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GUEST 23 May 07 - 03:46 PM
Peace 23 May 07 - 03:50 PM
GUEST 23 May 07 - 03:57 PM
GUEST 23 May 07 - 04:00 PM
GUEST, Ebbie 23 May 07 - 04:16 PM
Georgiansilver 23 May 07 - 04:26 PM
GUEST,stigweard no cookie 23 May 07 - 04:29 PM
GUEST, Ebbie 23 May 07 - 04:41 PM
GUEST 23 May 07 - 04:47 PM
Herga Kitty 23 May 07 - 04:53 PM
wysiwyg 23 May 07 - 05:20 PM
Ruth Archer 23 May 07 - 05:23 PM
GUEST,Arnie at work 23 May 07 - 07:08 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 May 07 - 07:26 PM
GUEST, Ebbie 23 May 07 - 07:36 PM
Little Hawk 23 May 07 - 08:02 PM
Bee 23 May 07 - 09:33 PM
Gurney 24 May 07 - 03:20 AM
MBSLynne 24 May 07 - 03:30 AM
GUEST,PMB 24 May 07 - 03:38 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 May 07 - 03:41 AM
Captain Ginger 24 May 07 - 03:45 AM
Wyrd Sister 24 May 07 - 04:38 AM
Stu 24 May 07 - 05:03 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 May 07 - 05:26 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 May 07 - 05:33 AM
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GUEST,PMB 24 May 07 - 06:28 AM
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Ella who is Sooze 24 May 07 - 08:08 AM
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Subject: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 07 - 03:46 PM

So myself and Mrs Stigweard and the dog decide to go to a fine stone circle high in the Peak District (UK) to connect with our ancestors. We park the car, set out across the fields and then through the woods and finally find the stones. We connect with our ancestors, feel the spirit of the genius loci and head of back to the car, at one with 5000 years of the stigweards that came before. Wonderful. Relaxing.

Until . . . we get to the last couple of open fields before we're back at the road, which is full of cows, calves, young bullocks and not-so-young bullocks. This wall of beef takes a real interest in us, and start towards us totally blocking the way (cow-to -cow across the gate out of the field, across the footpath). They start to trot towards us, and after much shouting between Mrs S and myself, I lure the lot (40-odd cows) into the first field by acting as human cowbait as Mrs S and dog make a quick getaway before we both hop over a wall and run around the outside of the last field before the car.

Why do farmers leave their bloody cows on public footpaths?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 07 - 03:50 PM

Because if they leave them on roadways they get hit by automobiles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 07 - 03:57 PM

Because if they do, they know someone filled with the wisdom of 5000 years of their ancestors will come and heard them into the pasture for them..............

I'll get me cap.....

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 07 - 04:00 PM

It was more like they bloody herded me . . .

I've lost me cookie too.

stigweard


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 23 May 07 - 04:16 PM

Just what were you afraid of? They were curious. Cattle that mean you harm will behave much differently.

You say: "...set out across the fields and then through the woods..." Doesn't really sound like a *public* footpath. You sure you weren't in their pasture?

Ah, well. It's good to get the old heart racing sometimes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 May 07 - 04:26 PM

Due to their shortsightedness they have to get close to see you...they are more frightened of you than you of them......keep walking right through the middle of them and they get out of the way. That's country life for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST,stigweard no cookie
Date: 23 May 07 - 04:29 PM

No, it's the main footpath to the stones up to the moor, signposted from the road with nice little gates and everything and on the OS map.

They might have been curious, but how am I to know? They might have been defending their young. I know nowt about bovine behaviour (although I do love cheese).

And what were we supposed to do barge through them - it was wall-to-wall beef out there - not enough room to squeeze a jar of horseradish between them.

Got the heart racing alright. 5,000 years of fight or flight instinct sprung into action and flight (manifesting itself as sheer panic) won - convincingly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 23 May 07 - 04:41 PM

If you had run at them waving your arms and screaming, I guarantee you that they would have scattered at top speed, tails high. Of course, they would have talked about it for days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 07 - 04:47 PM

I did wave my arms and scream (I think it was something about Burger King and Rosbif), but they just carried on looking at me in that way cows have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 23 May 07 - 04:53 PM

MBS Lynne is the expert on this sort of thing!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 May 07 - 05:20 PM

Cows and bullocks on footpaths.... but were they Stigweards?

