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BS: My Oatmeal Exploded

Little Hawk 11 Jul 08 - 12:18 PM
SINSULL 11 Jul 08 - 08:23 AM
Micca 11 Jul 08 - 08:22 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jul 08 - 06:06 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jul 08 - 06:04 AM
Micca 11 Jul 08 - 05:28 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jul 08 - 04:51 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 Jul 08 - 06:15 PM
Lord Batman's Kitchener 10 Jul 08 - 05:36 PM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 10 Jul 08 - 05:22 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jul 08 - 04:51 PM
lady penelope 10 Jul 08 - 04:23 PM
Bee 10 Jul 08 - 02:04 PM
Lord Batman's Kitchener 10 Jul 08 - 02:00 PM
Bee 10 Jul 08 - 01:56 PM
Lord Batman's Kitchener 10 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM
Dave the Gnome 10 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM
Bee 10 Jul 08 - 01:36 PM
lady penelope 10 Jul 08 - 01:11 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jul 08 - 12:35 PM
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Bee 10 Jul 08 - 11:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 12:18 PM

I'm glad you like it, Dave. The oatmeal can absorb a surprisingly large amount of liquid overnight so you will have to experiment with how much milk (or whatever other liquid) to add...and you can always just pour a little more in when it's ready and stir it up with a spoon to get the same effect.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 08:23 AM

So now there are weapons f mass destruction in downtown Portland? Yes - there are many in this office who like to see me swept away by a wall of meal kind of like the Molasses Flood of Boston or the flood in the movie Tidal Wave - did anyone ever see that turkey? Lorne Greene, who was popular at the time for Bonanza, appeared in it for 3 seconds as the American president but adds announced starring Lorne green. It was a low low budget Japanese horror flick. Great scene - at the end the heroine, who was last seen being swept away by a wall of lava as she frantiacally calls her boy friend from a telephone booth,sits in the train taking her to the American west to a refugee camp. The run the train footage forwards and then backwards to make it look like a long train. Hilarious.

Speaking of trains...
Sure Chongo. Sned me your business card. I have a security pass to the office. You can investigate after almost everyone leaves. We are open 24 hours a day so - but that explains it. Someone from tech services tampered with either the microwave or my oatmeal during th night. The real question is why?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Micca
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 08:22 AM

Dave, Your ON!!!! once I get back from various travels!!


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 06:06 AM

...and thanks, Micca. Not seen you for ages - When you coming up here again? I'll treat you to organic oatmeal and any type of milk you like. As well as bacon, sausage, eggs and whatever else you fancy of course:-)

D.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 06:04 AM

Change Hands!

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Micca
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 05:28 AM

Dave, the Key weasel phrase in the text is "The inclusion of at least 25g soya protein a day as part of a diet low in saturated fat can help reduce cholesterol in the blood" This is the way that advertisers use UNPROVEN data to support their cause, if it was verifiable and PROVABLE they would say " Is PROVEN to reduce" they know it dont work for everyone and is not quantifiable, thus the circumlocution in their blurb. It is on a par with orange drinks that say "contains fresh orange juice" Sure it may be one drop per hundred litres but so long as it is verifiable....


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 04:51 AM

Anyway - tried it this morning and very good it was too! Looked a bit dry - maybe I need more milk next time - so I stirred a rhubarb yogurt into it. Thanks for the tip LH. Going to try rice milk, apple juice and ordinary cow juice as well. In turn of course, not mixed!

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 06:15 PM

Well, cor blimey lady P. I must be as daft as Parker. I have read, re-read, read it upside down and inside out and I still cannot get The inclusion of at least 25g soya protein a day as part of a diet low in saturated fat can help reduce cholesterol in the blood to mean anything other than soya protein as part of a low in etc diet helps reduce cholesterol! Seeing as it goes on to say This pack contains 5g per 250ml glass which is one fifth of 25g I can only conclude that drinking a 1250ml carton (which oddly enough the 12.5% extra one is!) will help reduce cholesterol in the blood. It's a bloody lot though - Don't think I could manage it!

I'm not disputing you, honest! But it seems that either -
a) They are telling porkies, in which case the should be taken to task
b) I am misreading it altogether, in which case I need help to understand or
c) You are mistaken about the cholesterol reducing properties of soya - In which case a lot of other 'cholesterol reducing' are in big trouble!

