my sentence /question should have read - ".........ONLY 4 pints............"
I agree with Raggytash re:- rents etc. THAT situation is happening in all our own towns and villages (generally Brewery-driven)with a similar effect. I'm just trying to alert Whitby and it's good reputation, and being a relative Mecca for Folk gatherings (not only Folk FEST week) other events besides, that, maybe , just maybe, they may start to frighten off people if the rises , perceived or otherwise go unchecked.
Case in point - just up the road from Whitby - 10 Miles or so in Staithes - they had a Weekend Folk bash a Month ago - ( I appreciate that the size of the bash was not comparable to Whitby Folk week ).
The landlord had 6 Real ales and other bog standard beers /lager all priced a 2 Quid a pint - which, without going into details, represents a big financial ease on your pocket over the entire weekend.
As most contributors to this thread will know ,Eric the Reds reference to the Magpie - which can said to be in a class of it's own(price and quality)is an exception to the generality of the discussion.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 03:19 PM

I wasn't there this year, but my recollection of the food in Whitby is ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!!! Last year I had a lobster salad in the Duke of York pub, along with a very good glass of white wine at half the price you would have paid in Southern pubs or restaurants. I also had a crab salad on another day I was eating out. Again - superb food and a bargain price. Just off the boat.Couldn't get that sort of price anywhere in East Anglia.
Why go for fish and chips ( bad for the waistline) when you can have something much tastier and better for your health?
Our visit to the Magpie was a fabulous experience, but the portions there were far beyond any normal appetite. If they cut the portion size they might be able to reduce the price. I really don't think that any ordinary appetite could cope with the food put on the plate.
I think Whitby is very good value for money if you want to eat good fresh food. Beer prices I leave to others to argue about!
Mary


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Harry H
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 07:16 PM

Just back from Whitby and have to say that there's validity on both sides of the argument.

We enjoyed some great hospitality but were annoyed to be charged £1 for a pint of tap water at the Middle Earth. This was even more galling as we'd just returned to the bar after to tell them that we'd been undercharged by the price of two pints of bitter. I know what I'd do if I was undercharged again!

Some of the food outlets are overly expensive, but Cambridge is an expensive town and I don't recall anyone complaining about prices in and around CFF.

More worrying was the decline in numbers. I wasn't the only one to comment on the lack of folkies in the usual pubs. On the otherhand, year upon year of bad weather doesn't help!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Nick
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 08:04 PM

In the Middle Earth I was charged £1.20 for a pint and a half of blackcurrant and soda which is not bad in this day and age - the last person who tried to charge me over £2 for a pint of it nearly got it over their shirt. Plus it was a nice place to play and sing so I don't have any problems with that. £1 a pint for same drink in the Endeavour. I think the Fleece was more.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 03:41 AM

If you factor in the price of accomodation, it's cheaper for Mrs rabanne and myself to go to seville, which is what are going to do.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 07:41 AM

I was watching the dance display at the Scoresby monument yesterday afternoon and decided to pop across the road to the newly refurbished and attended toilets (the first time I'd seen them open). 40p to go to the loo (used to be 20p). I decided that that was just too much so I went across the bridge to the free unattended toilets. They were grim (worse than the last time I used them). Well, next time I'm paying the 40p ~ whilst it seems a lot I'm sure it is well worth it! Also, provides more jobs for people.

I suppose that if I'd been really sensible I'd have popped into the Station, bought a drink and gone to the loo for nothing.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 07:47 AM

Just adding to the comments about declining numbers. There seem to be fewer dance teams than usual. However the town is heaving with people despite the heavy rain.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: BB
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:30 PM

I wonder if that's N. Yorks. Council charging the 40p for the loos - Scarborough was the same this year, also up 100% on last. 8/- to spend a penny - bloody hell!

