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BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.

GUEST,MikeS 13 Jun 11 - 05:13 AM
Emma B 07 May 08 - 12:44 PM
Jean(eanjay) 07 May 08 - 07:35 AM
GUEST,MikeS 06 May 08 - 08:07 PM
Victor in Mapperton 06 May 08 - 05:06 PM
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akenaton 06 May 08 - 03:14 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: GUEST,MikeS
Date: 13 Jun 11 - 05:13 AM

Intersting that Kate McCann is still sticking to her story.She gave the child something to make her sleep so they could go out and party with their friends, she over did it. And to save their own arse and professional standing, they employed friends to remove the evidence.

The loss of a child is one thing, to lose their standing in society and face charges was not going to happen, they made sure of that.

Both as guilty as sin and they know it, better still, so do we.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mccann-plea-families-missing-080302817.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Emma B
Date: 07 May 08 - 12:44 PM

Another example in that story you linked eanjay of the much repeated 'fact' that the apartment was only 50 metres away. (Actually it could be argued it was 70 metres away only if measured in a straight line diectly across the pool and through bushes.)

The reality is that the route was 120 metres and neither of the two entrances can be seen from the bar even in daylight.

The apartment is not inside the Mark Warner complex itself but sits on the corner of two roads,

One of the party would have to walk from the bar around the pool, and out through the security gate of the Ocean Club, a distance of some 60 metres.

Once out of the complex, they would have turned left on to Rua Dr Francisco Gentil Martins, a public road, and go a further 60 metres up the hill, through a three-foot high gate which cannot be locked, up a flight of 10 steep steps** and then in through rear patio doors, which were not apparently locked.

** These steps photograph 4 lead up to an unlocked door and look like an accident waiting to happen to me if a young disorientated child waking from sleep maybe went to look for parents.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 07 May 08 - 07:35 AM

No, NOT EVERY parent

But we should beware being hypocrites on the subject. Every parent, surely, has a near-miss story, when inattention or a bad decision - often made for selfish reasons - could have led to their child's death.

This has been taken from the link above and we will, no doubt, be subjected to even more of it now that the media is frightened of being sued by these parents.

It is the sweeping generalisations that I don't like. Anything to condone what these parents did and to make it look absolutely normal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: GUEST,MikeS
Date: 06 May 08 - 08:07 PM

And to think we're the dominant species...


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 06 May 08 - 05:06 PM

Sorry for the thread drift,thought this story interesting.

A couple who allegedly passed out drunk last Friday while on holiday had their children taken into care in Portugal.

Hotel staff in Vilamoura called police because the children in the would not stop crying.The children are aged one, two and six.

The parents, Eamon and Antoinette McGuckin are from County Londonderry in Northern Ireland. The parents believe something was added to both their drinks in a bar which made them pass out! No one else in the bar that night reported anything wrong with their drinks.
The mother said she could not understand why Portuguese authorities took the action they did against the couple.

The family had been expected to appear before a family court on Tuesday afternoon (today), but the Foreign Office said it believed they had returned home after collecting the children. They added there were no legal restrictions on them having to stay, and there was no obligation for them to be in court.The powers of the Portuguese court are only effective as long as the children were in the country, hence their hasty departure home before their court appearance this afternoon.

The British social services have been informed of the procedures which have been undertaken and asked to evaluate the need of promoting and protecting the rights of these three children.


The manager of the hotel said the couple and their three children went out for dinner on Friday. Upon their arrival back at the hotel about two hours later, Mr McGuckin passed out on a sofa in reception while Mrs McGuckin fell asleep in the bar.A staff member said the children were crying and they could not revive the parents, who were both out cold. Social services were called and dealt with the children.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Emma B
Date: 06 May 08 - 04:58 PM

The 'Tapas Seven' are the friends who dined with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night of the four-year-old's disappearance.

They had also put their children to bed and gathered in a Tapas bar 'near' their apartments despite the fact that one of the children, that of Jane Tanner and her partner Dr Russell O'Brien was known to be 'sick'

Of course their friends support their actions MikeS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Emma B
Date: 06 May 08 - 04:28 PM

Representatives of the McCann family attended a service in Praia de Luz last weekend.
Their lawyers advised the parents not to return to Portugal.