BTW - Oatmeal in itself helps as well. Mine soaking in the fridge, getting ready for breakfast, as we speak:-)

Aha! Just found this -

Previous studies had shown that eating large amounts of soy protein lowered cholesterol. Subsequent research found that soy only minimally reduced LDL ("bad") cholesterol and had no effect on HDL ("good") cholesterol or triglycerides. In addition, this reduction came from eating significant amounts of soy, not the relatively small amounts found in many food products. Separate analysis of soy isoflavones found they had no effect on lowering LDL cholesterol.

Based on its current findings, the AHA committee said it would not recommend soy-based foods and supplements for reducing cholesterol. However, nutrition experts say soy-based foods are still good for you because they contain less saturated fat than meat does and also provide vitamins and minerals.


So the packet is only telling half the truth! Ignore a, b and c above. Make it a bit of truth in the packaging and lots more of the truth in your statement! At least my understanding was OK;-)

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 05:36 PM

Popular Views on Oatmeal Conspiracies? Do I sense a new thread ?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 05:22 PM

Seein' as how your oatmeal exploded, SINSULL, I'm thinkin' there might just be a bit more to that than meets the eye.

Who prepared that oatmeal? Was it imported or domestic oatmeal?    Were you alone at the time? And was the house locked or open? Have you had anyone dust for fingerprints? Do you have any reason to believe that someone might want you dead? If so, who?

What we gotta do here is gather all possible witnesses, check out all theoretical suspects' activities on the day of the crime, gather forensic evidence, look for motive...the usual stuff.

I can spare a bit of my time for this one and my rates are cheap. I'll send you my card, okay? Look under the symbol of the crossed tommy gun and banana for my famous motto...

       *** "Have Banana - Will Peel" ***

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 04:51 PM

Lady Penelope - the idea was not to put apple juice in milk! Good lord. I think it would curdle most horribly.

No, the idea was to soak the oatmeal overnight in apple juice rather than in milk or soya milk or rice milk. This would produce apple juice flavored oatmeal, which I should think would be quite good either hot or cold. It would taste a bit like apple pie or apple turnovers, most likely.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: lady penelope
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 04:23 PM

"From the side of my Alpro carton (12.5% extra free!)

NATURALY LOWERS CHOLESTEROL

Did you know that Alpro soya can help?

The inclusion of at least 25g soya protein a day as part of a diet low in saturated fat can help reduce cholesterol in the blood.
This pack contains 5g per 250ml glass which is one fifth of 25g. This product is also low in saturated fat.

I suppose they can't tell fibs can they?

D. "


Sorry Dave, that doesn't mean soya milk lowers your cholesterol. It just means you're not eating as much in the first place. If you didn't drink the soya milk at all you wouldn't be taking in any extra cholesterol at all! This still wouldn't lower your cholesterol, it would just mean you're not adding to the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Bee
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 02:04 PM

Srius Bee R srius, LBK.

I couldn't really tell your level of seriousness - lots of people become offended if one suggests the eating habits of other cultures are revolting. So I clarified.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 02:00 PM

Oh, you took me seriously...!Now WHO would have imagined that would have happened....?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Bee
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 01:56 PM

LBK, if one's hungry, one doesn't bother waiting three days while starving an animal in order to convince it to do its own job of stuffing. Though I'd be personally revolted by eating a dog, I perfectly understand some people have no such qualms, and are not to be faulted for it. It's the wanton cruelty that's in question in this instance, not the species.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM

"What is wrong with people?"
ummm...hungry?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM

From the side of my Alpro carton (12.5% extra free!)

NATURALY LOWERS CHOLESTEROL

Did you know that Alpro soya can help?

The inclusion of at least 25g soya protein a day as part of a diet low in saturated fat can help reduce cholesterol in the blood.
This pack contains 5g per 250ml glass which is one fifth of 25g. This product is also low in saturated fat.


I suppose they can't tell fibs can they?

D.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Bee
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 01:36 PM

No need to bludgeon! One of these may work.

