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Folk clubs in Kent

melodeonboy 15 Dec 11 - 10:19 AM
GUEST,FloraG 15 Dec 11 - 03:47 AM
Richard Bridge 14 Dec 11 - 02:02 PM
GUEST,FloraG 14 Dec 11 - 03:15 AM
GUEST,bob 13 Dec 11 - 03:50 AM
GUEST,bob 20 Oct 11 - 02:50 AM
Richard Bridge 10 Oct 11 - 01:10 PM
GUEST,bob 10 Oct 11 - 12:19 PM
GUEST 10 Oct 11 - 04:17 AM
Girl Friday 30 Sep 11 - 02:28 PM
GUEST,Dibbs in defence of a good man! 30 Sep 11 - 05:35 AM
Richard Bridge 22 Sep 11 - 11:00 AM
melodeonboy 22 Sep 11 - 10:43 AM
Richard Bridge 22 Sep 11 - 07:56 AM
GUEST,Wee Jock 22 Sep 11 - 07:26 AM
Girl Friday 22 Sep 11 - 07:18 AM
Rob Naylor 22 Sep 11 - 05:51 AM
The Barden of England 21 Sep 11 - 05:39 PM
Richard Bridge 21 Sep 11 - 05:29 PM
Will Fly 21 Sep 11 - 04:50 PM
GUEST, Poxicat 21 Sep 11 - 04:24 PM
Richard Bridge 21 Sep 11 - 04:08 PM
melodeonboy 21 Sep 11 - 02:58 PM
Rob Naylor 21 Sep 11 - 09:45 AM
Girl Friday 21 Sep 11 - 09:26 AM
Rob Naylor 21 Sep 11 - 09:19 AM
Girl Friday 21 Sep 11 - 09:15 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 21 Sep 11 - 08:41 AM
GUEST,Wee Jock 21 Sep 11 - 06:03 AM
Richard Bridge 21 Sep 11 - 05:02 AM
GUEST,bob 20 Sep 11 - 11:28 PM
GUEST,FloraG 17 Sep 11 - 04:22 AM
Stilly River Sage 16 Sep 11 - 03:33 PM
GUEST,STM 16 Sep 11 - 02:04 PM
GUEST,Bluesman 16 Sep 11 - 11:48 AM
Abdul The Bul Bul 16 Sep 11 - 10:25 AM
melodeonboy 16 Sep 11 - 07:18 AM
GUEST, Richard Bridge 16 Sep 11 - 05:52 AM
melodeonboy 16 Sep 11 - 04:31 AM
GUEST, Richard Bridge 16 Sep 11 - 03:39 AM
GUEST,FloraG 16 Sep 11 - 03:15 AM
GUEST,bob 15 Sep 11 - 12:51 PM
Richard Bridge 15 Sep 11 - 12:07 PM
GUEST,bob 15 Sep 11 - 11:23 AM
Richard Bridge 15 Sep 11 - 07:28 AM
GUEST,Dibbs 15 Sep 11 - 07:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 15 Dec 11 - 10:19 AM

"both pushed up to G to let others the more readily join in."

I bet you only did that 'cos I wasn't there with my melodeon!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 15 Dec 11 - 03:47 AM

Bob Kenwood is always good value and Lyndsay's singing is coming along splendidly. She took the lead in a song at our gig last night and got a very good audience reception.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 02:02 PM

I can safely say that last night in the Good Intent was not at all boring. Bob Kenward had the tears of laughter running down the chairlegs, and his fiddle player Steve was a delight to hear. Lyndsey Rule gave a stunning rendition as the last but one song of the evening of Chris Wood's "England in Ribbons" - all three bar people hanging over the bar to listen with wistful expressions in a totally silenced room. Brian Carter and Steve gave a spectacular improvised rendition of "Summertime" as a tune, and Brian and Marion Rodgers were also on top form.

Come to that I thought my 12-string was roaring a bit on "Bonnie Lass of Anglesey" and "Good King Arthur's days" - both pushed up to G to let others the more readily join in.

And the Timothy Taylor's Landlord was wonderful and only £2.80 per pint.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 03:15 AM

Dartford had a really good night last night with Phill Beer and guests Miranda and Rex.
They have a nice room, low cost beer and now have plenty of nearby parking for £1. They have a paid guest each week so limited floor spots.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 13 Dec 11 - 03:50 AM

goodness me this forum is duller than most folk songs(if thats possible)!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 02:50 AM

yawwwwwwnnnn.....


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Oct 11 - 01:10 PM

May I fire the first shot?


