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Folk Proms

Sooz 02 Jun 08 - 10:58 AM
Dan Schatz 02 Jun 08 - 11:17 AM
Ruth Archer 16 Jul 08 - 01:48 PM
fat B****rd 16 Jul 08 - 02:51 PM
Richard Bridge 16 Jul 08 - 02:54 PM
SINSULL 16 Jul 08 - 02:56 PM
Bo 16 Jul 08 - 02:57 PM
fat B****rd 16 Jul 08 - 02:58 PM
fat B****rd 16 Jul 08 - 02:58 PM
Mrs_Annie 16 Jul 08 - 02:59 PM
Ruth Archer 16 Jul 08 - 03:04 PM
Mrs_Annie 16 Jul 08 - 04:02 PM
GUEST,Golightly 17 Jul 08 - 11:51 AM
GUEST,Joe G 18 Jul 08 - 07:08 AM
Sarah the flute 18 Jul 08 - 10:45 AM
Folkiedave 18 Jul 08 - 11:01 AM
GUEST,Joe G 18 Jul 08 - 11:29 AM
Ruth Archer 18 Jul 08 - 12:32 PM
GUEST,Joe G 18 Jul 08 - 01:13 PM
Folkiedave 18 Jul 08 - 03:23 PM
GUEST 19 Jul 08 - 06:55 AM
GUEST,Surreysinger 19 Jul 08 - 06:56 AM
Ruth Archer 19 Jul 08 - 09:00 AM
Surreysinger 19 Jul 08 - 10:33 AM
Sarah the flute 19 Jul 08 - 11:37 AM
Folkiedave 19 Jul 08 - 06:53 PM
Surreysinger 19 Jul 08 - 07:16 PM
Folkiedave 19 Jul 08 - 07:18 PM
Surreysinger 19 Jul 08 - 08:26 PM
GUEST,twonk 19 Jul 08 - 09:36 PM
Liz the Squeak 20 Jul 08 - 07:46 AM
Surreysinger 20 Jul 08 - 08:38 AM
Folkiedave 20 Jul 08 - 08:43 AM
Folkiedave 20 Jul 08 - 09:21 AM
GUEST,Joe G 20 Jul 08 - 10:54 AM
Folkiedave 20 Jul 08 - 01:51 PM
GUEST,Joe G 20 Jul 08 - 02:10 PM
Richard Bridge 20 Jul 08 - 04:49 PM
GUEST 20 Jul 08 - 05:12 PM
Bonzo3legs 20 Jul 08 - 05:19 PM
Steve Gardham 20 Jul 08 - 05:53 PM
Steve Shaw 20 Jul 08 - 06:26 PM
GUEST,Ed 20 Jul 08 - 06:29 PM
GUEST,martin ellison 20 Jul 08 - 06:47 PM
Steve Shaw 20 Jul 08 - 06:56 PM
Folkiedave 20 Jul 08 - 07:04 PM
Surreysinger 20 Jul 08 - 07:37 PM
Richard Bridge 20 Jul 08 - 07:55 PM
Steve Shaw 20 Jul 08 - 08:05 PM
Big Al Whittle 20 Jul 08 - 10:24 PM
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Subject: Folk Proms
From: Sooz
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 10:58 AM

I see from the EFDSS magazine that there is a Folk Day (20th July) in this years Promenade Concert series. Better still it includes free concerts in the Royal Albert Hall and Kensington Gardens.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 11:17 AM

I'm so disappointed. I was hoping to discover that folk music was the hottest new thing at high school senior proms.

*SIGH* Time to wake up.... I'm dreaming again....

Dan


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 01:48 PM

Is anyone else planning on being at the Folk Proms on Sunday?


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: fat B****rd
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 02:51 PM

No, but I believe it's on telly.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 02:54 PM

So, what's the programme?


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 02:56 PM

Sam Cooke sang:
"Tom Dooley, cha cha cha.
I taught my baby how to cha cha cha."

Is that what you had in mind, Dan?