Child neglect is a crime in Portugal too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: GUEST,MikeS
Date: 06 May 08 - 03:49 PM

While I wouldn't claim to know anything about Portugese law, I don't think British law applies in Portugal. Nevertheless, as Victor rightly says, they are undoubtedly guilty of willful neglect whether or not they have, or are going to be, charged with breaking any law. What they did was wrong, and in my opinion their so-called friends appear to have been accessories to that wrong-doing as well. I am amazed that the British social services have allowed them to continue 'looking after' their remaining children. I can only hope that the authorities here and in Portugal are in possession of more facts than are commonly available, and are acting accordingly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 May 08 - 10:05 AM

I could be wrong, but in a case were someone makes an admission to a crime no trail is required

I would be very interested in seeing where that has happened. Surely a trial is always required prior to sentencing. Well, unless you happen to be the wrong religion and end up in Guatanamo Bay but that is a different kettle of fish altogether. The trial may only consist of one question, 'How do you plead?' and one answer 'guilty' but that is still a trial all the same.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 06 May 08 - 08:07 AM

The case is still under investigation by Portugese police. They may not yet deem it appropriate to charge anyone, in case it prejudices their ongoing investigations for instance.

I think you could be spot on there.

I'm not holding my breath on this one, but if the parents would "fade from the limelight" as they have expressed a wish to do a lot of people would not feel the need to go on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 May 08 - 06:14 AM

The neglect which (allegedly) the've admitted, didn't take place within the UK and surely cannot therefore fall within the jurisdiction of UK law-enforcement authorities or our courts?

The case is still under investigation by Portugese police. They may not yet deem it appropriate to charge anyone, in case it prejudices their ongoing investigations for instance.

Let's leave it to them. Ranting on about them on here is doing no-one any good (except maybe the ranters, whose attempts at occupation of The High Moral Ground probably massage their own egos).


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 06 May 08 - 04:52 AM

Thanks Dave.

I would like to know the reason why the police haven't charged them with child neglect after they admitted doing it several nights that week on television.

I could be wrong, but in a case were someone makes an admission to a crime no trail is required, they are charged, then receive a date for sentencing. I remember a guy here year ago who walked into a police station and admitted a crime he committed some years back. Then after a short investigation He was charged. He appeared before a judge and was sentenced.

Dave, they admitted to the crime of neglect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 May 08 - 03:32 AM

I have never made a case for child neglect, Ake. I am only disputing the 'fact' that Victor quoted in his opening post. The reason we have an established and respected legal system is so all the 'facts' can become known before the courts. While I can quite agree that it was very wrong for the McCanns to leave their children alone I cannot say they are 'guilty of neglect' under, as we have subsequently been made aware, the Children and Young Persons Act of 1933. The reason for this is that they have never been brought to trial. Until they are and until their guilt is proven by law I am afraid that I will continue to point out that they have had no criminal proceedings brought against them. I, for one, would rather trust our criminal justice system, flawed as it can be, over and above trial by mudcat.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: akenaton
Date: 06 May 08 - 03:14 AM

Come on Dave...I sometimes play devil's advocate myself, but I draw the line at making the case for child neglect.

The McCanns have admitted neglect so why cite the legal process..Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 May 08 - 07:28 PM

Victor, please stop speaking like an American 1950's comic. I did it to highlight the word 'proven' and as soon as I did it I realised my mistake. I apologise for doing so.

Let me put it simply. Have the McCanns been found guilty of anything in a court of law? Please stick to that question in your response. It is realy easy - Just a yes or no.

Thank you.

Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 05 May 08 - 05:04 PM

"If what they did is against the law why do you think that they have still not been charged with anything, 12 months after the event."

Dave THEY ADMITTED THEY LEFT THEIR THREE CHILDREN ALONE !

"Maybe you will accept my word that until they are PROVEN guilty they are assumed innocent."

THEY HAVE ADMITTED Dave.

"the very law that you seem so keen to uphold does seem to make your statement of 'fact' somewhat ridiculous".

FACT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BECAUSE OF THEIR ADMISSION Dave.