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 10 Oct 11 - 12:19 PM

ohh yes well spoken mr or mrs wolf!I find same whilst being only an occasional performer, one singaround performer can bog the whole thing down on a long winded version of a song and not always trad folk-bob(on and on and on and on and on and on)dylan songs that truthfully most normal mortals havnt a clue of what its about can be shortened and sound acceptable-example,the Birds doing mr tamborine man made a great song by cutting it to acceptable length,im sure bob(my namesake)dylans version is great to die hard dylan people but come on, this is a singaround not a guiness world record attempt at longest song known to mankind!It does make it unfair to others present hoping to get one more in so to speak,other offenders are the paper rustling trads reading a folk song from numerous sheets of paper,verse after verse after.......verse,the rustling then gives them a breather to find next 10 verses on another sheet,please lord,no more!!!!!As wolf said its a singaround,not a featured guest spot thats the problem-id say take note culprits and I now run for cover as the flack starts.....!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Oct 11 - 04:17 AM

The Wolf I regularly go to various folk clubs and my greatest bugbear is that the word? is the length of some songs sung at singarounds. In my view if someone is headlining they are entitled to do what they like to fill their time with chat and long songs. However in my view when other people are waiting to sing it is up to the co-ordinator to limit the length of songs within reason for the good of all so that as many people are heard as possible. Do people have any views as to how this can be done wolf


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Girl Friday
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 02:28 PM

Wee Jock.. has not been split asunder..... they'd be extrmely wee Jocks would they not ? Probably just big enough for leprechaun !

Neither, has he been cloned.... Johnny Mathews is considerably taller, and is always accompanied by his Guide Dog, Kathy .


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Dibbs in defence of a good man!
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 05:35 AM

Hmmmm..............unto him that flingeth brickbats at Mr. Mathews I say the aforementioned Scot is not only passionate about his music and a meticulous performer but unfailingly courteous and friendly/chatty to other performers.
Desist Sir or in the words of Melodeonboy "Wotcher!!"


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 11:00 AM

Pile them up, one on top of the other, and save him standing on a chair...


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 10:43 AM

Two Wee Jocks? Now that does sound worrying!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 07:56 AM

If you drink enough you get to see double...


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Wee Jock
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 07:26 AM

Girl Friday

Is there more than one of me, i cannot remember being split in two, if i was what one am i,and when was it i must be told, i am so confused, but not in pain.

Regards

Wee Jock aka John Matthews


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Girl Friday
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 07:18 AM

Mr Murderer of Shirts- we are talking about Johhnny Mathews aren't we ?

The other one's good, but he has no Y and only one T !


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 05:51 AM

John...Absolutely! She has this weird idea that she can't sing, but the few times I've heard her she's been a pleasure to listen to.

Once she develops a bit of self-confidence (rich, coming from someone who turns into a quivering jelly every time I play in front of an audience) she'll be a force to be reckoned with!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: The Barden of England
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 05:39 PM

I know Sinéad well, and she is well versed in what we do - more than many of you know in fact. Her points are valid, and that's coming from a 66 year old who can bore with the best.
Where I disagree with her is that she cannot sing - the lady protesteth too much IMHO.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 05:29 PM

Used in folk (see 1954 definition) since their invention in probably (a guess) Victorian times.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 04:50 PM

Autoharps are very folky, quite authentic

Authentic, Richard? Please define 'authentic' while I run for cover... :-)


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST, Poxicat
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 04:24 PM

Some of the grumping may be personal


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 04:08 PM

And the beer...


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 02:58 PM

It's always a pleasure to hear John Matthews. Technical excellence, well-chosen material and a real passion for the music.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 09:45 AM

GF: I love it when I see Johny sitting there as I come through the door, because I know that we'll get some decent "trad" and that maybe I'll be able to sneak in something a bit more contemporary :-)

And Rachael also adds a lot to the mix...loved her version of "Crazy Man Michael" on Monday.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Girl Friday
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 09:26 AM

Well put, Rob


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 09:19 AM

Stilly river Sage: Sinéad: tried to read up top, but most of it just seems like boring old crap coming from generally grumpy people.

Stilly River Sage: And you sound like an uppity 19-year-old! Welcome to mudcat, but keep in mind those grumpy people you're complaining about may be in a position to do you a favor one day.


Sinéad's been posting here for quite some time!!! And she's not uppity at all, but from my odd encounter with her in real life she very much hides her light under a bushel. A lot of what's posted above DOES sound like "boring old crap coming from generally grumpy people"...I agree with her entirely there, and I'm 56! I think one reason many folk venues are so short of youngsters is the patronising attitude they encounter from some of the "more mature" attendees.

Sinéad's open-minded enough to say that she enjoyed the Seven Stars, even though it isn't "trad" enough for her, whereas a lot of the posters above seem so set in their ways that they refuse to have anythingto do with something outside their "comfort zone".


