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Accents and Dialect

Gurney 02 Feb 09 - 10:11 PM
sid 02 Feb 09 - 04:43 AM
Dave Sutherland 12 Jan 09 - 04:42 AM
Colin Randall 12 Jan 09 - 03:43 AM
Tootler 24 Aug 07 - 06:23 PM
Dave the Gnome 24 Aug 07 - 04:28 PM
GUEST,Terry McDonald 24 Aug 07 - 12:44 PM
folk1e 24 Aug 07 - 12:40 PM
GUEST,sinky 24 Aug 07 - 12:14 PM
Dave Sutherland 24 Aug 07 - 12:10 PM
GUEST,sinky 24 Aug 07 - 11:46 AM
GUEST, Sminky 24 Aug 07 - 11:25 AM
the button 24 Aug 07 - 10:51 AM
GUEST, Sminky 24 Aug 07 - 10:44 AM
Colin Randall 24 Aug 07 - 10:32 AM
GUEST 24 Aug 07 - 10:31 AM
GUEST,Edmond 24 Aug 07 - 10:23 AM
GUEST 24 Aug 07 - 10:02 AM
Howard Jones 16 Aug 07 - 02:49 PM
GUEST,The black belt caterpillar wrestler 16 Aug 07 - 07:43 AM
Trevor 16 Aug 07 - 06:31 AM
Trevor 16 Aug 07 - 06:29 AM
Mrs.Duck 15 Aug 07 - 04:21 PM
GUEST,Captain Swing 15 Aug 07 - 11:52 AM
Georgiansilver 15 Aug 07 - 10:53 AM
Georgiansilver 15 Aug 07 - 10:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 15 Aug 07 - 10:22 AM
GUEST,Mingulay at work 15 Aug 07 - 08:59 AM
Old Grizzly 14 Aug 07 - 06:01 PM
The Villan 14 Aug 07 - 04:40 PM
Linda Kelly 14 Aug 07 - 04:19 PM
The Villan 14 Aug 07 - 03:58 PM
Dave the Gnome 14 Aug 07 - 03:50 PM
Ruth Archer 13 Aug 07 - 06:57 PM
Mrs.Duck 13 Aug 07 - 11:03 AM
The Villan 13 Aug 07 - 10:37 AM
Georgiansilver 13 Aug 07 - 10:04 AM
artbrooks 13 Aug 07 - 09:59 AM
Trevor 13 Aug 07 - 09:21 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 12 Aug 07 - 07:23 PM
Penny S. 12 Aug 07 - 03:53 PM
Ruth Archer 12 Aug 07 - 03:15 PM
bubblyrat 11 Aug 07 - 01:08 PM
GUEST,Murray on Saltspring 10 Aug 07 - 04:20 PM
GUEST,folkie 10 Aug 07 - 10:35 AM
Georgiansilver 10 Aug 07 - 09:06 AM
Cath 09 Aug 07 - 05:20 PM
GUEST,Ay Up 09 Aug 07 - 03:34 PM
Arnie 09 Aug 07 - 03:01 PM
Georgiansilver 09 Aug 07 - 01:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Gurney
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 10:11 PM

The funny thing about accents is... everyone has one. And everyone thinks that they haven't!

This from a Nuneatonian living in New Zealand. I worked for a firm called Chemspec. When I used the 'phone;
"Hello, Chemspec here."
"Sorry, who?"
"Chemspec."
"Who?"
"Kimspik!"
"Oh! Kimspik. Right."


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: sid
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 04:43 AM

Anyone interested in bringing these old English Dialects back to life and joining us at Fylde this year for our gathering of English dialect speakers? Contact mark@markdowding.co.uk, (and please tell your friends - SID - Lancashire Language and Dialect Society)


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 04:42 AM

I am thick and skint but it's got nothing to do with my Geordie accent!


