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Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied

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OH, HOW HE LIED
SMOKED HIS CIGAR


GUEST,Fleabag 07 May 09 - 04:00 PM
Amos 23 Apr 09 - 02:27 AM
GUEST,Whitney 23 Apr 09 - 12:27 AM
JennieG 29 Mar 09 - 07:45 PM
Rowan 29 Mar 09 - 01:32 AM
Rowan 29 Mar 09 - 01:29 AM
Joe Offer 28 Mar 09 - 08:04 PM
Steve Gardham 28 Mar 09 - 07:58 PM
JennieG 28 Mar 09 - 07:47 PM
JeffB 28 Mar 09 - 09:00 AM
Jim Dixon 27 Mar 09 - 07:55 PM
Joe Offer 26 Mar 09 - 02:58 PM
GUEST,jeanette liverpool 26 Mar 09 - 12:04 PM
GUEST,here ya go! 21 Feb 09 - 11:32 PM
Dave Bryant 24 Jan 03 - 11:22 AM
GUEST,Paul Spencer 24 Jan 03 - 07:39 AM
Barbara 04 Jun 99 - 01:49 AM
Alice 04 Jun 99 - 12:39 AM
campfire 03 Jun 99 - 09:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: GUEST,Fleabag
Date: 07 May 09 - 04:00 PM

My nan used to sing this to me when I was small, I remember it being

She sat in her hammock and played her guitar
He sat down beside her and smoked a cigar
She said that she loved him and oh how she sighed
He said that he loved her but oh how he lied
They were to be married but she upped and died
He went to her funeral but just for the ride
He sat on her tombstone and laughed 'til he cried
The tombstone fell over and thats how he died
The vicar was passing and popped him inside
She went to heaven and flip flap she flied
He went to t'other place and frizzled and fried
The moral of this story is never tell lies....

I still sing it now with my guitar, when I'm in the hammock in the garden hee hee but it's sooooo darn long!!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: Amos
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 02:27 AM

Burl Ives recorded a version which just recites "There once was a lady who played a guitar...", no particular location.

The melody is simple, and has only two chords--the tonic and the dominant 7th.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: GUEST,Whitney
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 12:27 AM

I remember my aunt use to sing this song when she would come over I loved it the only difference though was..

She sat by her window and played her guitar
He went to her funeral on his motorbike
The moral of this story is never to lie


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: JennieG
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 07:45 PM

I have remembered - we sang "She sat by the window and played her guitar".

Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: Rowan
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 01:32 AM

While I don't know the composer of the tune (or the author of the words in their original form), the tune we sang to bears no resemblance to the tune we used for "Oh dear, what can the matter be"; the scansion is different as well.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: Rowan
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 01:29 AM

As we sang it in Melbourne, also in the 40s and 50s, it went

She sat in her garden and played her guitar
He sat down beside her and smoked his cigar
He told her he loved her but oh how he lied
She said she loved him but she did not lie
And then they got married but she up and died
He went to the funeral but just for the ride
He sat on her tombstone and laughed 'til he cried
The tombstone split open and he fell inside
He went to Hades and sizzled and fried
She went to heaven and flip-flop, she flied
The moral of this song is don't smoke cigars!

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 08:04 PM

Apparently, Lanner was hot stuff in Vienna in his time. He was a competed against the Strauss family in the waltz business, and performed constantly at the Prater amusement park and in town.
Alas, flip-flop he flied and was soon forgotten.
Strauss must have had better business sense...or maybe better music?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:58 PM

It may well be a composed waltz, but it resembles pretty closely 'Oh dear what can the matter be?'


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: JennieG
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:47 PM

I remember singing this song in Tamworth (NSW country town) in the 60s, but I can't for the life of me remember where she sat - it was possibly 'neath the lilacs. I seem to remember
"She went up to heaven and flip flip she flied" and
"He went down below and he frizzled and fried".

So many years and so many songs later, I'm a bit hazy on what we actually sang.

Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: JeffB
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 09:00 AM

We sang this version in Queensland in the 1950s :-

She sat on a tuffet and played her guitar
He sat down beside her and smoked his cigar
He told her he loved her but oh how he lied
And then they got married but shortly she died
He went to the funeral just for the ride
He sat on her tombstone and laughed til he cried
The tombstone split open and he fell inside
He went to Old Nick and sizzled and fried
She went to heaven and flip-flop, she flied
The moral of the story is - don't tell a lie!