Barbara


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Eileen Knowles
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 07:10 PM

A visit to Whitby is always a treat.   The folk scene was quieter this year, because of the weather, I think. The price of a pint varies enormously all over the country, even from one pub to another in the same town, so that's not a phenomenon peculiar to Whitby.
We eat at Arbut's cafe when we arrive in the morning and get a huge breakfast, well-priced, and a welcome which never varies.   Thank you, Whitby.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: le cheffie
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 07:11 PM

BB the facilities in both Whitby and Scarbourgh are run by Scarbourgh bourgh council, not N Yorks county council


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 12:51 AM

...Well there you go! wittering over spending an extra few quid! Some of us couldn't afford to go on holiday this year so you bunch of tight fisted buggers mithering over the 'extortionate' price of a couple of pints goes down like a lead balloon!
AT LEAST YOU'VE HAD A BLEEDING HOLIDAY!!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 08:22 AM

G'dy Bruce, just try and calm down a bit, I haven't had a holiday for 8 years.

eric


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Cliff
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 10:46 AM

Just back from Whitby & must admit the prices are HIGH.
Ice cream cone (1 scoop, no flake etc.) £2.60
Plain beefburger £2.50
Parking £6.50
Only visited 1 day as with wife & child it is beyond my resources.
I dont mind paying when I get value but this was not.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 11:30 AM

well it depends were you park as to how much you pay and you will pay more for convenience. As with most cafes you will find it necky as cheap to buy a meal and not just a sandwich. If you feel that you have been over charged at a cafe. Do not go back. I have to say on following this thread it has little to do with music. It should be else where. There also seems to be a lot of guests posting nothing but negativity. About what is a great festival. Also if the price of beer is so high then why had the endeavor run out of my favorites last night as the station had done the night before. Tip if you go to the coop and buy a ready roasted chicken and some bread cakes you can feed your family better and cheaper than on beef burgers and get money of your parking to boot. Thats after using the customers loo for free!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Cliff
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 11:58 AM

If you feel that you have been over charged at a cafe. Do not go back
That is what posters are saying - they will not be back!

I have to say on following this thread it has little to do with music
The fact that there appears to be less folk supporting the festival is about music.
This week I have spoken to at least 10 regular Whitby festival goers who have (like myself) only visited for the day instead of a week. This will impact on future festivals at this venue.
That is the message in Betsys opening post.
Sorry if it is negative but that is the thread.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 02:31 PM

im sorry you decided to only visit whitby folk week for a day. As you have just stated that you where already aware of the costs involved. So why did you if you didnt have the gumption to bring some food from home! Now i could direct to a few places where they sell cheap beer. But you are driving so what is the point. Yes yorkshire water have as you already must have been aware have made whitby a on go area as far as swimming goes. So yes its raining you cant leave the kids on the beach why did you come in the first place? Well im off to walk up the 199 steps to the abbey for free! Do you know im sure they put in extra steps every year. What a view and its free!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 02:59 PM

I paid as much as 9 euros for a pint in France a month ago. The prices you're talking sound cheap.
I decided to grin and bear it, and have a good time nonetheless. If I lived there, I might have a different opinion.
The tavern price of beer in California can go from about $4.50 to $6.50 a pint - about a buck a bottle in supermarkets for good beer. I remember getting half-pint glasses in Wisconsin for fifteen cents, but that was in the 1960's.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 03:51 PM

how soon they forget joe humphrey smith banning all music! Because he would not say for a music licence! It was £1.30 a pint then dont know the cost of sam smiths now as i have not been in a sam smiths pub since!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Betsy
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 04:21 PM

Seeing Joe's and Tykes messages above has made me focus on a slightly different way of thinking.
Joe,in thinking this is purely a discussion about high prices which is not exactly, and Tyke saying, hang on there's plenty of reasonable pubs if you go and bother to look .Apologies for the paraphrase Tyke.
Tyke it's not a question of CHEAP beer - Folkies need to pay what Joe Public has to pay - no arguments, but maybe the popular places where we gather and sing /play, are attracting the premium prices. Maybe (almost certainly) Tyke reassures us,there are reasonable places/pubs, therefore should we not be investigating which other pubs who would love to have our high consumption , along with our songs and music.
Maybe we are victims of our own success, and that, in using the same pubs year in year out, some pubs are taking us, and their pricing, for granted.
Joe , Whitby is truly a great place, in fact some would say it is almost a spiritual home to celebrate Folk music and song and dance and all I am trying to encourage is a discussion on how, based on my own findings and other peoples experiences, how it might be possible to halt this perceived slide before it puts off too many Folkies from attending, whether for the whole week, or just day trips.
Cheers Betsy