Maybe they were investigating THEIR heritage.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 23 May 07 - 05:23 PM

The running and waving thing is a fallacy. They can get even more skittish, and sometimes they'll just ignore you. Yes, they're curious. Yes, they mean no harm. But when they start skipping around they can do you a serious injury - I know enough farmers whose dogs have lost legs as a result of bovine high spirits.

Bullocks and dogs: it's a bad combination. Bullocks are only supposed to be in fields with public footpaths up to a certain age - I think a lot of farmers "forget" to move them at the appropriate time. But dogs can make them especially skittish.

We used to go walking a lot when I was married and had a couple of brushes with livestock. The last time was really scary, and we didn't even have a dog with us. But we were gradually surrounded by cattle which were tumbling over and mounting each other. My ex-husband drew them away from my daughter and me while we escaped to the next field, and he ended up having to plough through a hedge to get away from them. He was scratched and bleeding, my daughter was crying...not the best preparation for Sunday lunch in the pub.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST,Arnie at work
Date: 23 May 07 - 07:08 PM

And wasn't there something in the news just the other day about a herd of cows attacking a rambler? One of the cows actually sat on the rambler who was taken to hospital with serious injuries and was lucky to have survived the attack. I think on that occasion they were protecting calves, but it shows what they are capable of. I'm not too keen on passing through a field with horses galloping around either....


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 May 07 - 07:26 PM

The right of way applies to the cows as well. Live with it. Anyway you're a lot safer with cows than you would be with off-road motor vehicles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 23 May 07 - 07:36 PM

All I will say is that I have lived among and worked with cattle - and horses - for a good share of my life.

Maybe cattle in the UK are a different breed. *g*


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 May 07 - 08:02 PM

Consider it from their point of view. The average cow spends its entire life dreaming of catching even a glimpse of a Stigweard, not to mention a Stigweard accompanied by its mate and one of its canine chattels. They must have been absolutely fascinated. I bet they are still talking about it now.

Ramblers, on the other hand...well! Cows can't tolerate ramblers. It's a class thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Bee
Date: 23 May 07 - 09:33 PM

Cows are very curious, and once one of them takes an interest, they all have to come for a look. But really, it's usually not difficult to just walk around or between them.

Bulls, now...

Some years ago, when I was in me thirties and had not climbed a tree in some years, I set off walking up a hill/woods path. Coming back down, I was just rounding a curve when I registered a large black animal on the path ahead. I swear I was twenty feet up a big hemlock before my brain processed the shape of the thing's turning head as not ursine but bovine. I climbed down, collecting a lot of scrapes, and cautiously proceeded around the curve, to see this great big young bull practically tiptoeing down the path, every now and then looking nervously over its shoulder. By then I was laughing hysterically at myself, and the bull, but trying to keep quiet, which just made the poor fella more nervous, I'm afraid.

I got home, managed to find the bull's owner, and I'm still wondering how I managed to get up that tree - aside from not being that in practice, I am no sylph, and Hemlocks have few bottom branches.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Gurney
Date: 24 May 07 - 03:20 AM

DO NOT go near cows with calves, they can be as protective as any mother on earth.
If it has big muscular neck, don't go in the same field. It is probably a bull. Even if it hasn't got horns.

Carry a stick. Cattlebeasts know about sticks


Intimidating big bastards, though, aren't they, even when they are just being nosey. You are having a quiet fish, and then a big head appears on each side of you.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: MBSLynne
Date: 24 May 07 - 03:30 AM

I don't agree with Ruth Archer. You shouldn't run away to draw the cattle off, you should herd them. For one thing they are used to being herded. Alright, you don't have to go wild and dance around shouting and waving your arms, just walk towards them calmly, preferably with a stick in your hand calling "Go on!" or something of that nature. You can make shooing motions with your hands and/or tap one or two of them on the behinds. As soon as a couple start to move in the right direction the others will follow.

Look at it from the farmer's point of view...believe me, it's a bloody nuisance HAVING a public footpath across your land in the first place. Why on earth should a farmer not be able to use his own fields to graze his own livestock? And you have no idea of the destruction and damage often caused by the Public when walking across land on a public footpath. Cattle are part of the countryside, though rapidly diminishing. Enjoy the lovely fields with picturesque cattle in them while they are still there. If the cattle go, the fields won't be left just grass, which is much pleasanter to walk across than other crops, even with a correctly cut footpath

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 24 May 07 - 03:38 AM

Why cows in fields with footpaths? Because footpaths go across fields and cows eat fields. That's called the countryside, which exists largely to keep cows in grass. Carry a stout stick, and use it if necessary, hard.