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:55 PM

From Bulletin of the American Library Association, Volume IV, No. 5, September, 1910, "Proceedings of the Масkinас Island Conference," subheading "The Post-Conference Trip" by F. W. F.:

College songs on some evenings furnished amusement for the younger members of the party, and doubtless helped to lull to sleep the rest. Especially pleasing was that little ditty—heard here by many of us for the first time—the plot of which was something as follows:

She sat in her hammock and played the guitar.
He sat beside her and smoked a cigar.
He told her he loved her, but Oh! how he lied!
She said she believed him, but 'm, 'm, she didn't.
They were to be married, but she up and died.
He went to the funeral, but just for the ride.
She went to Heaven, and flip-flop she flied.
He went to Hades, and sis-sis he fried.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 02:58 PM

I wonder what the name of the melody/tune/air is - it sure feels familiar. Meredith/Covell/Brown (Folk Songs of Australia, Volume 2, pages 130-131) notes that the tune for this is derived from "The Evening Stars," a waltz by Joseph Franz Karl Lanner (1801-1843, a contemporary -and competitor- of Johann Strauss) - but I don't know any tunes by Joseph Franz Karl Lanner, whoever HE is. Meredith/Covell/Brown say that other variants of this waltz are played by Joe Cashmere as "The Orphan Boy" and by Mick Pilley as "I've Got a Saviour That's Mighty to Keep."
Here's the Traditional Ballad Index entry (which spells Lanner's name wrong):

Oh, How He Lied

DESCRIPTION: An "old villain" sits by a girl and smokes his cigar. She plays her guitar. "He told her he loved her but oh how he lied." They agree to marry, "but she up and died." She goes to heaven, he to hell ("sizzle, he fried"), listeners are warned against lies
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1928 (recording, Joe Foss & his Hungry Sand Lappers)
KEYWORDS: courting marriage music death lie Hell humorous
FOUND IN: US Australia
REFERENCES (4 citations):
Meredith/Covell/Brown, pp. 130-131, "Don't Tell a Lie" (1 text, 1 tune)
Pankake-PHCFSB, p. 257, "She Sat on Her Hammock" (1 text)
Silber-FSWB, p. 31, "Oh, How He Lied" (1 text)
DT, HELIED*

Roud #13621
RECORDINGS:
Joe Foss & his Hungry Sand Lappers, "Oh How She Lied" (Columbia 15268-D, 1928)
Pete Seeger, "Oh How He Lied" (on PeteSeeger31)

NOTES: Meredith/Covell/Brown notes that the tune for this is a waltz by Joseph Franz Karl Lanner. - RBW
File: FSWB031B

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The Ballad Index Copyright 2014 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle.


You'll find a great recording of this on the Pete Seeger American Favorite Ballads box set, coming out April 21.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: GUEST,jeanette liverpool
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 12:04 PM

hello, i learned this at girl giudes years ago, the tune i know was same as Guest 21 feb, except for second verse, the version i know is

A MAN SAT BESIDE HER AND SMOKED A CIGAR, NOT HE?
made up to revist these old folk tunes, i did perfom this age 10 or eleven for my family, doing all the actions along with it, this was at home, belive me, the reaction to this was that nerly everyone laughed till they cried, seeing this bit of a kid acting out this song, and taking it all so seriously


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: Oh How He Lied
From: GUEST,here ya go!
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 11:32 PM

Never tell lies

She sat 'neath the lilacs and played her guitar,
Played her guitar, played her guitar.
She sat 'neath the lilacs and played her guitar,
Played her guitar ha-ha-ha.

He sat down beside her and smoked his cigar,
Smoked his cigar, smoked his cigar.
He sat down beside her and smoked his cigar,
Smoked his cigar ha-ha-ha.

He said that he loved her but oh how he lied,
Oh how he lied, oh, how he lied.
He said that he loved her but oh how he lied,
Oh how he lied ide-ide-ide.

They were to be married but somehow she died,
Somehow she died, somehow she died.
They were to be married but somehow she died,
Somehow she died ide-ide-ide.

He went to the funeral just for the ride,
Just for the ride, just for the ride.
He went to the funeral just for the ride,
Just for the ride ide-ide-ide.

He sat on the tombstone and laughed till he cried,
Laughed till he cried, laughed till he cried.
He sat on the tombstone and laughed till he cried,
Laughed till he cried ide-ide-ide.

The tombstone fell on him and squish-squash he died,
Squish-squash he died, squish-squash he died.
The tombstone fell on him and squish-squash he died,
Squish-squash he died ide-ide-ide.

She went to heaven and fluttered and flied,
Fluttered and flied, fluttered and flied.
She went to heaven and fluttered and flied,
Fluttered and flied ide-ide-ide.

He went to t'other place and frizzled and fried,
Frizzled and fried, frizzled and fried.
He went to t'other place and frizzled and fried,
Frizzled and fried ide-ide-ide.

Now the moral of this story is never tell lies,
Never tell lies, never tell lies.
Now the moral of this story is never tell lies,
Never tell lies ies-ies-ies.


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Subject: RE: Help with a Song: She sat 'neath the Lilacs
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 11:22 AM

I wonder if it's related to

"She sits among the cabbages and peas".