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 11:32 PM

yes betsy we are victims of our own suckses. As is every landlord who rents from the brewery or a landlord. Everytime they sell more beer they get charged more rent. The cost of rates and sent is based on property prices. Which brings up back to just what i said in the first place. Think about it humphrey smith dont need to sell you beer. He could wish for nothing for the rest of his life just by selling the plough in whitby.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: nutty
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 03:55 AM

Perhaps the problem doesn't lie with Whitby but with ourselves and our eroding pensions/salaries.

The young of today seem quite happy to pay exhorbitant prices for just about everything while we oldies expect to get good value for money particularly when on a restricted income.

I spent a fortune at Whitby (not unexpectedly) but I also had a great time and as I use Whitby as my main holiday it was still a lot cheaper than anything else I could have done. Fortunately I didn't come across any pub/club charging for water so saved a lot that way.

Parking wasn't a problem as I parked out of town and used my free national bus pass - of course I could have walked.

I didn't buy a season ticket but paid at the door for the things I wanted to do and took advantage of the 25% off for pensioners.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 04:10 AM

you dont have to wait till your 60 you can get a discount at 50 a the swimming pool in whitby.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: le cheffie
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 05:34 AM

When I was a steward at Whitby, I used to work the Spa (pavillion) on a night and for those people without season tickets it could be a very expensive night out. I guess its not so bad if you just go for the concerts and the pub sessions, but if you add up the cost of accommodation and then some door prices then the festival could cost as much as a foreign holiday.

Just out of interest what was the price of a weeks season ticket with camping this year.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 09:56 AM

Whitby is still the best folk week and the best seaside town in GB, no arguement.

eric


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Dave_
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 11:33 AM

just stopping off in York At my fiends after getting back from Whitby, my wife and I were there for the full shift, friday to friday.
3 quid for a pint of guinness in the Ship, which is my folk week local, 2.35 for same pint in the fishermans, was a good pint in both, so happy with that.
Fish and chips were nice everywhere, average we paid was 4.80 though being charged 10p for a friggin box rattled me a bit.
my 18th year` in a row being there..i love it, will god willing be back next year.
We`were on the campsite with our motorhome, fair rates I thought, yep overall, more plusses than minuses, off home to spain now, thankx again for a good whitby folk week...


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: r.padgett
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 01:02 PM

Many points clearly valid on cost of food and drink

Cheapest drinks in the clubs of course, Conservative Club, Rifle Club and I think Cask in The Yacht Club at about £1.92 pp ~ John's and Tetley Smooth more expensive

I am VERY annoyed about the fact that you had to pay anything for TAP WATER ~ a personal gripe

Scottish Law has I found the very statement that Tap Water MUST be supplied on request in Clubs

I find that to ask for ANY money for Tap Water an insult and pennypinching

The pubs must not be permitted to get away with this, and all attempts to foist bottled water MUST be repelled!!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Betsy
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 09:24 PM

Hiya Padge ,
I'm not getting upset about pubs charging for water in the sense that if they provide (say) a pint they charge a nominal amount for collecting, ,and cleaning the glass say 25p , but a Quid is out of order,especially when you think of drivers , non drinkers, and drinkers who simply need a break / need to re-hydrate.
I had a conversation tonight in my local about this subject, and apparently the Fishermans club enjoys Pints from £1.30-ish a pint, and, to cut and paste your comment "Conservative Club, Rifle Club and I think Cask in The Yacht Club at about £1.92 pp " seems sensibly cheap.
We don't want to necessarily have rock-bottom prices but ,the point is starting to emerge that Whitby is charging top bobs at the places where " Folk " meet to play sing and dance.
Maybe the time has come to say (and let people know through Mudcat and the like) to such places WE are doing YOU a favour,so back-off with your prices hike or we will establish different pubs in which to congregate, and, that we survived without the i.e. Plough and we'll survive without YOU.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: selby
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 03:49 AM

Whilst on about pub prices my 2 gripes. One of the pubs we went in never charged the same amount twice at the begining of the week, until we copied the price list and worked out how much a round should be, they twigged what we was doing and never had any problems after that, but very cheeky.