Sounds like the Nine Ladies to me, approached from the Stanton end. Next time, go to Birchover and cross the moor from that end, you'll find the sheep less scary.

It's funny how stone circles have magic properties. A few years ago, I was walking by the Nine Ladies, and got talking to the leader of a group of youngsters. He was trying to teach them to work out routes using a Silva compass and the OS map. But he couldn't get an accurate fix on the King Stone from the circle, the compass was just wild.

After trailing him on a bit about ley lines and the energy of the ancient stones, I asked him what was in the front pocket of his anorak. A pile of change. Since the late 90s, British small change (1p and 2p) has been made of copper- plated steel....


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 07 - 03:41 AM

It's the dog apparantly - Whenever I have been through fields of cattle on my own they are completely disinterested - When with a friend with a dog they get very interested. Dunno why.

D.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 24 May 07 - 03:45 AM

Well said, Lynne. Frankly I'd be happier if panicky urbanites stayed in their towns and didn't clog up the countryside at all. There's a bank holiday looming, and my heart is already sinking at the prospect of tourists, caravans, litter, dogs, stupidity and the like. We might need the English money, but what comes with it is a bloody nuisance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 24 May 07 - 04:38 AM

Guest PMB - like your story. But I've been on Stanton Moor many times and thought I'd visit the circle. This was about 30 years ago, before neo-paganism etc took off. AND I could never find the thing where I thought it was. We always came upon it unexpectedly. Best time was with a group of kids. We gave up in the end and sat down to eat our lunch, on some dry bits. You can guess the rest.

Cows now, that's different. I'm with Stigweard. I know they're part of the country an' all but they're BIG and SOLID.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Stu
Date: 24 May 07 - 05:03 AM

"Well said, Lynne. Frankly I'd be happier if panicky urbanites stayed in their towns and didn't clog up the countryside at all."

Good on you Ginge - last thing you want is a load of proles using public footpaths - I'll stay in the town shootin' up crack and happy slapping old ladies. Anyway, off you go for a brisk ride across the gallops and back for a Pims before tiffin. What ho!

I've an idea - let's stop Captain Ginge and other countryside toffs who belive they own the place using the public footpaths in cities to get to Harvey Nicks, Burberry etc - you live in the countryside so stay out of our grotty old towns and cities (I know this'll knacker an evening at the opera, but there's always Glyndbourne).

Good guess PMB - The Nine Ladies is a very special spot (this is the first time we've ever run into the bovine mob in many visits) and the whole of the moor has a certain otherworldly atmosphere. Have you ever been to Doll Tor, a tiny and exquisite circle about a mile away near the Andle Stone? It's well hidden but worth a visit.

Interestingly enough, the lead animal was not a bullock but a cow - when I waved my arms and shouted (as previously told to do before by my friend the farmer's daughter) and her interest was piqued even more.

Next time we'll be off to Arbor Low to connect with the stigweards who were about when that was built. Only a few sheep there (the dog in the yard is chained up), although I thought one of them was looking at me funny last time we went . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 07 - 05:26 AM

I take it from your use of the phrase "English Money" you are in one of the other UK countires, Ginge? Well, when you get your independance you may close your borders until then Mr MacColl can say it far better than I -

So I'll walk where I will over mountain and hill
And I'll lie where the bracken is deep;
I belong to the mountains, the clear running fountains
Where the grey rocks rise rugged and steep.
I have seen the white hare in the gulleys
And the curlew fly high overhead,
And sooner than part from the mountains
I think I would rather be dead.


Cheers

Dave "Urbanite" Polshaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 07 - 05:33 AM

Incidentaly, those of you who know the Nine Ladies may enjoy the mystery thriller "DANCING WITH VIRGINS" by Stephen Booth - It uses the locale very well.

My stomping ground is primarily the dark peak and the Yorkshire dales but I must say, the bits of the white peak I have seen (Arbour Low, Tissington Trail, Dovedale) looks very interesting. This has resurected my interest to visit the Nine Ladies, The Roaches and Lud's Church:-)

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Stu
Date: 24 May 07 - 06:06 AM

Lud's Church and Gradbach Forest is another very 'spiritual' place and always well worth a visit. I would suggest approaching Lud's Church from Danebridge at Wincle (you can come back across the moor), where one of the best pub meals you will ever eat can be had at The Ship Inn just up the road (Giles keeps his ales in fine condition too).