Recipe 1

Chickpea burgers with Tahini sauce
1 19-ounce can chickpeas, rinsed
4 scallions, trimmed and sliced
1 egg
2 tablespoons all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon chopped fresh oregano
1/2 teaspoon ground cumin
1/4 teaspoon salt
2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
2 6 1/2-inch whole-wheat pitas, halved and warmed, if desired

Tahini sauce
1/2 cup low-fat plain yogurt
2 tablespoons tahini (see Ingredient note)
1 tablespoon lemon juice
1/3 cup chopped flat-leaf parsley
1/4 teaspoon salt

Recipe 2

2 tsp vegetable oil
3 green onions (including tops) chopped
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 tsp each dried oregano and chili powder
1 cup diced sweet red or green pepper and/or ½ cup chopped pickled hot peppers
Half tomato, chopped
1 can (19 oz) chick-peas drained and rinsed
1/3 cup dry bread crumbs
2 tbsp cilantro or parsley, chopped
1. In nonstick skillet, heat 1 tsp of oil over medium heat and cook onions, garlic, oregano and chili powder, stirring, for 2 minutes. Add red pepper and tomato. Cook, stirring for about 3 minutes or until pepper is tender and liquid is evaporated.
2. In food processor, mix pepper mixture with chick-peas; transfer to bowl. Stir in bread crumbs, parsley, and salt and pepper to taste until well combined. Pressing firmly, shape into 4 burgers.
3. In nonstick skillet, heat remaining oil over medium heat and cook burgers for 4 minutes on each side or until heated through.

Recipe 3

4 tbsp olive oil
110g/4oz onion, finely chopped
2 garlic cloves, crushed
1 small dried chilli, crumbled
1 tsp ground cumin
1 tsp ground coriander
¼ tsp ground turmeric
½ lemongrass stalk, finely chopped
200g/7oz chestnut mushrooms, finely chopped
1 lime, juice only
salt and freshly ground black pepper
1 x 400g/14oz can chickpeas, rinsed and drained
75g/3oz fresh breadcrumbs
few drops Tabasco sauce
2 tbsp chopped fresh coriander
Method
1. Heat three tablespoons of the olive oil in a large frying pan and gently fry the onion and garlic for five minutes, stirring frequently, until softened but not coloured.
2. Add the chilli, cumin, coriander, turmeric and lemongrass and cook for three minutes. Add the mushrooms and lime juice and cook for another five minutes, until softened. Season, to taste, with salt and freshly ground black pepper and tip into a large bowl to cool slightly.
3. Place the chickpeas into a bowl and crush with a fork until broken up, but still chunky (or do this in a food processor). Transfer to the large bowl with the mushroom mixture and add the breadcrumbs, Tabasco, coriander, salt and freshly ground black pepper. Mix well with a fork.
4. Sprinkle some flour on a large plate. Flour your hands and shape the mixture into six patties. Wash and re-flour your hands if they get too sticky.
5. Chill the burgers on the plate in the fridge for a few minutes or until needed.
6. Heat the remaining tablespoon of olive oil in a large pan and fry the burgers for 3-4 minutes on each side, or until golden-brown and heated through.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: lady penelope
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 01:11 PM

As far as I'm aware there are no cholesterol lowering properties in soy. It's low in cholesterol, but it doesn't directly affect your cholesterol levels.

And sticking apple juice in milk (even soya milk).... yech!

As for the chick pea based burgers, I'm still trying to bludgeon the bloke what made them for the recipe....


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 12:35 PM

They think they are "gods" and therefore have the right to do anything they want...

Animals must view us with a combination of bafflement, wonder, and/or horror...depending on the situation. If we treat them well, however, they love us.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Bee
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 12:31 PM

Urrgh. Sinsull, I did not need to know that.

Treating any kind of animal cruelly for such a frivolous (or any) reason is disgusting. What is wrong with people?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 12:09 PM

I read a recipe for stuffed dog stomach once. It turned mine.
You starve the dog for days then offer him a huge amount of rice cooked with a variety of spices. Fido stuffs himself to overfull. Then you kill him and cook the stomach.
Revolting to me. Turkeys don't have faces when I stuff them.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Bee
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 11:37 AM

Fat Trannies probably don't care about cholesterol, Dave - just about whether they can find something to wear at Pennington's. ;-D


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 11:20 AM

Thanks LH - I'll give it a try tonight/tomorrow.

Liz - If you think milking a soya bean is hard how do they do a grain of rice? And how many prawn balls does it take to make a decent meal?

Lady P - I use unsweetened Soya milk or, very occasionaly, stuff sweetened with apple juice. I believe it is very good for getting shut of the bad cholestrol (sp?) but I dunno how that fits in with the fat trannies...