How did Scarbrough Council allow the Spa to run out of beer on Friday night it is not as though this is the first whitby ever.

Trying not to be controvertial I think the original question has some merit and that even the organising commitee of Whitby has a bit of input into that sentiment to the people of Whitby, like Raggytash earlier I thought it a bit quieter than normal in the present economic climate all of us are not bottomless money pits and ultimately people vote with their wallets and their feet and I for one would be sad to loose Whitby but I have a strong urge to go to Shrewsbury and Towersley where I have never been,as we have been going to Whitby for 30 years. Whatever the sentiments about summer seasons etc have a trip down the coast to Bridlington and I think you will agree Whitby is not doing to bad.
Keith


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Cath
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 05:48 AM

Mention of Brid reminds me that I have just been told that the Musicport Festival that was happening in Whitby is now relocated to Bridlington. I can't remember the exact reason but I think it was something to do with the cost of hiring the Spa - I'm sure someone here will know.
Cath


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Subject: RE: Whitby-tough life for shops?
From: peregrina
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 07:08 AM

OK, I am not defending the beer prices, but I do want to say that I have the impression that it's a really tough living for businesses in Whitby. Quite a few empty shop fronts even on the main streets.

(I am very glad Whitby's not a place of Starbucks, McDonalds and Travel Lodge. I read the news that Travel Lodge wants to start a hotel there with mixed feelings. But I think it doesn't have many big chains because it's simply not prosperous enough.)

A few years back I got what must have been the last free room in Whitby. In a hotel. Quite a bit costlier than a B&B. You might say--the owners will be raking it in at that price. I thought that at first, but came to doubt it. When I came back late afternoon on departure day, I asked for a loo and was directed to the one in the proprietor's place in the hotel. Just one room they had, no fancier than a regular one, the facilities even a little less 'updated' than the room I'd stayed in.

If you've seen local newsagents close where you live because people buy in big out-of-town shops, or if the milkman stops making rounds because people prefer cheaper supermarket milk... well that's the world that comes when everyone's out to maximize profit and savings. Now I don't know the ins and outs of beer price hikes, and like I said, I don't want to defend or attack them, but I suspect there's a story on the other side too, especially in this credit crunch.

Hard times, hard times, come again no more.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Mike O'Leary-Johns
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 07:10 AM

RAY I NOW KNOW I MUST COME BACK TO WHIBY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I MUST SEE YOU ORDERING A PINT of WATER>>>>>>>>>>>
                      AND DRINKING IT...........MIKE



PS I had A great time at Whitby.........


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: r.padgett
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 09:55 AM

Nice one Michael!!

Water is needed from time to time to rehydrate

I am not saying that people should order free water! just that it can be essential for those drinking a lot of alcohol which is why the Scots have this right!

I won't even mention the extortionate cost of Coke and the extra cost of Diet and sugar free Coke (essential for diabetics and there are millions of us as well as those who don't know they are),

shame o shame on you money grabbing publicans, they are taking their pound of flesh and I have NO sympathy for the need to make money for the Beer companies in the summer season!

Ray

ps Nice to see you Michael sorry didn't make Saltburn

Mick McGarry did his usual sterling job as MC


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 10:03 AM

I nearly witnessed Ray drinking more that just a pint of water as he lead the Wibberly Wobberly Walking prade back to the camp site at Holmfirth F F. Furtunatly I directed him away from the river!

My view is that pubs should serve soft drinks at reasonable prices most are charging more that the cost of Beer for Lemonaid if they don't then no Licence! Tap water and soda water should be free! But don't expect to sit there taking up space for free all night whilst not spending any money. Its your choice if you wish to pay for expencive bottled water!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Mo the caller
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 02:19 AM

Our friends went to Sidmouth, we went to Whitby. Our flat seemed much better value for money (no I'm not telling you where we stayed, I don't want anyone sneaking in and booking 2010). Years ago when we had holidays in Torbay and N. Yorkshire we always noticed how much cheaper things like ice-cream were in the NE.
The ice cream further up the thread for over £2 must have been an exception, we didn't pay that much even down in the harbour - organic farmhouse ice-cream in Sandsend car park was £2, but you could get cheaper by walking a few yards, so you pay for quality and location. Also we looked at the price of kids fishing nets £1.50 in the harbour, £1 half way up the Kyber pass, 75p up by the West Cliff paddling pool - economic theory is working out as expected.