The Peak District has a very special, numinous quality to it - something almost primeval and raw in nature, despite the fact some areas get very busy at times). The contrast between the gentle undulating hills, occasionally interrupted by spectacular jagged limestone reefs of the White Peak and the steep gritstone edges and crags of the Dark Peak gives the area two distinct yet similar feels, and I find the whole place deeply inspiring.

Our ancestors were busy throughout the area, and there are plenty of small sites in the uplands that are virtually unvisited - quiet places that retain some of the sacred quality the builders perhaps intended for them, often tucked away in remote fields or by the sides of quiet country lanes. It's a great place to feel in the presence of the spirits of our ancestors.The shades of stigweards who have gone before invite me to consider my presence within the landscape, my relationship with the trees, soil and stones.

Plenty of them are surrounded by bloody cows though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 07 - 06:17 AM

I have heard of the Ship Inn before. I remember wondering how the bloody hell they got a ship into one of the most inland places in the country...:-)

Agree about the Peak district. I am sure you know it was our first national park as well? One of the strangest places on this planet must be Kinder Plateau - Stuck in the middle with the clouds closing in is quite scary but negatiating your way from the top of Grindsbrook can be magical. Making sure you have your compass in hand at ALL times you pick you way round, over and sometimes through peat bogs of varying degree then, all of a sudden, you hit sand! Follow the sandy trail, through Kinder Gates, to the downfall and I can imagine how our Pictish ancestors would have felt on reaching the sanctuary of hard ground after the ardours of the plateau:-)

Must get back there again...

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 24 May 07 - 06:28 AM

Well there's a lighthouse at Crich!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: GUEST,The black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 24 May 07 - 08:04 AM

Well i've done a few thousand miles walking in Britain and there seem to be more and more aggresive cows about and they are all colours and of breeds that I've never herd of before. As farmers give up on milk production and Frezians (spelling?) they are bringing in all sorts of other breeds, very conservation worthy i'm sure, but how well do we know the temprement of some of these other animals.
Highland cattle, for example, may be gentle but I'm not going to argue with a ton of beef with a pair of two and a half foot daggers on its head and no proof of its pedigree.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 24 May 07 - 08:08 AM

aaaaa haaaaa

I'd go with a stick next time, make yourself much bigger if necessary. Lift up arm and don't have to wave stick unless to prod or push cow out of the way (don't wack em - they's not yours to wack). Certain breeds are more curious or more agressive, mothers will protect so watch out.

Yes, cattle udderstand stickology


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 May 07 - 09:00 AM

Dave P.
I absolutely love walking around Kinder when I can get there but have not been for over a year now...great little pub in Edale where we can sit outside and sup after 15miles of hiking...Bliss!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 07 - 09:05 AM

Nags Head - Start of the Pennine Way. Trouble is after sitting down for an hour after a 15 mile trek I have trouble getting up again!

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: MBSLynne
Date: 24 May 07 - 01:28 PM

The cows I work with are almost never even tapped with the stick. I only have to get it from the dairy and they trot along like good little cows. You're right...cows understand stickology. Like all animals though, they can sense when someone's heart isn't in the shouting and arm waving.

And by the way. You don't have to be a toff to get fed up with the apalling behaviour of some ignorant townies who think a good day out is wrecking the countryside.

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 24 May 07 - 02:16 PM

I never said you should wave a stick and shout - I said the opposite.

As it happens, I've lived in the country for most of my time in England, and two of my best friends are farmers. I have helped with lambing, looked after dozes of cades, and moved beasts from one field to another when required. I know how to herd sheep, and usually have no problem with cows.

It's when bullocks are involved that there's a problem. Particularly bullocks which are over the statutory age when they are legally allowed to be kept in fields containing footpaths.

I know a lot of you farmong lot don't like having footpaths through your land. Tough shit - live with it. You're legally obliged to keep the paths clear and safe for walkers, and that means ensuring you don't keep dangerous animals where they don't belong. End of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Stu
Date: 24 May 07 - 03:31 PM

"You don't have to be a toff to get fed up with the apalling behaviour of some ignorant townies who think a good day out is wrecking the countryside."

You don't have to be a townie to get fed up with the appalling behaviour of some farmers whose idea of countryside care is making access difficult for those not fortunate enough to live in the countryside.

Like many people who like to be near the land and use lawful paths, I close all the gates, take my litter home (I scooped the dog's shite when we visted the stones) and make sure my impact on the landscape is minimised - I realise farmers have to make a living and I respect their livelihood needs to be protected.

And by the way, not every townie is ignorant either - farmers who think it's OK to leave herds with bullocks, calves of different sizes and their mothers over a public footpath to an ancient monument are just as bad as any suburban oik.