Words fail me on this occasion. Do you know the case we are talking about Dave ? Think for a moment, three year old girl. Last May, parents doctors. Got it yet ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 05 May 08 - 04:20 PM

another case

At least these parents did take the children to dinner with them!

Maybe you will accept my word that until they are PROVEN guilty they are assumed innocent. The so called 'fact' you gave in yor opening post is, at present, nothing but a complete fabrication on your part.

Nobody is disagreeing that people are innocent until proven guilty but since they have admitted leaving the children alone then that is a fact. What somebody thinks may have happened is not the same as them saying it actually has happened.

I feel very sorry and sad that this child has gone missing and has not yet been found but I find it difficult to have sympathy with her parents because of their behaviour since it has happened. Despite the fact that, undeniably, they will be suffering they have managed to take the p*** and make a lot of people look fools. I keep my sympathy for the child and her siblings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 03:56 PM

Ok. I will rephrase for Wolfgang's benefit, since I know he will be profoundly disturbed until I do...


I haven't said anything on this subject prior to now, but I find it strange that the parents even still have custody of their other two children.

If they had made a habit of leaving three children aged three and under alone in their own house for more than an hour at a time and one of them died in a fire while the parents were gone, would the remaining two children have been left in their custody?

What if they had left them alone, and the oldest of the three had managed to find and consume a fatal quantity of some kind of medicine? Or if one of the younger children had choked to death on a button that came off of a piece of clothing and rolled under a chair where no one had noticed it? Or if one of them had pulled a lamp down on his or herself, causing the bulb to break and was then electrocuted after putting a finger where the bulb had been?

How is it that the kind of neglect that resulted in this abduction hasn't been considered grounds for the parents losing custody of the remaining children?


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Emma B
Date: 05 May 08 - 03:33 PM

Madeline was 3 years of age, her twin siblings were 2 years old.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: CarolC
Date: 05 May 08 - 03:24 PM

How old was Madeline when she went missing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 May 08 - 03:07 PM

..disappearance of their three year old daughter Madeline.

The parents have been criticised for leaving their children (all under three years of age) alone.
(Victor)

...leaving three children under the age of three alone (Carol)

Math is really difficult. Given are the three integers 2, 2, and 3. Which is the lowest integer of which can be said that all three are below it?

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 May 08 - 01:53 PM

Mr. Polshaw, I think you would find leaving three children aged three and under alone is a crime if you care to look up the Children and Young Persons Act of 1933.

It may well be so, Victor. Which only proves my point still further. If what they did is against the law why do you think that they have still not been charged with anything, 12 months after the event. I do not care to look it up. I am quite happy to accept your word for it. Maybe you will accept my word that until they are PROVEN guilty they are assumed innocent. The so called 'fact' you gave in yor opening post is, at present, nothing but a complete fabrication on your part.

Maybe they will be tried and convicted at some point but until that happens the very law that you seem so keen to uphold does seem to make your statement of 'fact' somewhat ridiculous.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 May 08 - 09:55 AM

Likewise, Victor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 05 May 08 - 09:25 AM

Thanks Backwoodman. Best wishes from this end.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 May 08 - 07:38 AM

I'll give you that one Victor! :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 05 May 08 - 07:36 AM

"And going on about what a perfect parent you are/were really doesn't cut any ice"

I never said I was perfect, responsible YES. Big difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 May 08 - 05:58 AM

"Some of the comments on this thread amaze me, a crime has been committed. Leaving children alone is a crime. Should we ignore this fact ?"

Maybe mine are some of the comments you're referring to, Victor, but surprisingly we're in agreemnet over much of this sad case. You're right, leaving children alone is criminal - but Lynch-Mobs are illegal in the UK, so let's leave it to the law. In due course minds much smarter than mine and yours, however clever you think you are, will be concentrated on this matter, but I'd guess that, for now, and for reasons we perhaps aren't yet aware of, kicking the McCann's arses for being such idiots is not the top priority.

There are many things about this case that may well turn out not to be what they at first seemed.

You ask, "Should we ignore this fact?". Frankly, it's not up to 'we', it's up to the police and/or the CPS to decide if and when to charge the McCanns. God help us if that responsibility were to be directed by the kind of rabble-rousing rhetoric and invective we've read a-plenty on here. It's not the suggestion of their culpability that offends me, Victor, I agree that they have much to answer for - it's the language and the venom, the 'Sun-Speak', that I feel is out of order.

