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Subject: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:14 PM

This is the first thread I have started, so I had to come up with a topic worthy of such an event. Right away, it came to me...Let't talk about Lisa Kelly, the 'lead singer' of Celtic Woman. Probably the most beautiful, talented woman in music, bar none. Even though, the other women in CW are quite beautiful and talented in their own right, Lisa Kelly wins in a photo finish. For more info, check out celticwoman.com.
    I'm consolidating all the threads about the individual Celtic Woman performers into this one. Pertinent comments from the other threads will be moved here, and some messages will be deleted. I will allow this thread only.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:23 PM

I, too, am a Lisa Kelly fan. She is a versatile singer, not only in the Irish tradition, but has done shows such as playing Laurie in Oklahoma. She is accomplished on a number of instruments as many of the CW women are. I think she sets a nice contrast to the other talented ladies. Her background is different so I can't really compare her to the others.

But when I first heard her, she blew me away.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:36 PM

Hey Frank, nice to hear from someone 'positive'. It's probably only a matter of time before the 'others' get here. Anyhow, check out the link above (celticwoman.com), lots of info about Lisa. Very famous and 'decorated' in Ireland, as well as (maybe on a smaller scale for now) here in Canada and the USA .


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:40 PM

Well, I guess there's no doubt that Lisa Kelly is pretty and that she has a beautiful voice, and that she's very marketable. I see from her Website that she was a vocalist for Riverdance before joining the Celtic Woman ensemble. So, she is a very good example of the marketing of so-called "Irish" music. Why should we bother making music ourselves, when we can have Playboy bunnies doing it for us?

Besides all that, I can see that she needs somebody with spelling ability to fix up her Website.

But yes, it IS enjoyable to listen to her.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:43 PM

See what I mean ?? By the way Joe, I see potential in your 'bunnies' idea. Hmmm...


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:48 PM

Don't get me wrong - I enjoyed the first PBS video and bought the first Celtic Woman CD, and I went out and bought the second DVD as soon as it came out - but I hate myself (and I hate PBS) for buying into such crass commercialism...

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:52 PM

Playboy bunny? C'mon Joe. Lisa is a talented artist, not a Hugh Hefner creation. She should be an inspiration to you so that you want to make more music for yourself.

When I hear a voice like that, I know that there's something to aspire to.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: Lets talk about MAIREAD NESBITT !!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:53 PM

A thread for those just 'itching' to talk about Celtic Woman's fiddler, the amazingly talented and equally beautiful Mairead Nesbitt. All Ireland fiddle champion, a list of accolades a mile long, and now touring the Country with Celtic Woman. Check her out at CELTICWOMAN.COM.


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Subject: Let's talk about CHLOE AGNEW !!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:57 PM

The youngest member of Celtic Woman, at only 17 years old. Performing since the age of 6, first album at 12, practically a household name in Ireland. The grace and maturity of a woman much older, and a voice you won't believe until you hear it. Check her out at CELTICWOMAN.COM.


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Subject: Let's talk about MEAV NI MHAOLCHATH !!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:01 PM

Meav, probably the best pure soprano on earth. Now a member of Celtic Woman, and spreading her talent and beauty around the world. If you heard her, you might think you died and were listening to an Angel in Heaven. Check her out at CELTICWOMAN.COM.


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Subject: RE: Lets talk about MAIREAD NESBITT !!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:03 PM

I guess you don't get it, AWG. Mudcat is a website mostly for people who make music. We're fans, too, but in moderation.

You could talk about all the Celtic Woman performers in the ongoing Celtic Woman thread, and that would be fine. To start a thread about one favorite performer like Lisa Kelly would be a bit overboard, but would be reasonably acceptable. Trouble is, some wag would get really obnoxious and make fun of you by starting separate threads in rapid succession for each and every performer in the group.


But you beat them to the punch.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Let's talk about ORLA FALLON !!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:05 PM

Singer and harpist from Celtic Woman, Orla has one of the most beautiful and 'haunting' voices you will ever hear. Hard to describe how popular she is in Ireland, let's just say 'a household name' comes close. Check her out at CELTICWOMAN.COM.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about ORLA FALLON !!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:07 PM

Reminds me a little of Mary O'Hara but she is definitely her own person.

Great.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about ORLA FALLON !!
From: Amos
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:08 PM

AWG, are you a shill for Celtic Woman dot com?