You poor take courage
You rich take care
The earth was made a common treasury
For everyone to share
All things in common
All people one
We come in peace


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 24 May 07 - 06:43 PM

There's a nice stone circle you can see from Robin Hood's Stride: but it's in a field with no footpath in.

I've noticed that the cows in the field often gather and stand inside the circle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Greg B
Date: 24 May 07 - 06:49 PM

Now, go out and rent the film 'City Slickers.' I'll seem far
more amusing after your experience.

Large animals can be intimidating, and you're right to be
intimidated. I work with horses almost daily, and I don't
let even the ones I trust get me into a position with no
escape (such as between them and a stable wall).

(And I'm a former sea-lion trainer, so have an in-built
caution.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 May 07 - 03:16 AM

Why do people have such a problem with cows? I spent the early part of my life with cows (but she's moved to New Zealand since - joke!!) and never had any problem with them. I've been out walking with friends of all dispositions and intelligence quotients but all of them get silly when a cow looms up on the horizon.

Keep the dog on a short lead, try not to let him bark, stop the children from running screaming and keep a steady pace along the pathway. If they are blocking your path, be careful as you walk round them, that you don't fall over a hummock or a tussock, or slip in natural fertilizer.

And if you can't resist the urge to whack a cow, don't whack 'em on the behind... cows can kick damned hard - just ask any milking parlour attendant or vet. A shoulder pat is often enough to get them going.

Don't let them lick you. It's not dangerous, just really really nasty... they can lick their own nostrils you know!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 May 07 - 04:18 AM

I'm not allowed to say anything about cows on this site now !
G.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 May 07 - 04:21 AM

Giok - now THERE'S a surprise!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 25 May 07 - 05:20 AM

cows is cows, get on with it. Be sensible, and confident and get on with it. I too have been used to cows since the age dot.

Re the tongue thing, nothing much wrong there apart from they are raspy, but there's something lovely about the suckling calf who mouths your hand.

Most animals can be moved (farm ones) unless you ar Seamus the horrible (uncle's bull - nasty piece of work, I'm sure he was part scillian, he had an everlasting memory and was meaner than a mean thing) - note it's in the past tense.

Farmers have to get on with their work, and so what if there's bullocks in the field.

I used to do some archaeological digs in my summer hols, and always remember sitting in my trench thinking someone was watching me, and then I had the hot breath on my neck. I turned around and leaning over the rope barrier in to my trench was a line of cows who'd come to see what I was doing. I just explained to them what it was and they all had a little lecture. Nothing else happened, I worked, they watched (so what else is new).

Countryside = cows and other animals , countryside isn't all free from danger it's not all sanitised and it's the farmers land, countryside is what it says on the tin. WIth it comes animals of all sorts, they were there first. You visit sometimes.

The ramblers and countryside code say:

Wild animals and farm animals can behave unpredictably if you get too close, especially if they're with their young - so give them plenty of space.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 25 May 07 - 06:47 AM

From the Ramblers Association website:

"In the period 1990-1998 the Health & Safety Executive (HSE) reported 18 cases in which members of the public were attacked by cattle in fields. It is of the utmost concern that almost half of these incidents were fatal."

"6. Section 59 of the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981 bans the keeping of bulls in fields crossed by a right of way, except if they are:

under the age of 10 months; or
not of a recognised dairy breed, provided that they are accompanied by cows or heifers."

Keep in mind, chaps: there is legislation governing public safety in the workplace which covers farms. That means if anyone is attacked by an animal kept by a farmer with a "sod you, you're just townies" attitude, they can sue.

Stigweard, the RA also reccommends that "If you are attacked or suffer a frightening incident, report this to the landowner and the highway authority, and also the HSE and police if it is of a serious nature."

Footpaths DO NOT belong to farmers. They are part of the Queen's Highway. inconvenient as this may be, it's a fact. It's also true that if it were not for countryside tourism by unwelcome "townies", a lot of farms would've gone under by now.

Let's face it: farming as an industry hardly pays for itself - it's kept afloat by subsidies paid by the "townies" you've such contempt for. The countryside is really just a big old theme park these days, and people who are not large-scale landowners, whether they live in the town or in villages, have as much right to enjoy the benefits of their taxes as the farmers themselves do.

