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BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Sep 08 - 11:34 AM
GUEST,Social Worker 09 Sep 08 - 11:11 AM
Mark Ross 09 Sep 08 - 10:36 AM
Emma B 09 Sep 08 - 10:18 AM
Paul Burke 09 Sep 08 - 10:17 AM
GUEST,Thornton 09 Sep 08 - 09:50 AM
GUEST,lox 18 Apr 08 - 12:36 PM
Bryn Pugh 18 Apr 08 - 05:55 AM
Janice in NJ 17 Apr 08 - 07:26 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Apr 08 - 07:38 AM
Emma B 17 Apr 08 - 06:39 AM
Bryn Pugh 17 Apr 08 - 06:29 AM
CarolC 16 Apr 08 - 09:55 PM
Stilly River Sage 16 Apr 08 - 09:45 PM
Bobert 16 Apr 08 - 08:22 PM
kendall 16 Apr 08 - 07:46 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 16 Apr 08 - 04:00 PM
CarolC 16 Apr 08 - 03:41 PM
McGrath of Harlow 16 Apr 08 - 03:40 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 16 Apr 08 - 03:35 PM
CarolC 16 Apr 08 - 03:32 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 16 Apr 08 - 03:26 PM
CarolC 16 Apr 08 - 03:00 PM
CarolC 16 Apr 08 - 02:56 PM
Ebbie 16 Apr 08 - 02:43 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 16 Apr 08 - 02:28 PM
CarolC 16 Apr 08 - 02:08 PM
Ebbie 16 Apr 08 - 01:50 PM
CarolC 16 Apr 08 - 01:47 PM
Stilly River Sage 16 Apr 08 - 01:36 PM
Bryn Pugh 16 Apr 08 - 11:19 AM
CarolC 16 Apr 08 - 11:11 AM
CarolC 16 Apr 08 - 11:03 AM
Uncle_DaveO 16 Apr 08 - 09:56 AM
Bryn Pugh 16 Apr 08 - 09:00 AM
George Papavgeris 16 Apr 08 - 08:28 AM
McGrath of Harlow 16 Apr 08 - 08:28 AM
closet-folkie 16 Apr 08 - 08:20 AM
Janice in NJ 16 Apr 08 - 08:09 AM
Bryn Pugh 16 Apr 08 - 07:12 AM
Sandy Mc Lean 16 Apr 08 - 07:11 AM
GUEST,lox 16 Apr 08 - 06:10 AM
Bryn Pugh 16 Apr 08 - 04:27 AM
Amos 15 Apr 08 - 10:56 PM
Bonecruncher 15 Apr 08 - 09:08 PM
McGrath of Harlow 15 Apr 08 - 08:23 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 15 Apr 08 - 07:55 PM
GUEST,Chief Chaos 15 Apr 08 - 06:33 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 11:34 AM

Political Correctness has reached absurdity...its the way the Fascist control your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I'm going to close this thread since it's an April thread refreshed by a drive-by anonymous poster. If you're a registered member, you're welcome to start another thread on the subject.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,Social Worker
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 11:11 AM

Nice one Mark, we also have intolerance, giok normally sorts it though ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Mark Ross
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 10:36 AM

The town I live in(Eugene, Oregon)just won an award for political correctness. They made lactose intolerance a hate crime!

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 10:18 AM

Andrew Lloyd-Webber on why political correctness must go

and from 'guest' Thornton...

'If they chased half of those on leeches on benefits back to back we wouldn't need them.'

an incredibly similar message (if you can get past the mangled English) like 'guests' Ledbury and Folkestone but yet another British placename -
this guy must be on his travels again :)

btw
'The Broadway debut of Jesus Christ Superstar in 1971 was condemned by religious groups but was followed by a West End production and a film.
Christian organisations called the show blasphemous and Jewish groups described it as anti-Semitic.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Paul Burke
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 10:17 AM

Yet another inflammaTory post from a hatemongering guest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,Thornton
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 09:50 AM

Andrew Lloyd Webber has said today many of his famous musicals might not have been made today because of political correctness and for fear of offending minorities.

Two of Lord Lloyd Webber's biggest shows were inspired by accounts in the Bible - Jesus Christ Superstar and Joseph And The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, both written with Tim Rice.


He said, so many people nowadays are obsessed with things offending people.They say you can't do this because it will offend that community, and then you can't say this because the Muslims will be offended by it and we'll end up being talked out of it. Talked out of ideas.He added, when he was 20 he didn't think about those things,you could just do it.