And going on about what a perfect parent you are/were really doesn't cut any ice, and has no bearing on the McCann case. Did you never, ever make a mistake in bringing up you're kids? I know I did. I wish I was such a saint.

And yes, as doctors they would have responsibilities regarding evidence of child-neglect amongst their patients, but having training and professional responsibility doesn't make the individual infallible. How many times do you hear of senior police officers being caught speeding, or over the drink-drive limit? More than you would expect, given their background. And I'd bet that the McCanns know just what selfish fuckwits they were too. They lost their child, almost certainly for ever, through their own negligence and stupidity. They have that, and the anticipation of prosecution, to live with. Rather them than me. I pity them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 04 May 08 - 06:38 PM

Yes Emma I saw that in the paper. I read it was an idea by failed BBC reporter Clarence Mitchell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 04 May 08 - 02:56 PM

'The parents of Madeleine McCann announced yesterday that they were in negotiations to write a book about the disappearance of their daughter.

In interviews last week they said that they now hoped that they would fade from the limelight.

..........until the book signing and promotion, of course!

Ever changing goalposts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: CarolC
Date: 04 May 08 - 02:49 PM

I haven't said anything on this subject prior to now, but I find it strange that the parents even still have custody of their other two children.

If they had made a habit of leaving three children under the age of three alone in their own house for more than an hour at a time and one of them died in a fire while the parents were gone, would the remaining two children have been left in their custody?

What if they had left them alone, and the oldest of the three had managed to find and consume a fatal quantity of some kind of medicine? Or if one of the younger children had choked to death on a button that came off of a piece of clothing and rolled under a chair where no one had noticed it? Or if one of them had pulled a lamp down on his or herself, causing the bulb to break and was then electrocuted after putting a finger where the bulb had been?

How is it that the kind of neglect that resulted in this abduction hasn't been considered grounds for the parents losing custody of the remaining children?


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Emma B
Date: 04 May 08 - 02:05 PM

'McCanns 'could make £1 million from book'

'The parents of Madeleine McCann announced yesterday that they were in negotiations to write a book about the disappearance of their daughter.

Publishing experts have estimated that the McCanns' book could receive an advance of up to £1 million, but have said that the couple may struggle to say anything new.

Proceeds of any deal would go to the Find Madeleine Fund, which has received more than £1.5 million in public donations and a libel payout.'

Times online

Mr and Mrs McCann, who are still suspects and cannot talk about the case until their arguido status is lifted, will use a ghost writer.

Clarence Mitchell, their spokesman, said: "It is a legitimate way of raising money for the fund".

.....the fund that can still ONLY be used to cover the McCanns and their PR/spin doctors/spokespeople etc expenses and fund further searches until such time as the child is found.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: skarpi
Date: 04 May 08 - 01:51 PM

victor , no I would not leave a child alone in England or in any other
country, couse I dont know the area .

ATB Skarpi Iceland


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 04 May 08 - 01:11 PM

The people who must shoulder the burden of responsibility for the disappearance are Gerry and Kate McCann. They let her down by being selfish and indulging in their own pleasures leaving her alone and vulnerable. If they wanted that type of holiday they should have left the kids at home.

They were on the razz every night that week through their own admission. The children unfortunately got in the way of their "me time". These people are doctors and in their professional lives would not hesitate to point the "abuse" finger at any other parent who left their children alone like they did.

I do think the McCann's have acted somewhat oddly throughout this investigation, particularly the mother. I can't quite see it as natural for a mother in her position to make one of her immediate priorities in the days immediately following the disappearance of her daughter a visit to the Pope – without her remaining children.
Even female doctors are subject to domestic abuse whether it be mental, physical or psychological bullying. Kate looks to me to be very submissive to Gerry. Her eyes dart towards him when the couple are questioned by the media. It's as though she can't speak up for herself.

The running was another strange one. The last thing on my mind would be to go for a run if one of my kids was abducted. I would be spewing venom and throwing my stomach up. As I already said, if the child been from a working class family on a council estate (colour irrelevant) and the parents had gone over the road to the pub for an hour, the story would have been totally different, charges would have been brought by now, and if the child was still missing, it would still be in the news.