It's about mutual respect. If you can't see that it's important to make sure people are safe when crossing your land on public highways, don't feel too hard done by when you get sued. Or when the public stops supporting those vital subsidies that keep your business going.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 25 May 07 - 07:02 AM

So, farmers are all large-scale landowners kept afloat by subsidies? You may live in the country, but it's a bit you don't have the nous of your namesake.
Grazing is about grass management - there are reasons that heifers, bullocks or whatever are in particular fields. And if you should find a bull in a field with a public right of way, yes, you have every right to report it. Otherwise, remember that you are walking across someone else's workplace, and show a little care. If a public footpath went through a foundry you'd exercise a little caution, so do the same in the countryside. It also behoves walkers to be aware of the risks and of how they can minimise their impact. Ignorance can kill.
And I can only assume you had your tongue in your cheek with the 'theme park' remark!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 May 07 - 07:17 AM

If a public footpath went through a steelworks I doubt very much if the owner would be foolish enough sit a Bessemer converter in the middle of it. No one is disputing that the farmer has every right to earn a living, Ginger. That is a far cry from the comments you first made. Let me refresh your memory -

Frankly I'd be happier if panicky urbanites stayed in their towns and didn't clog up the countryside at all. There's a bank holiday looming, and my heart is already sinking at the prospect of tourists, caravans, litter, dogs, stupidity and the like.

Yes, ignorance can indeed kill but more often than not it just results in comments like that.

Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 May 07 - 07:50 AM

SHARE


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 25 May 07 - 07:55 AM

aye aye to John Giok! I agree


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 25 May 07 - 08:16 AM

Yes, it is taxation and subsidy that keeps the farming industry afloat and yes, I believe that one of the main reasons that this situation is allowed to continue is because farming is becoming increasingly about positive land management and less about food production. Maybe you don't like the term theme park, but this is how I see it:

Look at what happened to mining and steel as industries. Now, no one subsidised those jobs through taxation to let them carry on their traditional way of life - instead, the pits and foundries closed. But over the past 10 years or so, all these "industrial museums" have popped up where the pits and foundries used to be - and the people who used to work in them are now employed showing school parties and tourists around and explaining how things used to be when we used to have industry in this country.

Now, I don't know about you, but all these diversification grants look like doing the same thing to the countryside. You may not be able to make food production pay (unless you're in high-end organics), but the government pays you to look after the countryside, maintain the idyllic view of Pastoral Britain, encourage diverse habitats and species...and what for? I would suggest one of the main reasons is so that people can come and look at it. It's the service economy, which is built on tourism. Come to think of it, the whole small-producer, organic-growers movement is all part of the visitor experience too, isn't it? It's like when they make you go through the gift shop after the rides at Alton Towers...take home a souvenir!

Welcome to Theme Park Britain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Stu
Date: 25 May 07 - 09:13 AM

"Wild animals and farm animals can behave unpredictably if you get too close, especially if they're with their young - so give them plenty of space."

OK, read my original post - there was no way through the gate, they were stood across the bloody footpath and there was no way round (apart from the wall we ended up climbing over to escape). Bolllocks to this 'give them a tap on the arse' lark. For one thing, their arses were the other way and they were packed tight and for yet another thing I bet old Farmer Giles would be well pissed off if he sees some 'panicky townie' giving old Buttercup a twat with a big stick.

If you've been raised with cows since the year dot then good for you - just don't assume everybody has the same lack of anxiety when it comes to being confronted with a field of frisky bovines - across a public right of way.

As Ruth mentions, Section 59 of the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981 gives us rules on the keeping of bulls in fields with public rights of way - would the Countryside Alliance reps here like to point out to us ignorant townies what a bull 'not of a recognised dairy breed' might look like and contribute a bit of that knowledge for the common good?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cows on footpaths - oh bullocks!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 May 07 - 09:46 AM

Most bulls aren't that good for dairy purposes - they lack the wherewithalls as it were....

If a bull is obviously not black and white patched, dark red/brown with a white head, or looks like those big, round-eyed brown or cream ones that Disney is so fond of, then it's a pretty safe bet, to the "iggerent townie", that it is not a dairy herd bull. Usually dairy herd bulls are singletons, you only need one or two animals to service a herd, and then only at certain times of the year, so they're the only animal in the field. If they have their wives with them, they're usually perfectly docile.

A tip my uncle has used for decades is to carry a pocket full of cattle cake pellets. Most cows recognise the scent of them so when they get too frisky and close, he hurls the cake off to one side. The animals go and look for it and leave the path clear. Of course, you need to have access to cattle cake and not mind having it in your pockets all day.

I'm sorry that you had such a traumatic experience with our milky friends, I can only presume that those northern cows aren't as polite as the southern ones.

LTS


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