D.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Bee
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 10:53 AM

Reason tells me eating a dog is no different than eating a pig or a horse. Having loved a dog and been loved back, eating a dog would seem, irrationally to be sure, no different than cannibalism to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 09:07 AM

They eat entire dogs in parts of Asia, and I believe it's considered to be a delicacy.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 06:55 AM

"curious about dog milk"

Good stuff dog milk... full of vitamins, full of calcium, full of marrowbone jelly....

It tastes the same fresh as it does when it goes off...

Lasts longer than any other milk too... no other bugger'll drink it.

(Sorry, couldn't resist! One of my favourite episodes that is.)

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Bee
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 01:38 AM

Yogurt can be lovely stuff. I really need to start making it again, it's so easy and home-made is very good.

I'd like to find out how to make the kind I got in the Netherlands, though - called Bavarian, I think, very creamy.

If I lived in the Netherlands, I'd be dead of overeating by now - so many foods there that appealed to me! Whoever would have thought of selling, from the local dairy, groats in buttermilk? I don't even like buttermilk, but I loved getting these half litre milk bottles full of goopy goodness! And the awesome cheese shops! The delicate wafers stuffed with thick whipped cream sold on the street by pastry vendors! And that's just the dairy products...


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 12:46 AM

Oh, there are certain cheeses that I love the taste of, Stilly, but I've found that if I eat more than a very small amount of them it ties my system up in knots.

Dairy products in general (milk and cheese) tend to create a lot of mucus in people's systems, and that can contribute to colds, sinus problems, and chronic bowel problems, all due to the buildup of mucus. Same goes for white flower-based foods, white breads, and baked stuff generally. It's not that I don't eat any such stuff, I just try not to eat much of it anymore...or I eat it on rare occasions. My "comfort" food is mostly fresh fruit or dried fruit.

Yogurt on the other hand...my impression of that is that it's pretty good stuff healthwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 12:10 AM

Little Hawk, both of my kids nursed until they were about 2 1/2. The first 6 to 8 months it was exclusively milk, then as food was added nursing was relegated to morning, bedtime, and nap time. By age 2 1/2 it was barely there and easy to stop, but they knew to ask for "milk" when they wanted to nurse.

I had my daughter in the grocery cart seat in the grocery store one day and when we walked past the dairy case she asked what all of those white jugs (!) were. I answered "that's milk." I kid you not, this child did a double take--she looked at the case, she looked at my chest, and back and forth a couple of more times, trying to figure that one out. I took pity on her exploding imagination and explained about cows, and we went from there. But these kids didn't drink cow milk until they were past the mom milk stage, and then we found they had allergies and got a lot of bronchitis and sinus infections until we stopped with the dairy.

We've put cheese and yogurt back into the diet. Too bad about the cheese effect--it is a wonderful food in moderation. Don't waste your time with the average dull stuff. If you can only eat a little, get the really good cheeses.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 12:07 AM

For sure, everyone should eat what makes them feel healthy, and that's not the same for everybody.

I've gone through periods when I ate a vegetarian diet for several months, and I always felt great while I was doing it. Most of the time, though, I eat as an omnivore, and I also feel good doing that, providing I still eat large amounts of vegetables and fruits and I go easy on the heavier stuff and eat not too much of the baked goods and the sugary stuff.

I LOVE seafood. Any kind of seafood. I prefer eating only small amounts of beef occasionally and hardly any pork, but I like chicken a lot.

My mood and my health improves when I don't drink coffee, and don't eat any junk food or fast food, and when I don't eat much deep fried stuff (like french fries) or greasy stuff.

My mood and my health improves when I remember to drink enough water each day.

And getting enough exercise and sunlight and fresh air is a big factor too.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 11:55 PM

When I was a kid, and even now, sometimes, dry oatmeal was a favourite snack...in a cup, eat it with a spoon. Have some water ready when your mouth gets too dry!:-)

Rice milk has a nutty flavour which I really like. I don't do too much tofu, but I don't have a problem with its taste; it really does seem to take on the flavour of whatever I cook it with and it was a good way to add some protein. Now, I am more ltd. on how much protein I take in, so I don't use it any more. I do use soy crumblies for tacos and goulash. Once in awhile I'll have a Bocca burger with sautéed onions and mushrooms.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Rowan
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 11:42 PM

For me, the dairy industry is a crock. As distinct from a churn.

Ah well, to each their own. Lovely Jerseys, chewing their cud, producing milk that is 30% butterfat, were favoured companions when I was young; how I wished (then, not now) that I could clear my nose by poking my tongue right up each nostril, as those Jerseys did.