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Girl Friday
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 09:15 AM

Thanks Sinead for mentioning Seven Stars (Crayside Folk Club). I am sorry that it is not traditional enough for you, but we have a very good mix, in which trad figures fairly highly, since the arrival of Johnny (not Little Legs/Wee Jock) , Mathews. Please come and sing with us again. It's good to know that you, at least, have found a venue that young people like going to , and that they are enjoying the traditional stuff. Remember, what you hear at singarounds is determined by who turns up ro sing.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 08:41 AM

""We are getting there. Please keep going. How about 'Sic Transit'""

"Sic Transit" are definitely up for that Simon, as is "Poetry Bird".

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Wee Jock
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 06:03 AM

Sinead

Re your review of fav singaround, one of the most welcomimg is the
Good Intent in Rochester, which is on three Tuesdays a month, the 1st & 3rd being a singaround, the 2nd, being a Concert Night featuring many local artists. Dean and myself have done a couple of concert nights there. The type of music varies from Trad to contemporary, to self penned and also tunes. It would be really good to see and hear you sing.

Cheers

Wee Jock (one half of Border Crossing )


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 05:02 AM

Autoharps are very folky, quite authentic, but are VERY hard to keep in tune - lots and lots of very short strings with primitive piano-style tuning pegs that need precise equal temperament tuning - and because the strings are short, tiny changes in temperature (or humidity, which affects the wood) create havoc, and because there are so many strings, retuning is not a task to be approached with equanimity.

Out of tune they sound horrid, so the poor autoharpist really needs to tune at the last second before performing.

They are hard to mic or to put a contact pickup on because they are quiet and the bodies don't vibrate much.

They sound best played with steel guitarists' claws picking at the strings, and then they can sound quite like a harp. The picking does not need to be very precise because the bars of the autoharp mute the unwanted strings. My late wife Jacqui Walker whom some of you may remember used sometimes to play that way.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 20 Sep 11 - 11:28 PM

what is mudcatters view on things like autoharps?Bit of a mechanical way of making music some say,I quite like the sound if they are in tune and even seen them plugged in-is that a passable folky thing?


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 17 Sep 11 - 04:22 AM

Sinead
It is lovely to hear from you. Most of us skim read - and mudcat can get a bit inward looking.

Some of the best sing arounds in kent are the singing morris sides. Look out for their programmes - the dancing out usually starts around May, but the venues are different each week. With Bishop Gundulf the singing would start at about 9.30. We did some collective tunes - usually the dance ones - so the less confident players could learn the tunes. We then asked all individuals who wanted to perform to do a turn including guests - and we also did some community songs - things like dirty old town - where everybody knew the words and they were played in melodeon friendly keys. It did not matter who started these - as all who wished could join in.   

I think the height of BGs music success was when one of the youngsters said ' I cant play with you next year Flora'. Whys that then? ' I'm off to the Mehnuin School.''

Also try the Rainham club on the first 3 Fridays of each month. Its next to Rainham station at the Oast - upstastairs in the bar. More of an open mike set up but not usually with mikes. A good way to start the weekend. They also have very good raffles.

At the same venue is an Americanna night - First and third Wednesdays - with the open mike set up. You can get there by train - Canterbury -London line and there is some parking behind the Oast. Hope to meet you some time.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:33 PM

I tried to read up top, but most of it just seems like boring old crap coming from generally grumpy people.

And you sound like an uppity 19-year-old! Welcome to mudcat, but keep in mind those grumpy people you're complaining about may be in a position to do you a favor one day.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,STM
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 02:04 PM

Right, hi, it's Sinéad here...some of you I know, some of you I don't, so hello to all. I'm the 19 year old girl with red hair who always tries to sing but never quite manages it due to tuning...incase you need reminding!

Back to the thread.

I tried to read up top, but most of it just seems like boring old crap coming from generally grumpy people.

For anyone looking for a session/singaround in Kent, my favourites include:

"The Greyhound" in Maidstone= every 2nd and 4th Monday a singaround would take place in The Greyhound pub in Maidstone, since it has been knocked down the singarounds now take place in the Swan on the 2nd Monday and the Old House at Home on the 4th Monday. This singaround is welcoming, well attended, balanced with tunes, shanties and songs (generally they go in a circle and everyone sings a song and at the end of the circle will be a tune set...they generally go around about twice or thrice and end with chorus songs and shanties. This is a well balanced mixed of ages and abilities- about half the people are my age (19-30) and the other half are 35+ ... some are very good, some are still beginning, there's a lot of trad songs but occasionally some singer songwriter/amerciana too. Free chilli/stew on the 4th Monday!

Faversham folk club= again, a welcoming club but slightly more formal than the above. £1 entry, every Wednesday. Mostly trad. singing with the occasional poem. Some very good performers and some beginners. They hold a guest night once a month and have had acts such as the Askew Sisters, Martin Simpson, etc.

Seven Stars= bit of a trek for me but I enjoyed the welcoming atmostphere. Not trad enough for my taste but some talented musicians. Never had a problem with background noise/people.