Tyke says "But don't expect to sit there taking up space for free all night whilst not spending any money." But I've paid for my season ticket and if an event is in the programme I feel entitled to attend without an extra change. (yes, I often do want a drink as well and buy one). What arrangement the provider of the premises has made with the festival is not my concern.

Where were all the collecting tin rattlers this year?


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: r.padgett
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 03:50 AM

Good point regarding drinks when you have paid for an expensive ticket and clearly penny pinching is correct when money is tight and where you may have a large young family!!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Hoblander
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 08:09 AM

I thought I'd stick me oar in. I had a fantastic week at Whitby, lost me voice, won the worst taste shirt competition , won two tickets to Bedworth, and took part in Maypoles to Mistletoe production, had a great time in the shanty sessions, and the Mick McGarry sessions. The lad deserves a gong as big as a dustbin lid. His sess should have finished at 8 each night but he just kept going, finishing at 10.30 on Friday.
The shanty sessions and Mick haywoods night raised £1532 for the lifeboats.
Regarding prices, well hell if you can't spend some money and enjoy youself then don't go. Yea prices are a bit high. When the euro was introduce in Spain the price of a glass of beer went from less than 1000 pesatas to 1 euro overnight. Doubled. If any of us were running a business in Whitby, would we charge the going rate? Apparently the lease for the Fleece is up for 140k plus 1k to the brewery every week.
For anybody that's interested it's the Black Bull Bender this weekend at Jim and Mu Wilkinson's farm at Tranmire , just off the A171 Whitby Moor Road. Beer at about £2, home made sarnies £1.50, breakfast for £3, admission for whole 5 sessions £7. Free camping and vanning. Just up your street Betsy.
Kev Hall


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 10:06 AM

There seems to be at least two Whitby Folk Weeks. The pubs may well be pricey, but Susan and I got season tickets, and spent all our time at organized events. Prices, even for those of us who are spoiled by US prices and devastated by the falling dollar, weren't too bad at places like the Conservative Club, the Rifle Club and the Football club. Beer was typically £1.80, with specials like Theakstons a bit less; sandwiches were £2 or so.

We had cooked of our dinners ourselves in our cottage, which admittedly made a considerable difference.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 11:00 AM

Mo the caller, I was referring mainly to public houses in general. It's just wrong for the Breweries and Landlord to set high prices for none alcoholic drinks. To charge the same price and more for a soft drink that has not anywhere near the same TAX to pay back to Customs and Excise.

I know nothing of the costs involved in hiring most of the Festival Venues or the cost of staffing them. That said there cost and charges must take into account the amount of money that they will take over the bar. That's my way of saying if they don't take money over the bar at events they will have to charge more for the room next year.

The Whitby Folk Club who meets each Thursday at the Friendship Rowing Club once again put on a special night in Folk Week to raise funds for the RNLB, which was added to the money already raised in the Endeavour by Jim and Graham. The Whitby Folk Club moved themselves upstairs into the large concert room for this event. The Bar Staff who worked behind the bar are Member of the Friendship Rowing Club and did so as volunteers. The facilities at the Whitby Friendship Rowing Club where and are superb. The members I meet lived up to the name of the Club and the Beer that I imbibed in, that night was, Tetley's Imperial at £2.05 a pint was well kept and very drinkable.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: r.padgett
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 11:28 AM

Thank you George!

Glad you and Susan enjoyed the festival Dick, you know where the best prices are!