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Bo
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 02:57 PM

The "Folk Prom" is on Sunday evening, 20th July, at 19:30 BST and is being shown on BBC4 until 21:15
My Radio Times also shows that it is on BBC Radio 3 at the same time.
Bella Hardy, Martin Simpson and Bellowhead are listed.
Hope you can catch it. Bo


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: fat B****rd
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 02:58 PM

BBC 4 7.30 pm Bella Hardy, Martin Simpson and Bellowhead. Simultaneous broadcast on BBC Radio 3. Enjoy fB


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: fat B****rd
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 02:58 PM

Dash !! Late again


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 02:59 PM

We shall be there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/2008/whatson/2007.shtml

The evening concert is being broadcast live on BBC4.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 03:04 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/2008/whatson/2007.shtml

:)

Full programme lasts all day, with acitivites for children.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 04:02 PM

I forgot to do the blue clicky thing, thanks Ruth


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,Golightly
Date: 17 Jul 08 - 11:51 AM

Bella Hardy is playing both afternoon and evening. She's being accompanied by Chris Sherburn (concertina) and Corinna Hewat (harp) in the evening and they are a wonderful new combination. I'm hoping they'll be part of the BBC 4 TV broadcast.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 07:08 AM

Hi folks

There is a lot of whinging on the R3 message boards about the Folk Proms if anyone would like to leap to the defence - I've had my tuppenceworth already though it in mod at the moment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/F7497567?thread=5669271

Joe G


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 10:45 AM

...and I'll be doing the calling for the ceilidh!!!!!!!
Bring on your dancing shoes

Sarah


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 11:01 AM

I have stuck a little boot in.

Goodness me - and I thought 'catters were a contrary bunch!! We have nothing on them.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 11:29 AM

Hi Dave

Yes I have had many rguements over there - especially every year around the time of the World Music Awards and frequently in defence of Late Junction and World Routes.

I suppose what we would all like is a mainstream station devoted to folk and roots music (maybe with jazz and other 'minority' music) and then we would not be in competition with the classical fans - then again you would hope that people would be broadminded enough to listen to other genres just once in a while

(Mind you I know some folkies who are equally narrow minded!)

Cheers

Joe


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 12:32 PM

it's not even so much the narrow-mindedness of the classical audience - I'm not saying they HAVE to listen to folk music. It's the assumption that their music is innately superior to all other forms that does my nut. And, of course, this assumption leads to the premise that classical therefore deserves far more air time and attention(and funding - oh lordy, here I go again).


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 01:13 PM

Yes Ruth - the word 'spoilt' comes to mind. I am fully in favour of funding to support great orchestras etc but if only folk could have some crumbs off the table!!

See the latest post by Mike4Rach over there for a reasoned response (LOL) to folk music and my retort (if it is out of mod yet)

Cheers

Joe


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 03:23 PM

I have asked what programmes he switches off - damned if I can find many!

And thanks Ruth - forgot that bit about the Merchant of Venice....


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 06:55 AM

I can't see anything above that mentions the fact that even though some of the Folk Proms events are free, they all have to be booked in advance ... and the tickets for the Free afternoon Prom in the RAH "sold" out quite some time ago. SO, as far as I can see, it's not a case of just turn up and enjoy the event on the day :-( (I left it too late to get a ticket for the afternoon freebie). So I shall be saving my train fare up to town and watching the evening concert on the box.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,Surreysinger
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 06:56 AM

Aaargh ... that last one was me. I seem to have lost my cookie ... back to the drawing board!!


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 09:00 AM

there is stuff in the afternoon in kensington Gardens that's free, 12 - 3pm.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 10:33 AM

Ah ... thanks for that Ruth ... didn't see that in the links provided... memo to self ... must look harder [grin]


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 11:37 AM

You can always queue up with the prommers for the £5 tickets for the actual Prom concerts. These are the standing space ones that aren't prebookable.

Sarah


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 06:53 PM

I reckon it'll be great in Bellowhead's mosh pit. AKA £5.00 standing.

(err....I think that is the right expression...)

I';; get mi coat......

x


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 07:16 PM

Sadly, being a lady with back and other problems standing for a concert ain't an option these days!!! grumble, whinge, whine and moan....


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 07:18 PM

Me neither.....

Last time I was down there iun London - the pub shut at 11.00 pm.

What a dump!!


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Surreysinger
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 08:26 PM

What - London or the RAH ??