This on the day the government finally announced restrictions on the immigrant workforce. If they chased half of those on leeches on benefits back to back we wouldn't need them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 12:36 PM

Bloody liberals ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 05:55 AM

In the East wind that's blowing across the County today, it's cold enought to freeze the balls off a brass one.

And inclement enough to gelate the appendages off a non-ferrous anthropoid.

Is that politically correct enough ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 07:26 PM

EVOLUTION MAMA

Old Lucian Burns had a gal,
Way down in Tennessee,
She told Lucian all about evolution,
She was sitting down on his knee.
Then one fine day, she got gay, [sic!]
And started stepping out,
But old Brother Lucian started a revolution,
The neighbors all could hear him shout.
What did he say?

He said...
Evolution Mama, Evolution Mama,
Don't you make a monkey out of me.
He said, Evolution Mama, don't you think you got me up a tree?
Now I remember the time I had you nice and tame,
You was eating right out of my hand,
Some fine day, I'm gonna take good aim,
And knock that peanut whistle off of your stand.

Now Evolution Mama, listen while I get you told,
I'm gonna tell you something's gonna make your blood run cold.
Now I ain't half man and I aint half beast,
But I can do you more good than this store bought piece
Evolution Mama, don't you make a monkey out of me.

Evolution Mama, sweet smelling Mama,
Don't you make a monkey out of me.
Now, Evolution Mama, don't you think you got me up a tree?
I remember the time you had me nice and tame,
I was eating right out of your hand.
Some fine day, I'm gonna take good aim,
And knock that peanut whistle off of your stand.

Now Evolution Mama, listen while I get you told,
I'm gonna tell you something's gonna make your blood run cold,
Gonna make you feel mighty old.
Well, I got myself a razor, and I got myself a gun,
Gonna carve on you if you stand still, gonna shoot you if you run,
Well, Evolution Mama, don't you make a monkey out of me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 07:38 AM

But if Bryn's grandson been foolish enough to try climbing a monkey puzzle tree, by definition he would have been acting in an un-monkey-like fashion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:39 AM

To lighten the tone a little...
I was just really interested in Bryn's descrition of the weather we're having in this part of the UK at the moment too as I'd never come across it before.

Monkeys Wedding

apologies for thread drift


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:29 AM

Idle thoughts at idle times.

In respect of my original post, it occurs to me that it is as well the grandson was climbing in the elm tree in my back garden, and not the monkey-puzzle (Araucaria araucana).

Current weather conditions here in Northamptonshire - 'monkey's wedding' (sunshine and showers).


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 09:55 PM

I've said what I have to say, Maggie. You now know where I stand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 09:45 PM

Snort! look who's talking! (Not you, Bobert, you're a real gent.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 08:22 PM

(Gol danged... Think I'll just meander outta here... Whew, Boberdz, these folks into some heavy duty food fightin'... You don't need to be here...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: kendall
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 07:46 PM

Definition of manners: Making other people feel at ease. Simple, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 04:00 PM

>>From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:35 PM

"Generally I try to echo the tone I perceive from the other person."

Another example of monkey see, monkey do????<<

LOL!

Kinda sorta, there is an element of play.

It also appeals to my sense of fairness, and irony.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:41 PM

Stilly River Sage


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:40 PM

Which one is Maggie?


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:35 PM

"Generally I try to echo the tone I perceive from the other person."

Another example of monkey see, monkey do????


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:32 PM

I disagree, Mr. Monkey.

I have had good results in the past, and I did not warn Maggie that I will alert management for the harassment so far. But I think it makes good sense to make sure Maggie knows that I will not tolerate a campaign of harassment from her. That will save us both a lot of time, trouble, and aggravation in the long run.

Maggie has been harassing me for years. I have ignored it so far, but now she seems to be intent upon escalating the harassment. It's time for me to say that it will no longer be tolerated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:26 PM

I have to say that I would not complain to management over that level or type of attack. God knows we have all seen much worse. I think pointing it out is quite enough.

Is it just me or is SRS acting like the lady in the article. Instead of calling us monkeys, she is pretending that she is afraid of us as she metaphorically gets right up in our faces.

Carol is now warning her that if she keeps it up Joe might give her a "ticket" for "disorderly conduct" more likely he will just tell the lot of us to stop bothering him over trivia.