Good to see you again Kev and that good amount received/collected from festival goers for the Lifeboat ~ what a government/governments to not maintain lifeboats out of the public purse!! yee gods and we talk about beer prices!!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Kelk Brigade
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 11:29 AM

Moan, moan, moan, bloody moan, can someone please tell me one pub/ town based festival where pubs actually change their pricing policy for a festival? No! you are simply paying the going rate in the area the same as the locals pay all year.
OK Green field festivals charge what they like, some cheap but most are more expensive. The gripe about soft drinks is legitimate and landlords / tenants / managers should be careful in this respect as all customers regular and transient resent being ripped off in this way.
Paid £ 4.00 for a pint of Guinness in a town centre before now so don't think Whitby is at all exorbitant and the beer is much better kept.
Witherspoons, might be cheap but never had a decent pint in one yet, breakfasts usually good value though!
As for the food well you can all see the price list before ordering, and Whitby is no better and no worse than any other place. Personally a superb fish, mushy peas and a rake of chips for less than a fiver represents good value to me, especially taking into account the frozen reconstituted shite that you get inland for well over a fiver in many places, cooked in fat that probably once ran a small car, or does it just taste that way normally??
Bearing in mind that most people have a week of FREE entertainment what's the bloody problem?
Peter.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 09:39 AM

Ray, I think I would be correct to say that the RNLI do not want to be a government institution, there is enough bureaucracy already without having civil service and government involvement


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 10:25 AM

Theakston's Dark £1 65 a pint in the Conservative Club.
Deuchar's is a good beer, and expensive too in most places, £2 90 here in the wilds of highland Scotland.
Time was that beer in an off licence was a couple of pence cheaper than beer bought in the pub.
It's not the off sales prices that have gone up is it?

JM


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 11:19 AM

I paid around £7 a time for cocktails in the Marine Hotel Bar. Excellent they were, too, as was the seafood tempura.

I recommend the chocolate martinis.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 12:13 PM

Wrong world


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 01:15 PM

But...I was there for Whitby FF too!

For the record, the meal at Green's on the Friday evening was rather fab as well. As was the fish and chips at Trenchers.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: r.padgett
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 01:45 PM

Sheesh

us bus passed it gets harder to afford all this!

Joking of course!!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Betsy
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 07:10 PM

Love your comments Ruth but Im with John McKenzie on THATone !!!
Maybe Dick Greenhaus showed me the way - not once did he mention a Pub, they were all Clubs ,and as most of us know clubs have a different pricing regime for all sorts of reasons ,mostly the Breweries are not able to screw the Clubs. The Clubs would simply tell them to F8ck off which a Pub landlord almost certainly cannot do.
I have no doubt in my mind that loads of Pubs in Whitby are selling good class beer at sensible prices, I just get the feeling ....Oh shit I'm going round in circles.
Thanks for well mannered,and informed opinions - I was bit embarrassed about raising the Subject , but I'm glad to have aired it got it of my chest - it was bugging me. I note that on another thread everyone seems to have enjoyed themselves at Whitby 2008 (barring some of the weather)and I hope you are all looking forward to Whitby 2009.
Ossonflags might see ya at the Black Bull bender

Cheers Betsy


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 04:52 AM

"Love your comments Ruth but Im with John McKenzie on THATone !!!"

Well, intriguingly, some twenty-something Whitby Folk Week attenders have just posted their festival pictures on Facebook,which also include photos of taking cocktails at the Marine!

Maybe the nice thing about a place like Whitby is that you can get a good pint at a reasonable price (anything under £3 is reasonable these days, IMHO) at a proper pub like the Station, or have an afternoon of posh cocktails - and pretty much anything in between! My daughter is especially fond of the chocolate coffins from Justin's sweet shop, as it happens...

There will always be folkies who bring along their own placcy box of sarnies and a flask of coffee to a festival - but there are also folkies who look at festivals as their hols and like to push the boat out a bit. Surely it's not another world - just different parts of the same one.

I have a friend who lives in Whitby, so I visit a few times each year. I think it's one of the most vibrant towns in England, with a colourful range of people and unique little businesses, and a wonderful village-y feel - everyone seems to know everyone else. Moreover, everyone seems to accept everyone else exactly as they are. It is a great environment for a folk festival.