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Subject: RE: Help with a Song: She sat 'neath the Lilacs
From: GUEST,Paul Spencer
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 07:39 AM

I know a few of the later verses, including:

He (something, something) and laughed till he cried, laughed till he cried, etc.

The tombstone fell on him and squish-squash he died...

She went up to heaven and flip-flap she flied....

He went to the other place and frizzled and fried...

And I vaguely know the tune, which I wil try to render in Do Re Mi or ABC format next time.


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Subject: RE: Help with a Song: She sat 'neath the Lilacs
From: Barbara
Date: 04 Jun 99 - 01:49 AM

Interestin'. My mom sang this one, and in her version, it was:
He sat in the hammock and smoked his cigar
She sat down beside him and played her guitar

Then it's the same until the wedding where:
Then they got married and boo-hoo she cried
He fed her on ground glass, and she up'n died.
He went to her funeral, but just for the ride.
The he took a fever and he also died.

In Mom's version, he went to Hades, and I don't remember a moral about not lying.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Help with a Song: She sat 'neath the Lilacs
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jun 99 - 12:39 AM

sr, the lyrics you are looking for are in the Women's Song Circle, on the post of 18-Sep-97, submitted by Speed-1. click here
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Thread #2801   Message #12461
Posted By: Speed-1
18-Sep-97 - 01:07 AM
Thread Name: Women's Song Circle
Subject: Lyr Add: OH, HOW HE LIED
How about this under the category of girl falls for boy, boy turns out to be a slug, boy gets his. (Excuse my space bar, either it doesn't work, or puts out two spaces!)

She sat 'neath the lilacs and played her guitar,
Played her guitar, played her guitar.
She sat 'neath the lilacs and played her guitar,
Played her "Gi - tah - hah - hah - har"

He sat down beside her and smoked his cigar,
Smoked his cigar, smoked his cigar,
He sat down beside her and smoked his cigar,
Smoked his "Ci - gah - hah - hah - har"

She said that she loved him and Oh, how she sighed!
Oh, how she sighed! Oh, how she sighed!
She said that she loved him and Oh, how she sighed!
Oh, how she "Si - hi - hi - hi'd"

He said that he loved her, but Oh, how he lied!
Oh, how he lied! Oh, how he lied!
He said that he loved her, but Oh, how he lied!
Oh, how he "Lie - eye - eye - eyed"

They were to be married but She up and died,
She up and died, She up and died,
They were to be married but She up and died,
She up and "die - eye - eye - eyed"

He went to the funeral, but just for the ride,
Just for the ride, Just for the ride.
He went to the funeral, but just for the ride,
Just for the "Ri-eye-eye-eyed"

He sat by her tombstone and Laughed 'til he cried,
Laughed 'til he cried, Laughed 'til he cried,
He sat by her tombstone and Laughed 'til he cried,
Laughed 'til he cried.

The tombstone fell over, and Squish, Squash he died,
Squish, Squash he died, Squish, Squash he died
The tombstone fell over, and Squish, Squash he died,
Squish, squash, he "Die-eye-eye-eyed"

The moral of this tune is "Don't tell a lie",
"Don't tell a lie", "Don't tell a lie",
The moral of this tune is "Don't tell a lie",
"Don't tell a 'Lie-eye-eye-eye!'"

Speed


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Subject: RE: Help with a Song: She sat 'neath the Lilacs
From: campfire
Date: 03 Jun 99 - 09:55 PM

There are actually two versions of this song right in the data base, but neither of them has her sitting " 'neath the lilacs". That threw me off, at first. Go to the Digital Tradition Search box at the top of the main page and type in "[smoked his cigar]" without the quotes. You'll get a choice of "Smoked His Cigar" and "Oh How He Lied" - basically the same song with a few variations. Your version, having her in 'neath the lilacs instead of him in his hammock is just one more...ain't folk music grand!

The version my grandmother did, and now my father does, is bits and pieces of both, with new verses made up when there's a good group 'round the campfire. Enjoy!

campfire


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Subject: RE: Help with a Song: She sat 'neath the Lilacs
From: campfire
Date: 02 Jun 99 - 11:22 PM

I'm pretty sure my father sings this one. I'll e-mail him and see if I can get the rest. Athough I think as he does it, people in the crowd get a chance to make up verses, too, and he "keeps" the good ones.

campfire


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Subject: Help with a Song: She sat 'neath the Lilacs
From: sr
Date: 02 Jun 99 - 10:36 PM

I've been trying to find the words and music to a children's folk song. The name I do not know but the song begins with "She sat 'neath the lilacs and played her guitar, played her guitar, played her guitar...." and goes on to tell the story of a courter who joins her but is ultimately rejected. Any ideas? Thanks.


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