And I worked the churn to make great butter, although it ached my arms.

And I don't think I'll voluntarily become a vegetarian while a roast leg of two-tooth, impregnated with garlic and rosemary is still available, along with baked onions, potatoes, pumpkin, carrots and parsnip. Being an omnivore is great!

Larger herbivores aren't entirely vegetarians, of course. And swamp wallabies (Wallabia bicolor) are recorded, in the wild, as seeking out dead flesh to consume; friends of mine thought the swampy's meat eating might have been predicted from the different dentition they had from all the other macropods.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Bee
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 10:15 PM

Larger herbivores aren't entirely vegetarians, of course. Mixed in with the four to five hundred pounds of vegetation an elephant consumes daily will be several pounds of beetles, moths, caterpillars, various larvae, mantids, spiders...

And Bambi! Bambi's been caught, in the spring at several locations, not only stealing birds eggs from nests, but eating the nestlings as well!

I think, given a reasonable knowledge of nutrition, it's best to eat what makes you feel healthy. Sometimes that's veggies and grains. Sometimes it's milk and meat.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 09:47 PM

LOL! Yeah, well, I don't remember the exact age it was, and I have no conscious memories of being breast fed at all...I just remember that I liked milk a lot when I was very young, mostly drinking milk from a glass with meals, but I discovered that I didn't like it at all anymore after a certain point, and the transition from liking it to not liking it was pretty definite when it occurred. I link that to the natural process that occurs with all mammals in nature. They start out drinking milk, they end up transitioning to adult animal food.

I think my shift in that sense was instinctual, and probably linked to signals from my nervous system as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 09:16 PM

"...by about the age of 6 or 7 I didn't like it at all anymore... Now that makes sense, because I was coming to the natural age where one is weaned off mother's milk and eating other stuff instead."
Uh, Little Hawk? I'm getting a peculiar picture, here... : )


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 09:13 PM

Yeah, almond milk is good too. The Rice Dream "Original" had absolutely nothing in it but brown rice and water. Period. The sweetness came from the brown rice itself since you can make a very nice sweet syrup from brown rice.

However, they just couldn't leave well enough alone. They have since "enriched" it with various other stuff. I'll have to take a look, see what it is, and report back.

It's still a lot better for my innards than milk, because milk coats the stomach and intestinal walls in such a way as to considerably interfere with the body's ability to absorb nutrients.

As for calcium, you can get all the calcium you need by eating a good variety of raw greens. Guess how an elephant or a buffalo or an elk gets his calcium (and protein) to build those big strong bones and powerful muscles? By eating fresh growing green stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Maryrrf
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 08:50 PM

It was a revelation to me when I discovered that Old Fashioned Quaker Oats (or the generic equivalent) don't have to be cooked! Now I take a tupperware container of old fashioned oats, mixed with some cinnamon, walnuts and cranberries or raisins to work. I make this up every Monday and take enough to last the week - then for breakfast every day I put some in a bowl, add some water, microwave for one minute and it turns out delicious. Sometimes I add a spoonful of sugar, or half an apple, and occasionally a splash of milk, but it comes out fine with just water.

For the milk - I enjoy soy milk, rice milk and/or almond milk which I use to make smoothies. Each has a different taste and texture. For cereal and coffee I use cow's milk but I never drink it straight.

Lady Penelope, do you have a recipe for chick pea based burgers? That sounds good!


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 07:53 PM

"rice milk or soya milk are simply products made from edible plants plus water"

You would never use 'Soy Milk' if you saw the sort of 'oil refinery process' used to make it commercially. The 'home made' stuff is somewhat different.

"And just how do they milk those little tiny soys?
Yeah, I know, really really tiny stools and buckets."

I'm sure there's a joke about tiny stools, but I ain't goin' there!


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: lady penelope
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 07:06 PM

Blech. If you have to flavour it to be able to eat it, maybe you shouldn't bother, eh?

I try to keep my intake of soy products to a minimum because soy is naturally high in trans fatty acids (in high quantities it's a carcenogen). Soy milk is also loaded with sugar to make it palatable and rice milk is similar, though not quite as sugary or with the TFAs.

I don't drink milk in anything like the quantities I used to when I was a kid, but then I have a better all round diet and get my calcium etc from a more varied food supply. If you're lactose intolerant try goat's milk or sheep's milk. Their make up is far nearer human milk. Although, ever since watching Red Dwarf I've been curious about dog milk... *G*

Chick peas make a great base for veggie burger mixes and I generally steer clear of most textured vegetable protien (be it tofu, basic TVP, or things like Quorn) as I'm just naturally suspicious of anything that processed.