You know as well as what I do that a single parent from a council estate, would have been singled out and social services would be all over them like a rash. The parent would probably be blamed from the start, but for some reason people are skirting around this issue.

As a parent I personally would never have dreamt of leaving my child, let alone children/babies on their own, just to have something to eat. In fact I would never have left my child alone full stop. I hope I don't sound too heartless because I am not, I am just coming from a parent who cannot understand how any parent would leave their children alone in a strange country, that don't speak the same language as you, where you don't know really what the area is like. Would you do it in England? I don't think many would, so I don't understand why being in a different country, with a language barrier on a 'Family' holiday would be OK.

Some of the comments on this thread amaze me, a crime has been committed. Leaving children alone is a crime. Should we ignore this fact ?

I made no secret of my own feelings about the case from the first day. I think the child neglect charges will be the least of the McCann's worries.

No doubt mudcats "Little Caesar" will have some comment or biblical verse for me !


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Gene Burton
Date: 04 May 08 - 12:19 PM

It's Murat I feel most sorry for. Almost certainly guiltless of anything other than trying to do what he could to aid the search, and being a bachelor; yet his name, address, personal circumstances etc. were splashed across every newspaper, etc. in the land. How on earth is the man ever supposed to get his life back to normal? Same with the initial suspect in the Ipswich murders (the supermarket worker later released without charge). Surely we could legislate to prevent the publication of suspect details in these kinds of cases, at least up until the point when the trial (if there ever is one) takes place?


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 04 May 08 - 11:35 AM

I can understand some people feeling this topic has been exhausted. However, since it has been rammed down our throats for a whole year some of us do need to comment to get rid of the frustration of it all.

For me it is the constantly changing goalposts:

Criticising the parents is hurtful and unhelpful but it is OK to criticise the police, the media, Robert Murat and two of his friends (who also are entitled to be considered innocent until proven guilty). I just hope he is as successful in his compensation bid - which he presumably has to fund himself.

The police and the media are not allowed to "leak" information but it is OK for the extended family and friends to do this.

Only certain people are allowed to point the finger.

The family hope that the limelight focus on them will die down soon, (except when it suits them for it not to).

The list is never ending.

If we could have some respite from it all I'm sure the need to go on about it would disappear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 04 May 08 - 11:07 AM

Sorry Giok, when I want a comment from you I will ask for it. Now go play with your nice little friends, sorry I don't do ego massaging.

If Joe feels there is a problem with a thread or a comment from me I will sit up and listen. Never was one to heed the organ grinders monkey or the shoe shine boy.

If members wish to discuss a topic I don't think it is necessary (yet)to run it past you first is it ?

A legend in his own lunchtime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Ythanside
Date: 04 May 08 - 10:46 AM

Trying to remain objective while viewing such a desperately tragic case as this is virtually impossible, as almost any comment places the author in an invidious position. The judicial system, however, is unemotional and impartial, and it seems inevitable that Madelaine's parents will at some time be called to account for their actions. My hope is that a compassionate judge will admonish them. Anything more punitive would be inhuman.

As a parent I cannot, for one single moment, imagine the torture that the McCanns must be suffering throughout every minute of every day. They are living the nightmare of mothers and fathers the world over, and no words exist to assuage their pain.
They have the heartfelt sympathy of millions, me included.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Big Phil
Date: 04 May 08 - 10:38 AM

I agree with Victor. As suspects, the parents ought to be treated as such, not as minor celebrity's.

Phil*


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Big Phil
Date: 04 May 08 - 10:35 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: skarpi
Date: 04 May 08 - 10:01 AM

Victor !! you said "freedom of opinion". Good go on please I would like to see more from you , you do in fact point out a good facts and I like
it but there is always a gray line we all go , and thats when we start Judge , there is a diffrent between judging and havin opinion .


The word " Freedom " its a strong word and it have a great meaning ,
here in Iceland we " still " have this freedom to leave our kids alone
outside playin without worry about some bad people, but it could change someday .

Like I said before its a SAD WORLD we live in .