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Colin Randall
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 03:43 AM

"Theres nothing worse than the geordie accent,its bloody awful.It even makes successful people seem thick and skint, "


    Even though 16 or 17 months have elapsed since "Guest sinky" added the above contribution to this thread, I have not been able to get it out of my mind. My argument that accents enrich the language appeared, with due reference to Mudcat, in The National (Abu Dhabi) at the weekend. It is here:

http://thenational.ae/article/20090110/WEEKENDER/23260161/1310

and, with the mention of Mudcat fleshed out, here:

http://www.francesalut.com/2009/01/mark-my-words-with-an-accent-on-where-youre-

Incidentally, it was impossible to gain access to Mudcat from the UAE yesterday. Was there a general problem?


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Tootler
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 06:23 PM

Best thing abaht Lancashire is t'road aht.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 04:28 PM

Famous Lancashire saying -

Yer can all'us tell a yorkshurmon - But yer cornt tell 'im much.

:D


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 12:44 PM

The Dorset dialect poet, William Barnes, when asked why he didn't write in the King's English replied that he did.....it was the English spoken when Alfred ruled from Winchester.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: folk1e
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 12:40 PM

Very Trollish GUEST,sinky
It was the prefered wisdom at the BBC,Oxbridge etc though!
Wen I wer at skewl there were at least four distinct accents from a catchment area of 2 miles! I still live in the same place but the accents have homoganised out of recognition.
BTW if a county is a shire when it has a principle town of the same name how about Manchesershire? or even Greater Manchestershire?
Maybe we could have a "three way" war of the roses at saddleworth (in the afforesaid shire)


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 12:14 PM

DaveS,is that a local solicitors bonny lad man woman girl.Sing us one of those good old fishy on a dishy songs man.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 12:10 PM

GUEST sinky - hadaway an shite.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 11:46 AM

Theres nothing worse than the geordie accent,its bloody awful.It even makes successful people seem thick and skint,


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 11:25 AM

the button - I lived in Hull for about 9 years. I could never even begin to mimic the way the locals pronounced 'no'. My attempts were also hampered by the fact that the girls didn't use the word very often!


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: the button
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 10:51 AM

I'm from the East Riding, and usually get on OK down here in That London. With the exception of ordering takeaways over the phone (or "phern," as all right-thinking people pronounce it).

I didn't realise I still had much of an accent until I recorded some internet radio shows. Blimey.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 10:44 AM

Two scouse ladies in conversation:

1 "My husband works fer Cunard"

2 "Well, my husband works f*ck'n 'ard too"


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Colin Randall
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 10:32 AM

My parents moved from Sussex to County Durham when I was about three months' old but it is to my eternal regret that they later insisted on sending me to elocution lessions to make sure I didn't grow up talking like my mates. For all my attempts to confound them, the ruse broadly succeeded.

I love it when people sing in their own accents - Kate Rusby, Bob Fox, Johnny Handle and of course countless others - and hate it when they deliberately don't. But then I always thought Cara Dillon affected a slightly mid-Atlantic accent in her singing, which she certainly doesn't have in conversation, only to be told by someone from her part of Ulster that it was perfectly natural. When I heard her version of There Were Roses, on which she sounded every bit as Ulster as Tommy Sands, I dropped all resistance.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 10:31 AM

Guest, Aw theawt ? Guest ? - Aw theawt Aw were a bonny fide Member o Mudceeott. eestow, Aw'm noan workin frum me eeawn set, but thet o Mether in Leaw, seestow. Appen yons raisun whey.

Dost know o ony Chesheer doinlict Society ? Aw'd be fain if theaw dost, er maught.

If dost theaw mought PM mi - thawst find me at 'Edmond', mi best Sunndey name.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,Edmond
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 10:23 AM


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 10:02 AM

. Bye, A'wm fur threaped.

As it stonds, Wafe and Aw 're baidin in Neawarthomptonsheer, summ godfergeeten owal seawth on Mecclesfeld. |If theaw gooz deawn M6 (an Gud a murrcy of theene seawl !)un turrns eawf at Junction 10 appen theawd fainde us.