My two cents.
Sinéad.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 11:48 AM

I was visiting friends in otford last year, we attended the Otford Folk Dance Club. great people and a wonderful evening was had by all.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 10:25 AM

So, was there any agreement on the best reg'lar singaround in Kent?
Ash is a contender, Lower Stoke must have a chance although it's not 'year round', Bobs' Woodshed Sessions are on the short list shirley.
Al


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 07:18 AM

Wotcher, cock!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:52 AM

Tu quoque


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 04:31 AM

I find myself slightly amused by the above average grumpy content of this thread! :)


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:39 AM

There is some tradition of songs which make no sense, a well known example being Nottamun Town, and another being the Cutty Wren.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:15 AM

I like a song to have a narrative. Ok - maybe 30 dead foxhounds and one live fox is a bit morbid - but tell me how the fox did it - not how he felf about it.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 12:51 PM

got to be a few feelbad clubs about,doom and gloom,wristslashing facilities at hand,whoa is me!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 12:07 PM

I have the answer. Guest Bob can organise a place for people to play jiggy-jiggy feelgood music on banjos and melodeons (why do they always sound like Nellie the Elephant?) and the rest of us can criticise that. There is absolutely NO WAY you'd get me to a club with a "feelgood" policy (unless it was Dr Feelgood).


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 11:23 AM

flora G makes some good points,melodin boy should sort out mr bridge,cheeky bugger insulting his melodian!Same as the miserable sods who come out with all the anti banjo jokes,that is flamin true as well,invariably they are miserys(different to us grumpys)who have little fun,irish banjo or bluegrass banjo is great,feel good music I think.They should (anti banjo and melodian players)sit in the corner and tell banjo jokes to each other and maybe some "blonde"jokes,even a few melodian jokes,hilarious to them but rather tedious to proper musicians!Did flora mean the teenager type songs we somtimes hear,the self penned dull ones that really have little bite,more in place at gloomy venues rather than folk clubs-maybe I missed the point here,I class them as modern stuff but I am sure there is a better name,remember my dad going on about pop music and all this long hair,maybe I got same traits!grumpy


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:28 AM

1. Just one Bridge, please.
2. It's American time. Simples. Or at least one of the American times. Nearly as simples.
3. Old and grumpy - proudly so. Retired? Not.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,Dibbs
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:24 AM

Sorry the anonymous guest 3 up about "10 points for food in pubs" was Dibbs who forgot to put name!

Question. Why does this site add such ridiculous times to messages? Do people really believe Melodeonboy and I are so sad as to be typing away at 5:30 in the morning?????? It it subterfuge so people cant identify each other i.e Melodeonboy and Mr Bridges must be really old retired codgers of about 70 to be typing away on Mudcat at 12pm- oops have I given away too much information????


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:05 AM

yes - minus 10 for tuning up loudly while someone else is performing, minus 5 for not being ready if turns go round the room and having to re tune - although once was accompanied in a session by Martin Carthy - I think I can forgive him any amount of tuning. I thought it was so nice he joined in with us mortals.

I think food and free beer is less important than a warm welcome from both landlord and locals. Making sure the TV/ juke box / speakers are off if session expected.

Any self penned tuned in the category of teenage angst - whatever age the singer.

Eating crisps.
Oh dear - the list goes on.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 05:35 AM

Agreed - go out to tune or at the very least find a distant corner and face away from the current singer. The nibbles at the Greyhound in Wheeler Street and at the White Horse in Upper (class) Stoke were always very good indeed.


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: melodeonboy
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 05:33 AM

"10 points for landlord/lady who puts out plate(s) of tasty sandwiches at 'half time'. After all we are regularly swelling their coffers with increased drinks sales. Also a natural break gives a chance for chat and NETWORKING WITH OTHERS IS V GOOD. Helps you to empathise even with the less appealing contributors."

Yes, I completely agree! (Chomp, chomp!)


"Naturally I would deduct marks for melodeons - being a guitar player myself."

Oi, you watch it, Mr. Bridge!


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Subject: RE: Folk clubs in Kent
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 05:20 AM

Flora G re points system (in our heads)

10 points for landlord/lady who puts out plate(s) of tasty sandwiches at 'half time'. After all we are regularly swelling their coffers with increased drinks sales. Also a natural break gives a chance for chat and NETWORKING WITH OTHERS IS V GOOD. Helps you to empathise even with the less appealing contributors.

Had forgotton the one about tuning during your go -drives me mad!!!! Such a waste of singing time for others.

Debate on duos and number of turns- if each is a major performer in turn in songs eg they each sing main song in turn, then they should have a song each and supporting each other should be encouraged as long as it's clear who the main contributor is. After all harmonies are great to listen to when you've had a diet of individual performers but you need to aim for two different sounds in 2 songs for entertainment value which you dont get if the same person is doing the singing for instance.


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