All the best to you all
Skarpi Iceland


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Emma B
Date: 04 May 08 - 09:08 AM

Mystery remains: why was she left alone?

The view from the Irish press

'Not just here in Luz, but everywhere, that news of the details of that night has travelled. There has been criticism of the McCanns for leaving three small children alone in a strange apartment while they socialised with friends.

"In Portugal, we absolutely adore children," said another local. "We just cannot get our heads around the fact that these small babies were on their own in a town where children are always welcome, no matter what time of night or day."

I tell her that in a documentary due to be screened this week on ITV, Kate McCann is understood to explain that they would have used a baby-listening service had one been available, but because there wasn't they decided instead to leave the children alone and make regular checks on them.

"There was a babysitting facility and an evening creche available, why didn't they use that," she asks.

I have no answer for her, being totally unable to comprehend the McCanns' actions with regard to the welfare of their children.'

The Irish Independent sunday May 4


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 04 May 08 - 09:02 AM

I am 100% with you akenaton. I would like to say more here but got bombed the last time I did.

If only akenaton it was "freedom of opinion". I doubt many here could agree that it is, well if your a crew member maybe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: skarpi
Date: 04 May 08 - 07:57 AM

hallo all

Keep saying these things, Victor, and you will be attacked constantly for telling the truth.
Those who criticise you seem blind to the fact that children must be protected from those who abuse or neglect them. ??

First of all , I am not attacking Victor , I only said :no one is quilty
unless proof otherwise , thats the law remember ? .



Thanks Ythanside, there are a few snobs without substance on here. If the parents had been working class and out drinking beer after a football match they would be getting the wrath of this crew.


and Second , I am not a snop Victor and I have never been .
but in Mudcat there has always been " black and white about
some tihngs that people are not agree with ,


and third : I will not judge in this matter . So keep on
wandering about it and judge as you please , as I said if those
unlucky McCann s have some thing to hide the past will come back ,
just remember the Island Jersey few months back .

So all good folks ,
ATB Skarpi Iceland


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 May 08 - 05:39 AM

I Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: akenaton
Date: 04 May 08 - 05:16 AM

This forum is designed to allow members and guests to express their opinions. If some members don't like the opinions of others, they can either refute them or dont open the thread.

Gagging is not permissible IMO.

Personally, from what I have read and filling in the blanks,I believe the McCanns guilty of a crime involving the death of the child and concealment of that crime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Ythanside
Date: 04 May 08 - 05:16 AM

Amen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 May 08 - 04:21 AM

Absolutely right Victor.

But banging on about it, hovering over them like a vulture, and delighting in sticking pins in their eyes isn't helping the child whose entitlements you're claiming to be so protective of.

The McCanns may not be publically offering themselves up for possible flagellation and crucifixion, but I'd bet my pension AND yours that, in private, they're already nailed to the cross.

Let's leave it to the legal profession, and concentrate on the enormous task of finding out what happened to the child, eh? Seems the Christian thing to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 04 May 08 - 03:09 AM

Thanks Ythanside, there are a few snobs without substance on here. If the parents had been working class and out drinking beer after a football match they would be getting the wrath of this crew.

As you correctly pointed out eanjay the parents do not take responsibility for their actions. To leave three children alone one night is scandalous. To admit to leaving three children every night of their holiday is beyond words.

Children are entitled to protection even if the parents are incapable of providing it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 May 08 - 02:59 AM

The parents were in the wrong. I know it, anyone with half a working brain-cell knows it and, guess what, the McCann's will know it too - far better than any of us.

They must be suffering not only the torture of losing their child, but the even worse torture of knowing their actions, if not the cause, were a major contributing factor to her disappearance.

There's no need for us to beat them up, my guess is that they beat themselves up constantly. And, at some point in time, they will be taken to task by the legal system.

They're in hell already. Let's leave them to their personal misery, and pray for that little girl. I will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 May 08 - 09:05 PM

Oh, I 'agree' with Victor too, never said I didn't. I just don't see the need to hash and re hash on the Mudcat. I guess that is BS for you tho.

So, it's 'news'. Eh? News has sure come down in quality. If it's not 'entertainment' it's not News. Sorry, I'm such a cynic.

skipy, I AGREE with YOU too! I wish I'd never heard of her.


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