Aw'd noan put bress on, seestow.

Thi cowal a jigger an jitty - dist ever heer loike ?

Aw twald um Aw'd feawd a whale in pole, local. Un Aw twald um Aw'd petched bugger - it wurr baout spokes seestow

Tek curr. Odmunt Bryn Pugh, i Chesheer Speaken.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Howard Jones
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 02:49 PM

Some years ago my next door neighbours had a small boy. He spent a lot of time with his grandfather and spoke with a very broad Cheshire accent, which you don't often hear nowadays. He sounded like an old man talking, but was only 3 or 4.

One day he looked over the fence and asked,

"Where's missus?"

"She's at work", I said

"Did yer put 'er t'work?" he asked

Another time, I was cleaning a camping stove on the back porch.

"What yer doin?"

I explained. He listened carefully, then turned round and shouted indoors, "Master next door's mendin' t'clock!"


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,The black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 07:43 AM

I have a book somewhere called "Glowing embers on a Somerset fire" that makes an interesting observation about Somerset words and phrases.
It advances the theory that the local people deliberately avoided the use of these new "Johnny come lately" Latin rooted words brought in by the Romans and mispronounced them where they were unavoidable.

Also it's interesting that the words for cooked meat such as "beef" and "mutton" are French derived, while the words for the animals themselves are not. It's the upper class French speakers who got to eat them while the surfs just looked after them! They were allowed to keep pigs though so we have "pork".


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Trevor
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 06:31 AM

Bah the way, wi cud ave sum baircon n eggs if wid got sum baircon.

Trubble is, we ay got no eggs.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Trevor
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 06:29 AM

Woss the diffrence between a buffalo an a bison?
Yow cor wash yer feet in a buffalo.

Aynoch an Ayli goo t'Orstralia fer they'r olidiz.
Aynoch sez t' Ayli "Wher'es e a'gooin wi that plonk on is showlder?"
"Tharay a plonk," sez Ayli, "its a sairf boord"
"Ooh tha sowends good dow it. Less watch 'im"
Anyroad, a shark jumps owt the water an ates the blowk an is board.
"Wot yow say that's called?" sez Aynoch.
"Sairf boordin" sez Ayli.
"Well it dow look very bloody sairf to me!"


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 04:21 PM

I know what you mean Linda. Doesn't take much to turn me back into an Essex girl!


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 11:52 AM

Q. What do you call a Chinese person who lives between Stourbridge and Halesowen?

A. Yow Min Lye


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:53 AM

or if you want it in Devonshire    O R Man


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:50 AM

Y I Man


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:22 AM

Just remembered another

Geordie goes to his C.O.
"Them natives have started playin' the drums, Sir!"

C.O.
"Are they war drums"

Geordie
"Nae, I think they have got thur own..."

:D


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 08:59 AM

"Om gooin dairn tairn t' get sum dug grub." That's how we talk where I was born in deepest Northamptonshire and after nearly 50 years away it still makes sense to me. So much more interesting than Estuary English.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Old Grizzly
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 06:01 PM

"have been in the midlands over the weekend and my accent, much hammered out by years in London and Yorkshire came flooding back! -I speak like The Villan now! "

Thay assner aif gorra bite a bit, burrif thee wossna born in th'pottries, thay cossna towk rate cost me duck?

D


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 04:40 PM

Thats alroight loik then akid (Linda)


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 04:19 PM

have been in the midlands over the weekend and my accent, much hammered out by years in London and Yorkshire came flooding back! -I speak like The Villan now!


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 03:58 PM

:-)


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 03:50 PM

From a Dudley tailors shop in the 60's

Would sir like a Kipper Tie?

Yez, pleze. Milk and towe sugers...

Two Lancashire lads on holiday on the Wye

What's that old church?

Tintern Abbey

'tis an abbey!

Edinburgh cake shop

Is that a sponge cake or a meringue?

Aye, it is a sponge cake and yer nae wrang.

