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Lyr Req: Death of Young Andrew (from Martin Carthy

Richard Bridge 05 Jul 07 - 01:46 PM
GUEST,Russ 05 Jul 07 - 02:14 PM
GUEST,Russ 05 Jul 07 - 02:19 PM
The Borchester Echo 05 Jul 07 - 02:22 PM
GUEST 05 Jul 07 - 02:43 PM
GUEST,Noreen 05 Jul 07 - 02:55 PM
Richard Bridge 05 Jul 07 - 02:56 PM
Richard Bridge 05 Jul 07 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,Noreen 06 Jul 07 - 07:59 AM
greg stephens 06 Jul 07 - 08:03 AM
GUEST,Russ 06 Jul 07 - 09:04 AM
Noreen 06 Jul 07 - 09:27 AM
Muttley 09 Jul 07 - 02:11 AM
GUEST,PMB 09 Jul 07 - 04:11 AM
Valmai Goodyear 09 Jul 07 - 04:17 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 01:46 PM

I've drawn a blank searching for this and I said I'd try to get the words for "Cruel Folk" (see their myspace -- http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=71647195 -- the blickifier is on the blink right now).

The only person I ever heard sing it was Paul Hurst - formerly of Kiss teh Tarmac, but it was after the demise of Kiss the Tarmac and so far John Barden's capacious memory (nearly as good as his bottomless pint glass) has yielded no secrets.

Anyway, plot is seducer seduces rich daughter of man with castle and treasure, and persuades her to abscond with him bringing with her much of daddy's treasure. Having got the treasure (and presumably the nookie too) he takes all her clothes and sends her back to her castle either to freeze to death or to knock on the door and wake up her now treasureless and probably rather cross father, stark naked, seduced, and broke.

Her brothers decide this was not nice and pursue the seducer, and catch him, whereupon they give him a good kicking - and then comes the nice (nasty) touch and I can remember some of the words--

"twain brake his arms and twain brake his legs and twain brake his collarbone"

thenthey prop himup against a tree, and set out the stolen treasure before him on their sister's cloak - and I think set candles or lanterns - urge him to behold it and here comes another lovely touch, tell him

"guard it well from the wolves this night"

OK, who can come up with title, melody, recording artist, and recording?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 02:14 PM

Martin Carthy also does it.
I think he calls it "Young Edward."

Russ (Permanent GUEST)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 02:19 PM

OOPS!

Try
"Death of Young Andrew" on "Because It's There."

Russ (Permanent GUEST)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 02:22 PM

Sounds more like Young Andrew, Child #48.
Young Edward is about dead dogs.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 02:43 PM

Young Andrew in the Digitrad.

In that version, she dies and the wolves get him.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: GUEST,Noreen
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 02:55 PM

Yep, it's Young Andrew (Child #48), with brothers and revenge spliced from elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 02:56 PM

Clearly the same story - and reading it some of the lines are the same or similar - but the lines I remember so clearly are not there, nor those two lovely twists in the story. Yes, the woman might have died in the version I heard too, and the bit about the vexed father sounds familiar - but it's not quite the same.

Have you got the Carthy words, Russ? It's a good possibility because Paul was a Carthy addict (wise man)


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Subject: Lyr Add: DEATH OF YOUNG ANDREW (from Martin Carthy
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 03:01 PM

Ah-hah

Here are the Carthy words, and they are the ones.
^^
One night as I lay on my bed
A dreadful draught of sleep I drew
For I dreamed as all the trees turned brown
That I saw the death of young Andrew
For the moon shone bright and it give good light
Welcome she rise my honey my sweet
For seven long years you have been gone
I thought chance was we'd never more meet

And he's ta'en her all in his arms
And there they kissed both cheek and chin
And they loved sweet and they loved long
Before that one was two again

And O my love and sweet my love
And dear my love if you love me
Go fetch me some of your father's gold
The time has come that we was away

Now she's run down to her father's hall
For well she knew where his good gold lay
So swiftly she's returned again
She's counted it out all down by his knee

For he's ta'en her by the lily-white hand
And he's led her up the hill so high
But oh the smiles they fell from his mouth
As dark and grim there grew his eye

Take off take off your velvet gown
Deliver it here over to me
For I've a love in a far far land
That I love far far more than thee

Take off take off your silken robe
Deliver it here over to me
For I've a love in a far far land
And I've been too long gone from she

But O my love and sweet my love
And love Andrew that lay with me
You loved me sweet and you loved me long
So why do you now love betray

But he's drawn out his good long sword
And he's placed it twixt her nose and her chin
Cries You may die on the point of this
Or you may run naked home again

And oh the bitter tears down fall
As down her clothes fell at his feet
And her body lately so deep in love
A hiding place from shame did seek

And there she's stood at her father's door
She's naked as the day she's born
Oh rise rise and let me in
For the night winds whip me to the bone

But up and spoke her own father
All where he lay in his high bedroom
Oh that thief and whore is at my door
Let no-one rise and let her in

But when he's waked in the bright morning
And all the birds began to sing
He's spied his daughter lying dead
She's dead and cold as any stone

And oh the bitter tears down fall
And seven sons stood all around
Crying Why's our sister lying dead
And why did you not let her in

And they have sworn a solemn oath
And they have sworn by earth and sky
That they would take this young Andrew
That he would wish for the day he'd die

And up they rose these seven brothers
And they chased him deep into Wales
There they caught him by such a wile
That now he must tell no more such tales

For there he stood this young Andrew
Like any fox they ringed him round
Crying We've not come for our father
But for the sister you done down

Two of them they broke his legs
And two of them broke his collar bone
And two of them broke his two arms
They leaned him back all against a stone

And up and rose the eldest one
Saying See the pity we show thee
For you ne'er shed our sister's blood
So we'll not do that unto thee

And they took up their father's gold
And they laid it out in young Andrew's sight
Saying, Guard this well ye young Andrew
Defend it well from the wolves tonight

And they have left this young Andrew
As naked as the day he's born
Saying Men will strip you to the skin
But the wolves will strip you to the bone


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: GUEST,Noreen
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 07:59 AM

That taught him a lesson!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 08:03 AM

I think dad deserved a bit of a slap on the wrist too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 09:04 AM

I've always really liked Carthy's version.

Song has an excellent body count and the revenge motif works for me.

But I've never learned it.

Martin's tune is a bit vague and I can't think of many situations where it would be just the right song to sing.

Russ (Permanent GUEST)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: Noreen
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 09:27 AM

Think of it from dad's point of view Greg- single parent, struggling to bring up eight children on his own, has his hard-earned savings stolen, gets woken up in the middle of the night...

(sorry! :0) )


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: Muttley
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 02:11 AM

Are there chords for this thing - I love revenge songs (LOVE the likes of "Long Lankin" and "Sir James the Rose"

Is there a Midi for the tune? or a recording I can access?

Muttley


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 04:11 AM

They didn't go far enough. They should have got an ASBO for Young Andrew too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 04:17 AM

Come and sing it at Craig Morgan Robson's ballad forum at the Lewes Arms on 11th. November. And any other ballads of any length you fancy.

Valmai
(Lewes)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 10:14 PM

"I can't think of many situations where it would be just the right song to sing."

I suggest at a Hallowe'en party. For adults.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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