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,twonk
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 09:36 PM

T4 on Weston super Mare beach tomorrow..

got to be better than a bunch of old smelly hippy folgkies

stinking up London with insense and patchouli !!!


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 07:46 AM

Twonk is well named.... I've never used patchouli in my life!

Incense on the other hand... in my other life at church, I must admit to being a casual user but only on special occasions.

It's lovely weather in London today so it should be great in the park. I'm not feeling up to going though, so I hope people have a good time.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Surreysinger
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 08:38 AM

Guest was a cookieless me .. .actually if you look at twonk's other posts you can see that they've been excised before now ... a troll by any other name?? I hate incense, and I too have never been into patchouli ... am I going wrong somewhere?


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Folkiedave
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 08:43 AM

What - London or the RAH ??

As if I would be worried at the Albert Hall shutting once the concert was over.

I was in this real ale pub, just around the back of the RAH and some silly sod started ringing a bell and asking people if they knew what time it was.

I said "Three minutes past eleven " thinking I was helping, and he gave me such a stare.

So I stopped going to his pub.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Folkiedave
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 09:21 AM

I should also have added - Ralph Jordan (ralphie on Mudcat) has contributed to the folk proms thread and made the very sensible suggestion that anyone who enjoys the show at the Proms tonight should send a comment to R3 management.

We might then get some more!!


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:54 AM

Sounds fabulous so far! Let's hope it wins over the doubters at the R3 MB!

Joe G


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Folkiedave
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 01:51 PM

Another thing that might be done is to write into Pick of the Week and ask for a bit to be replayed next Sunday.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 02:10 PM

Now there is someone calling the folk proms rubbish on R3 MB! This is I presume from someone who has never heard Bellowhead

Grrr!

The annoying thing is having to wait until being out of mod for my responses to be shown.

There is also the perennial 'What is folk' question - I've just directed the poster this way and to the R2 MB to do some light reading!

I am keeping well away from the laptop while I watch tonights gig!

Hope everyone enjoys it - I'm not a huge Martin Simpson fan but I appreciate his craft - if only the antagonistic posters could do the same. Bella Hardy sounded beautiful earlier - not heard her before much.

Joe G


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 04:49 PM

Bella Hardy sounded far better than on her CD and indeed than live at Ely. Still a bit delicate for me but getting steadily more forceful.

Martin Simpson was simply awesome. That version of Little Musgrave stands as a piece of narration with the absolute best of Peter Bellamy (althoug very different in style), and his guitar work will impress anyone who will listen - whatever their home genre.

His guitar sound was also far better than at Ely, where the PA rig was making all guitars sound scratchy, and with a litle less bass emphasis and a bit less twang it would have sounded quite like a guitar.

Bellowhead regrettably still don't do it for me, but the cellist's harmonies were nice in places. At least one major bloop from the soundman when we got an on-screen closeup of the banjo and no banjo in the sound!

Some of the talking head stuff was almost intelligent, too (and there was another major sound bloop when they left the open air and came back to a mute presenter).


A very sadly sparse audience for a top quality show (that could have been better still).


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 05:12 PM

there was another major sound bloop when they left the open air and came back to a mute presenter

It would of course have been perfect if you were in charge. You're an arsehole, Richard. Very gracious of you to admit that Bella Hardy might be any good.

I thought the whole thing was fabulous. Thank you BBC


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 05:19 PM

It's great that they have done this - the evening broadcasts are on their way to Sonic Stage as I speak, and then to applause reduction treatment - it was far to loud, louder than the music mostly!


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 05:53 PM

Bella, Chris, Karina and Martin were awesome and wonderful ambassadors for the music, but I'd love to hear what the real musicians thought of Bellowhead. I enjoyed the radio and TV coverage immensely.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 06:26 PM

Bella and Martin were superb. Bellowhead were nervy and overwhelmed and realising that they were not able to connect in the intimate way that the pre-interval artists had achieved, which made them try even harder and look even more displaced. They seemed to be caught in an impossible follow-that moment. They were a beached whale. The last set rescued them to some extent. I don't think I'm one of those real musicians but I thought Bellowhead were way less than the sum of their parts tonight.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 06:29 PM

Bellowhead...were a beached whale

You must have been watching a different programme to me...