Folks its just the Internet. While I do have some heartfelt opinions. Mostly its just banter, nothing scary, nothing sinister. Just talking on the internet. Generally I try to echo the tone I perceive from the other person. I figure if they want to talk that way. That's the way they want to be talked to. It work quite well for most people. Its quite a bit of fun with a lot. Like Amos, Little Hawk, BillD, Mick and Gnu, to name a few. But some people, it just pisses them off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 03:00 PM

...which, by the way, the management has been doing a much better job of enforcing than they used to. There used to be a problem with a lack of consistent enforcement of the rules. This seems to no longer be the case. Or at least it hasn't been so much of a problem for me in the last few months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 02:56 PM

Depends on the threat, Ebbie. One of the remedies for harassment is to alert the management to the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 02:43 PM

My post etherized. I had responded: You have a point but aren't threats also proscribed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 02:28 PM

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 01:36 PM

Jack and Carol,

You two are really scary.

And this is a mild thread.

SRS<<

You think this is scary?!!

Imagine what we would do to you if we caught you climbing in our tree!!!

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 02:08 PM

Gratuitous harassment is against Mudcat rules, Ebbie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 01:50 PM

Wow


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 01:47 PM

I find it interesting, and also quite revealing, Maggie, that of the dozens of people who have posted opinions on this thread that differ from yours, you have chosen to target me and JtS with your harassment. You're not the first person who has decided to target me in this way here in the Mudcat, and you probably won't be the last. But nobody who has done it in the past has been happy with the results in the long run. Consider yourself warned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 01:36 PM

Jack and Carol,

You two are really scary.

And this is a mild thread.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 11:19 AM

|Thank you, Uncle Dave and CarolC.

Uncle Dave, I don't like 'em any more than you do, but without face to face contact it's difficult to convey atmosphere and humour.

Either than or some 'Catters are extremely thin-skinned and, to use a good old UK expression, po-faced and prodnosed !

Kind regards to you both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 11:11 AM

On the subject of political correctness... I live in a neighborhood that is almost all Black. I love my neighborhood and I care a lot about my neighbors. They are important to me. I could decide that I'm not going to care about "political correctness" and not be careful what I say because I believe in freedom of speech, and to hell with anyone's feelings. I choose to not do that because I am aware that using some terms, like monkey, for instance, when referring to any of my neighbors, even if I don't mean it in a racist way, may cause hurt for at least some of them. There really is a legitimate reason for this based on real experiences. I don't want to hurt them because I care about them. So I don't do it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 11:03 AM

Bryn Pugh...

;-P


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 09:56 AM

As to a symbol to indicate jokiness, try :-), :->, :-;, and so forth.

I dislike them, along with the smiley-face icons, but that's an option.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 09:00 AM

What McGrath said.

We can use colon, hyphen, bracket to denote a jokey remark - believe it or not, all my previous posts were tongue-in-cheek.

(Vide 'my Dad and your Dad', supra.)

Pity there ain't a "symbol" to alert the sensitive to tongue in cheek comments. More accurately, if there is I don't know of it, but if there is, I'll lay that a 'Catter knows of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 08:28 AM

Janice in NJ, I recognise the use of the expression "politically correct" as code words to ridicule. Why, we see it often enough on Mudcat also. But while I don't condone the practice, I do wonder whether over-use of the term in the past is partially to blame.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 08:28 AM

The duty of courtesy towards others is generally more important than exercising our right of free speech in a way that offends against this duty.

I think that is the size of it.

And our duty of courtesy towards others includes not being quick to take offence where offence is not intended.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: closet-folkie
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 08:20 AM

Sandy McLean said--"I think that many more people are quicker to take offense than in years past. I also don't think that rights of free speech have to be limited to appease sensitivities that are trivial."
That's about the size of it really, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 08:09 AM

Chief Chaos wrote: It's been my experience that the term "political correctness" is used to describe a situation where something "might offend" somebody rather than in an instance where someone has actually been offended.