A


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Subject: Let's talk about HAYLEY WESTENRA !!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:09 PM

The newest member of Celtic Woman, what can I say about Hayley ? Let's see, the voice, the voice, the voice, and oh yeah, did I mention beautiful. Holds world records in music, performed for The Queen of England, President Bush, among others. Just a pure, class act. Check her out at CELTIC WOMAN.COM.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:12 PM

Hey, with the right makeup artist and a good corset, I could look that good. Of course, with the corset, I couldn't sing....

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:15 PM

** see AWG cringing at the thought **


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Subject: RE: Lets talk about MAIREAD NESBITT !!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:17 PM

It seems to me that Mairead plays more like the Donegal players, not many rolls but a lot of "treble" bowing. (I think she is from somewhere around Tipperary). She inspired me enough to write out the music for Contradiction Reel, the way she plays it. It lilts but is unadorned compared to some Irish fiddling I've heard. But it's fiery. Her playing is highly musical and clean with an excellent sense of dynamics. She is like the fifth voice in CW and serves that function on some arrangements.

Apparently she is a versatile player and has studied music and fiddling in Hungary.

David Downes accompanies her beautifully with the right chord changes and feeling.
Compare that to what Micheal Coleman had to contend with in his earlier recordings. His piano player must of had too many.

I think it's valuable to discuss attributes of favorite performers.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:20 PM

Hey, Mom always told me I was quite good-looking.

-Oedipus-


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about HAYLEY WESTENRA !!
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:27 PM

Let's talk about HAYLEY WESTENRA !! - Why?

Sooner be at a sesh & injoy meself - so should you!


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about HAYLEY WESTENRA !!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:33 PM

Cheer up Mr. Happy. Hayley is worth writing about. She's the newcomer in CW from New Zealand and she has a lovely voice.


Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about MEAV NI MHAOLCHATH !!
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:57 PM

'Meav, probably the best pure soprano on earth'

How do you qualify this statement?


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMEN !!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:02 PM

I'm consolidating all the threads about the individual Celtic Woman performers into this one. Pertinent comments from the other thread will be move here, and some messages will be deleted. I will allow this thread only.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Chris Green
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:03 PM

Hooray! It's Lizzie O'Cornish!


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:12 PM

Thank you Joe.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:21 PM

so we can see what we are [or may be allowed to continue to carry on] talking about, see here:

http://www.celticwoman.com/index.asp


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgPF0RnB6s


ok so now I've 'eard 'em.

There's less likelihood of 'em forgettin' their words if they just sing a line each - great idea - just need another 3 x Mr Happies!


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:06 PM

Just thinking to myself, before I came along most likely hardly anyone in this forum talked about Celtic Woman, or even knew who they were. But NOW... it seems they get a lot of attention (hopefully mostly positive LOL) Except maybe Joe, probably wishes he never heard of them :)


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:14 PM

LOL

I'm glad I checked this thread(s) as well.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:18 PM

all about rising sap!


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: GUEST,AWG
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:21 PM

???


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 03:51 AM

The thing I notice about AWG's posts in particular, and it's true of some of the other posts here, is this.
There seems to be as much enthusiasm over the physical appearance of these ladies, as there is about their musical abilities.
I am sad to see the same criteria being applied to folk music, as that which rules pop music. I bet there are some really wonderful singers and musicians, who are physically unattractive, and possibly overweight too. I just don't see many of them on my TV screen.
The cliché about the opera not being over till the fat lady sings, doesn't seem to have crossed over into other musical fields.
Let's have less emphasis on looks and more on talent please.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:26 AM

Agree 100% Giok.

IMHO this is just a glamour package and not really about the music itself. That video did not make me want to go out and buy a CD or DVD - there are too many GOOD folk artistes that I would choose over this group. However, if they give people a starting interest in folk music they could be useful.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: MMario
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:51 AM

I *think* this was the group my sister was watching on 'Martha' the other day. Nice production number - but so many backing tracks that very little of the ladies actual performance got through.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 11:56 AM

Hello Giok, how are you? Actually, if you look closely, I always said 'talented and beautiful' (talented came first), but I agree that more emphasis is put on looks these days. I'm not in that camp, however. I mean, who cares when you are listening to a CD? But when 2 people are equally talented, most will gravitate to the more attrative of the 2. So the producers got the real 1-2 punch going for them. People will buy the CD for the musical talent, and the DVD for the musical talent AND the look (of both the ladies and the production itself). I mean, they are trying to sell tickets and DVD's, right? That's show business, like it or not.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:22 PM

It's been over an hour and nobody's talking about Celtic Woman !!! What's going on here ??