I thought that they were fantastic

I'd agree that Richard Bridge is talking twadlle


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: GUEST,martin ellison
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 06:47 PM

To Richard Bridge:
I should have your telly checked out. Benji was playing the banjo in a staccato, muted - not open stringed way and was CLEARLY audible but was almost percussive. I remember exactly the shot of which you write and it cleared up the "what's making that sound" question for me. I think you maybe don't expect to hear it played like that so didn't register it.
martin ellison


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 06:56 PM

I think that it's been a pretty good day for English folk music. If I may just come the curmudgeon briefly, I think we need to convince all folk performers from folk clubs right up to the Albert Hall that lengthy, ostentatious tuning sessions between songs/sets, even at the beginning of a performance, complete with "jokiness" about same, are not appreciated. When I started playing in folk clubs my wife, listening in the audience, very rapidly put me right as to how misplaced and unprofessional (not to say positively buttock-clenching) that kind of stuff sounded. Jeez, we even had a "good enough for folk"-type quip at one point. I bet Simon Rattle and the Berlin Phil lads do it all the time, eh!


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Folkiedave
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 07:04 PM

We have ignored the commentators - Catriona McD and the other guy (who he? - sorry marketing+youth orchestra??) were so enthusiastic - thanks.

Despite Charlie's musical knowledge some daft questions.

BUT - awesome singing and fiddling from Bella - great guitar paying and singing from MS and Bellowhead?

Awesome.

What a shame they played the encore on R3 but not on the telly.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Surreysinger
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 07:37 PM

Anybody know if they taped the afternoon concert at all? That was the one that I really wanted to see, as the programming was much more imaginative (and I reckon interesting).

Obviously its a personal taste thing, but I'm afraid I didn't think that the evening concert as displayed on my TV could be described as Awesome ..sorry Dave. I'd go for interesting or mildly entertaining for most of it, but I'm afraid that it didn't particularly stir me ... with the exception of Martin Simpson's guitar playing and the final set from Bellowhead. I suspect that, with the added atmosphere in the hall, I might well have been more enthusiastic had I been there, but I don't think it's likely to have steered any of my unbelieving friends from the dark side into the light, or convinced any of the idiotic detractors on the Radio 3 message board. Mind you, I'm sure that was never the intention of the concert anyway!!!

What was impressive to behold, though, was the bopping up and down of the audience who were obviously having the time of their lives (envy).


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 07:55 PM

Martin Ellison - I think you describe the second close-up shot of the banjo, not the first, when it was inaudible. It came in about at the end of the first close up, quite suddenly. I suspect the instrument's channel was left on mute while it was on its stand and the channel was not turned on when it was first picked up.

Steve Shaw - the tuning by Martin Simpson was clearly necessary. To start with he was going from one tuning to another. Secondly, the guitars were plainly going off-tune over time. I suspect it may have been something to do with heat from the lights.

Bella Hardy's violin was audibly not quite in tune when she first picked it up - and indeed she did not get it quite right first try, so the second was necessary too.

Better to tune an instrument than play it out of tune.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 08:05 PM

Of course tuning is a big deal and I'm not saying it isn't. Martin Simpson did an excessive amount tonight, though at least he didn't make a big thing of it to the audience. I just think that an artist should go about it expeditiously and without comment. It isn't what an audience wants to hear too much of, let alone dwell on or endure "jokes" about. It took Bellowhead longer to tune up than it usually does for a symphony orhestra. It's a necessary evil, not part of the show.


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Subject: RE: Folk Proms
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:24 PM

just listening to it in the next room.

3.15 in the morning. Either folk music starts producing something that every radio station has to take seriously - or we accept that we have a place securing a nice living for a few subsidised middle class kids. and a lot of frustrated other ranks. nothing much else.

the question Richard bridge poses in his latest thread - which tradition, the same question that SOH pose in their song Roots - has an answer, but its not one that you will like.

A music teacher once said to me - throw a stick in a roomful of music teachers and you will hit half a dozen would be organ masters of Yorkminster. we are headed in the same direction. Just athere is no great apetite for listening to church music - there is not much mileage in this stuff.

either we start producing something a bit more memorable with a bit more to say (politically and artistically) or we ARE SCREWED. the bosses have got it wrong.


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