Oh, if that were only the case! My experience has been what I said before, which is that the terms "poltically correct" and "political correctness" have been used as code words to ridicule, marginalize, and dismiss both people and ideas. Those of us in the USA can hear the terms used this way in the daily talk radio diatribes of Messers. Limbaugh, Savage, and Hannity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 07:12 AM

If you don't get off my case, Lox, I'll get my Dad to sort your Dad out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 07:11 AM

It happens often:
Neighbourhood children playing together get into a scuffle. Parents defending their own enter the fray. Next day the children are back playing together and all is forgotten. The parents, however, retain their anger for a lifetime.
In any case in the follow up news story the neighbours seem to have put it in the past. I think that many more people are quicker to take offense than in years past. I also don't think that rights of free speech have to be limited to appease sensitivities that are trivial.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 06:10 AM

Exactly as predicted.

I couldn't have asked for a better case study.

Cheeky monkey xx


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 04:27 AM

I can, and do, accept criticism, but not from anonymous asources.

Lox - read the penultimate sentence in my original posting, and act on it.

Love and kisses, Bryn Neanderthal Pugh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Amos
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 10:56 PM

Jaysus, what a BIG storm in such an itsy-bitasy widdle teacup!! I swear I sometimes wonder where the grownups ran off to...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 09:08 PM

Coming in late on this thread, I noticed that in the first post "Cmdr. Michael Kilbourne said a ticket was issued because the ordinance bans conduct that disturbs or alarms people, and one of the boys told police he was scared by her comment.
st report."
Depending on the way the question is asked of a witness, an appropriate answer can be elicited to convict a defendant. Lawyers are adept at such questioning and this is now permeating to the police, certainly here in Britain.
As a witness to an incident of potential violence I was asked by a policeman if the words used by the arrested person causd me to be shocked, frightened, scared or what might have been my reaction. He was quite put out by my comment that I thought the words said were nothing more than the rantings of a drunk who would have been unlikely, the next day, to have been able to remember anything about the incident.
Due to my, I think reasoned, response I was considered to have been an unreliable witness. The policeman had in effect, been trying to put words into my mouth to enable him to obtain a conviction.
Colyn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 08:23 PM

We don't in fact "know" why offence was taken in this case, because we don't know the full circumstances. We can guess, and we can pick through that press story and decide which version of the incident we believe and which we don't, and we might be right, and we might be wrong. But it makes more sense to pay attention to the issues stirred up rather than to the particular incident.

At one time it was the French who were liable to be referred to as monkeys in England, hence the unfortunate case of the Hartlepool Monkey, said to have been hanged after being accused of being a French spy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 07:55 PM

Sorry Dave, your explanation doesn't quite cut it. You can't play games like that. We all know why offense was taken,the inference to monkey was as evident as the nose on your face, mon frere!

We all know it was taken out of context, but you can't change the reason why people took offense - neither you or I can put ourselves in that position so it is no use to argue against it - it won't work!


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 06:33 PM

Didn't say it was.

But Meself, does that mean you think I shouldn't be offended because what happened to the Irish happened 100 years ago and not as recently? Why?

pResident Bush is also currently depicted as a chimpanzee all the time! Should all Republicans be offended? Should all Texans be offended? Should all white males be offended? Should all Americans be offended (when we're not laughing like hell at the depiction?)

If the point of this was that they were offended by their children acting in a manner that is typical of monkeys in trees I think the offended are showing a surprising lack of understanding of metaphor and euphemism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 06:23 PM

"If you care to look into it, in the late 1800's and early 1900's the Irish immigrants to America were often depicted as monkeys."

And if you care to look into it, in the early 2000s African-Americans are often referred to as monkeys, apes, etc., on various internet sites, on-line message boards, discussions, etc. Sorry, folks, this stuff is not ancient history.


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Subject: RE: BS: Political Correctness Gone Too Far
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 05:57 PM

If you care to look into it, in the late 1800's and early 1900's the Irish immigrants to America were often depicted as monkeys. being approximately 50% Irish in my heritage I take no offense at any term using the word monkey as described in the first post. I probably wouldn't take too much offense at someone saying I looked like a monkey due to the fact that I find most of the monkey family to be handsome creatures.

Here's a story on political correctness - The U.S. military discarded and destroyed thousands of copies of a training manual for nurses because it used the pronouns she and her throughout the manual (even though field nurses (a.k.a. Corpsmen) were predominantly male throughout all wars) because male nurses might be offended. This cost the U.S. tax payer a few million to have the training manuals replaced.

It's been my experience that the term "political correctness" is used to describe a situation where something "might offend" somebody rather than in an instance where someone has actually been offended.

I think in the case of the training manual I'm more offended by the stupidity of the officials involved and the cost of the replacements.


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