:D


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 06:57 PM

"Am that roight our Eynock?"

Yow am that, our Ayli.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 11:03 AM

I've always been something of a linguistic chameleon which can be a benefit or a disadvantage depending on circumstances. Last week I was mainly Welsh! Bore da.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: The Villan
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 10:37 AM

Warwickshire - was that mentioned.

I beleive that the Black country dialect is the oldest in England.

Am that roight our Eynock?


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 10:04 AM

speshully uz vrum Debm


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:59 AM

Yuns Brits tawk funny.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Trevor
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:21 AM

I live in Shropshire, and work in the county town of Shrop.... erm...

Ahm a yammer baa bairth tho.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Aug 07 - 07:23 PM

I have the misfortune to be summat of a dialect and accent sponge. Four weeks in any region with a strong local accent, and even my wife has difficulty understanding me.

I once had the Nawf Lunnon accent, but now after thirty years it's mostly somewhere between grammar school standard and Kentish.

I den't spend any time in Newcastle or Brum. Imagine it....halfway between Jimmy Nail and Jasper Carrott.

Don T.

P.S. At last I have found the thread this was intended for (senior moments, I suppose).


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Penny S.
Date: 12 Aug 07 - 03:53 PM

I've lived in Kent most of my life, and I've never heard a soul speak of its being a shire. Kelly or no Kelly. It's been Kent with suffixes such as ion and ium since before the Conquest - the Roman one, that is. Its regional capital took its name from the region, not the other way round. Durovernum Cantiacorum under the Romans, the fort by the alders belonging to the men of Kent. Cantwaraburg under the English, the fort of the men of Kent. It was not part of the re-organisation that set up the shires under the English kings.

Nor was Sussex. Or Northumberland, or Cumberland.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 12 Aug 07 - 03:15 PM

No one's mentioned the Black Country accent/dialect, which also contains some extraordinary grammatical idiosyncracies and word usages, like "wench" for girl, which I found fascinating when I lived there.

Q: What do they call the Dudley branch of Toys R Us?

A: Toys Am We.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: bubblyrat
Date: 11 Aug 07 - 01:08 PM

Not much accent-wise to report or comment on from Henley-on -Thames, I"m afraid, although persons from nearby Reading have a readily discernible accent,typified by the excruciatingly awful way in which they pronounce words like "sprouts " ( as in Brussels Sprouts ), which they manage to make sound like the Dutch " ui " sound ( impossible to reproduce in written form ,but perfectly ghastly, I do assure you ). As one progresses further north into Oxfordshire, one encounters something much more akin to a "burr", as personified by the esteemed Pam Ayres----beyond that , it"s all Bandit Country to most of us, I fear, and quite beyond comprehension.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 04:20 PM

A county is a shire; and I believe the "shire" should only be suffixed to the name of a [county] town. Fife, my own county, has been called Fifeshire in the past, but this is wrong since there's no town called Fife. But then we always call it a kingdom, of course.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,folkie
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 10:35 AM

Sorry, Guest.Dave Hunt, but Kent is a shire.
It is the ninth English shire in size as deifined in Kelly's 1902 directory.

Surprising but unrefutable.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 09:06 AM

My grandfather used to be a very broad Devonshire speaker..such wonderful answers to my questions .....ie....to...... "Ware be gwain gfanf'r"?...he would reply something like "Gwain down therawd drayin''ood buyy".......I also remember several people in our village talking about lectrizical lightin'


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Cath
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 05:20 PM

Thank you Ay Up.
I was sent this some time back in an email and it didn't work on my Mac. It were grand.


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: GUEST,Ay Up
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 03:34 PM

Yorkshire Airlines


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Arnie
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 03:01 PM

If you want to see and hear some classic Yorkshire dialect and humour, have a look at the Lycos Yorkshire Airlines video clip - easy to find through any search engine. It fair creased me up tha' knows!


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Subject: RE: Accents and Dialect
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 01:16 PM

That's great thanks Dave.


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