I wouldn't change it for the world. Another marguerita and a plate of oysters, barman!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 07:02 AM

Just an update re prices it's been £2.40 - £2.60 in the pubs in Shrewsbury, £2.60 on site. Also talking to a local Whitby lad re wholesale prices of beer you can get discounts and pay £60 for a 9 gallon barrell (72 pints) but pubs like the Endeavor are forced to pay upwards of £120 for the same beer !!! One of the pubco's approached a local relatively successfull brewery said they would have all they could brew at full capacity but quoted what they would pay the brewery owner said if he had accepted they would have gone bust !!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Tyke
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 07:28 AM

firkin the pubco's are firkin everyone! Hic!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Watt Tyler
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 12:59 PM

Why do men on Mudcat only talk about beer! So very sad!

Watt


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: early
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 08:45 PM

I know quite a few folk festival goers who never got a ticket and limited their activities to the pubs and fringe events. the policy of limiting camping to season ticket holders and stewards without the second campsite which was open to all at a reasonable cost has I feel had an impact on numbers attending over the last few years, not to mention the loss of the plough as the hub of the fringe. those pubs which always had music are much the same as before but I managed to walk round the town on Saturday without seeing too many festival goers and in years gone by that was pretty much impossible to do


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 06:05 AM

> Just got back from Whitby this afternoon.
> Beer prices are stupid, we won't be going again, can't afford (as pensioners) to do so.
> Petrol prices, fish & chips, and beer are prohibitive.
: Just back from Whitby & must admit the prices are HIGH. [...]
: Parking £6.50
: Only visited 1 day as with wife & child it is beyond my resources.

Both of you can afford to run CARS and you're moaning about paying normal city centre prices for a pint? Some kind of hard up that is.

Sell the fucking motor and get a life.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: ossonflags
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 06:11 AM

Going up on Friday Betsy


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 08:56 AM

We're still here. The weather is beautiful today. I had to go down to the sorting office to collect the 3 auction CDs that Reggie Miles sent me here so we had a late breakfast in Arbut's cafe [as recommended by Eileen knowles :-) ]. I really enjoyed it and it was good value too.

The bonus was that the pay machine at the Skinner Street parking lot was not working so we got free parking.

I love Whitby.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: John Routledge
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 09:53 AM

To get Whitby prices into perspective the YHA hostel beside the Abbey (199 steps) charges £22.95p per person per night in a dorm. This includes breakfast which can be good, no chores and 24 Hr access!!

Space available 2009 Folk Week ...........end of Advert


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: rodentred
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:48 AM

Well just back from Towersey and the beer there was £2.90 or £3.00 so it makes Whitby look cheap I guess (with the exception of the bottle of Black Sheep I got in the yacht club that they charged me £3.15 for).

Tried the takeaway fish and chips from the Magpie and very nice they were as well.

Great singarounds in the Station, and so much better now the room is smoke free.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 10:45 AM

Watt, If it's any consolation I rarely drink beer and even less speak about it ........................... I prefer Guinness or Cider


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 11:04 AM

Shut up, and drink your beer!


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,c.g.
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:02 AM

"can someone please tell me one pub/ town based festival where pubs actually change their pricing policy for a festival"

Sidmouth.


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Subject: RE: Whitby and the golden egg
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 11:58 AM

In response to Cath's comment re Musicport moving to Brid, I am a regular attendee at this tremendous festival and I think the reasons for moving were more than purely financial. I do not know the whole story but I believe that Musicport were trying to develop an additional venue in Whitby but this did not work out (after considerable time and expense). This coincided with the redevloment of Brid spa who presumably made Musicport an offer they could not refuse to move to this new venue which will presumably offer more space and comfort than the Whitby Spa. I will desperately miss going to Whitby for Musicport as the service and atmosphere at the spa were tremendous but hopefully the new venue will offer the same but with more seats!

Luckily this year I will be returning to the New Year sessios at Whitby after a break of more years than I would have wished so hopefully I will see many of you there.

I'm glad Jim corrected the statement that Wetherspoons buy their beer at the last minute just before it goes off. This must be the most irritating modern myth going round at the moment presumably started by some bright spark at a rival pubco's marketing dept. Wetherspoons has its faults but in some places it is the only pub where you have a reasonable chance of getting a decent pint in pleasantish surroundings.

Cheers from sunny (ha ha) Bradford!


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