Perversly, I found that I like oatmeal that's made really thick with some honey stirred in and then left to go cold (like the drawer thing mentioned earlier). It goes all nice and chewy....


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 05:22 PM

Rice milk is much preferable to soya milk as far as I'm concerned. It has a lighter, fresher taste and a lighter consistency. You can usually get it in either "original" flavor or vanilla. Both are quite good.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Bee
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 05:09 PM

I like dipping oatcakes in whiskey boosted tea, does that count?

Little Hawk's porridge recipe sounds good except for the soy milk. Maybe the rice milk tastes better, I've never had that.

I don't drink cow milk or any milk, though I do put skim on cereal about once a week, and in my coffee. I like my cows' milk in the guise of cheese, curds, yogurt and ice cream. (and a leetle bit of whipped cream this week because our local strawberries are ripe - the best strawberries on the planet, and only available for about three weeks.)

Soy though, should be confined to soy sauce, IMO. I'm one of those people who cannot bring myself to like the taste of soy products. Tofu makes me shudder. Soy milk makes me nauseous. Soy ice cream is an abomination. Soy burgers are awful!

When I was a vegetarian, I made my meat-like substances out of raw peanuts, millet, kasha and such. Providing you aren't allergic, ground peanuts are remarkably good mixed with grains, garlic, onion, a little tomato paste, and herbs, flattened into patties and fried or broiled.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 04:53 PM

I had an uncle who was soaked in whiskey, does this count?


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 04:49 PM

My grandmother used to make rum butter. It was, I think, brown sugar, butter and rum combined and the resultant pate was spead on toast and it was GREAT!


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 04:39 PM

Anyone ever tried soaking it overnight in whiskey? for a warming breakfast.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 04:32 PM

LOL! And just think of the radiation, Jeri... ;-)

The thing I have discovered that I most need to keep out of my diet is cheese...it's disastrous to my eliminative system. Kind of like what would happen if you swallowed freshly made concrete mix with your meals. And guess what? In the restaurants in my town about 33 out of every 35 meals on the menu proudly contains...what else?...CHEESE!

For me, the dairy industry is a crock. I give them almost no business, though I do like a certain amount of butter with some food.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 04:13 PM

Incidences.

I love dairy products: milk, cheese, cream, butter. Pre mortem & post mortem cows too. Cows are my friends. Unfortunately, they aren't my arteries' friends or my waistline's friends so I limit cow products.

Your office microwave is probably one of the new nuclear powered ones. We have one at work. You put a mug of water in for tea, set it for 1 minute and the glass mug melts.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 03:43 PM

I read an interesting article a few years back. Basically, the five countries in the world with the highest consumption of dairy products were also the five countries in the world with the highest incidenses/insenses/insidinces--greatest number of cases of osteoporosis. It was all per capita.


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 03:40 PM

Little Hawk, the reason many humans can't digest dairy milk effectively is because it was pasteurized. Pasteurization kills off the enzymes in the milk that aid digestion. Raw milk doesn't present those problems.

Soy milk isn't always the best choice either; I think most of it is from genetically modified seed these days.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: My Oatmeal Exploded
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 03:16 PM

Liz, it has become my firm opinion that dairy milk is not good stuff for most human digestive systems...although I'm sure there are some people who can handle it okay. It depends on how your system works. A great many people have trouble digesting milk and dairy products.

Now edible plants...they are good stuff for human digestive systems, and rice milk or soya milk are simply products made from edible plants plus water.

I loved milk when I was a young child, but I found that by about the age of 6 or 7 I didn't like it at all anymore. It had become quite unpalatable as far as I was concerned. My body was telling me strongly "don't drink that stuff". Now that makes sense, because I was coming to the natural age where one is weaned off mother's milk and eating other stuff instead. All animals do that. They only drink milk when they are infants. After that they eat either plants...or fruits...or meat if they are predators...or all of those if they are omnivores.

My decision to substitute rice milk or soya milk for cow's milk is based on two things.

1. I don't like cow's milk anyway.

2. I don't think it's any good for my health or my digestive system...both of which don't react well to a diet heavy in dairy products (including cheese).

If dairy works for you, though, that's fine with me. We aren't all the same when it comes to diet.


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