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:32 PM

Come back Lizzie - all is forgiven!


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:54 PM

We pride ourself in our ability to make up our own minds on Mudcat, without brainwashing from either a commercial organisation, or a besotted fan.
G.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:56 PM

Wow, you guys can make up your own minds ?? What is your secret ?


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:58 PM

I toss a coin. Head = yes, tails = no. Nothin' to it!


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:23 PM

Awesome, very scientific ! What happens if the coin lands on it's side. ???


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:33 PM

Or never lands??


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:38 PM

It often doesn't land. Then I choose left or right. If I choose left, then the next car that passes by has to have an odd number of people in it. If I choose right, then the next car has to have an even number of people in it. If it is a date that is a prime number, I add the first number of the license plate to the number of occupants of the car. If it's an even numberd day, I subtract 1 from the number of occupants in the car. On days evenly divisible by 3, I add 1 if the car colour is in the first half of the spectrum. Simple, once you get the hang of it.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: AWG
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:41 PM

How do you choose between left and right ?


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:45 AM

My shadow. If it's to the left or in front of me when I have to make the decision, I choose right. And the converse. Easy.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: AWG
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 03:04 AM

Sweet ! But what does any of this have to do with Celtic Woman ??


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 06:19 AM

Nothing really - but it's a lot more entertaining IMHO :)


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 08:14 PM

It's too easy to insist that glamorous women have no talent. It's a kind of chauvinsim that goes along with the "dumb blonde" jokes.

These are talented women who have worked very hard to get where they are. You might not like them, that's cool, but to denegrate them just because they happen to be glamorous is the height of folk snobbery.

Sure, there are plenty of fine, talented people who don't present themselves in a glam fashion and they are worthy of attention. But grow up folks. Folk music has become a form of show business whether you want to admit it or not. Sometimes, the uglier you look, the better minimal audience you attract. Folk is low-key show biz.

And what's more, its always been that way. Traditional folksingers are packaged today and sold at folk festivals by entrepeneurs who make a little cash doing it. The summer camp folk workshop is a business like any other. There is nothing wrong with talented folksingers making a little money by performing for their specific audience. But to trash those who want to make a little more money but still do good musical work by glamming up a bit, seems pretentious and hypocritical.

Look at Joan Baez. If she didn't have long black hair and a pretty face, do you think she would have had the following she had? I think she's great and it didn't bother me that many young ladies wanted to imitate her. But that's show biz too.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: AWG
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 09:38 PM

You know, Ive been following this thread from the beginning, and one thing really bugs me. To quote Frank Hamilton....' These are talented women who have worked very hard to get where they are. You might not like them, that's cool, but to denegrate them just because they happen to be glamorous is the height of folk snobbery', I agree with Frank, however I truly believe CW is getting by on talent, simple as that. I mean, I love them, and they are beautiful IMO, but it's not like going to see Christina Aguileara (sp.?), or Jessica Simpson, or Nelly Furtado(you get the point). CW women are pretty, but that's it, theyre not wannabe strippers. They have talent, and that's what people pay to see (along with a nice stage show). Let's start giving credit where credit is due.


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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!!
From: Muttley
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 10:44 PM

Just a small comment: After first avoiding this thread like poison, I got curious enough to read through it.

From the comments of AWG (Guest) I would almost conclude that AWG is a little 'obsessive' about the group and, particualarly Lisa Kelly.

Admittedly Lisa IS a very attractive woman - in fact I'd go so far as to say Orla is probably the plainest of the ladies shown (no photo yet of Hayley) - I would be a little more careful of labelling her as highly as does AWG. In fact the youngest girl (?Chloe) and the fiddler, Mairead are both exceptionally beautiful women.

Besides which, beauty means NOTHING when applied to talent - but then again, maybe they do: Bob Dylan is no picture and he can't sing either; but he does play a great guitar!!!
I hadn't heard of CW before this, but being a lover of Celtic Music - I might just chase up a CD and have a listen. If beauty and talent DO go together then collectively they will be fantastic.

And Joe: PLEASE don't go out in public with that corset on: Mother's are, by nature and necessity, biased about their offspring's looks - besides if you wear it too tight, you might just rupture your implants!

Muttley


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