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BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision

Liz the Squeak 17 May 07 - 04:22 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 May 07 - 04:22 AM

Wogan isn't that light.. have you seen him recently? He's no longer the sleek, lithe, racing snake that he once was... or maybe he's a racing snake that's just eaten an entire goat.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 07 - 04:20 AM

Guest, Paddy says Ireland fought for its independence and Wogan shit on that for a nighthood.

Is the constitution of the Republic really that shaky that it can be upset by a light entertainer accepting a meaningless title from a monarch that you no longer have anything to do with?

Or do have you spelt 'nighthood' that way on purpose? Meaning perhaps that Wogan is a sleeper for the IRA cell used to infiltrate the Royals and 'shit on' is his wake up phrase?

Wow! I knew that the Eurovision was the signal for the start of a revolution in Portugal but I didn't know it still had such deep and hidden significance...

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 17 May 07 - 03:49 AM

Wasn't Wogan born before 1849?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 May 07 - 03:18 PM

Flag: v.i. Hang down, flap loosly; droop, fade, become limp; lag, lose vigour, grow languid; become uninteresting. (Concise Oxford Dictionary.)

Yes, all sounds very much in keeping with that song.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,NORAH MARTINDALE
Date: 16 May 07 - 12:00 PM

COME ON SCHOOCH BRING THE FLAG BACK HOME


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,Paddy
Date: 15 May 07 - 05:44 PM

Ireland fought for its independence and Wogan shit on that for a nighthood.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,Partridge
Date: 15 May 07 - 02:21 PM

Sanity......whats that?

Pat x


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 15 May 07 - 06:27 AM

The great Wogan has dual nationality because he was born before 1949. He was therefore able to accept a 'proper' knighthood when it was offered whereas Bob Geldof, born after 1949, has an honorary one. 1949 was the year when Ireland left the Commonwealth and became a Republic. Wogan was born a British citizen and apparently has the right to retain this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Ythanside
Date: 15 May 07 - 06:15 AM

Hi Liz. 'Polari'? Didn't the beatniks do away with them by dressing up in those funny duffle coats and yomping around the country? And, I may be wrong here but, didn't they also sing 'polari, oh oh, cantari ho ho ho ho' and go on about some horsey type called Nell Blue de Pinto de Blue? Or am I confusing that with an Italian ESC entry?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 May 07 - 04:41 AM

Pat - I wonder for your sanity.... They also made a crack about the Mike Moran/Lyndsey de Paul song 'Rock Bottom' declaring it 'was shite'... (No, I don't remember it, I read the programme synopsis on Wikipediment).

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,Partridge
Date: 15 May 07 - 02:01 AM

They did a eurovision song in that series Liz, it was called "piff paff poff"

The catch phrase was "oh dearie me"
I have the series on DVD.........

Pat xx


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 May 07 - 06:23 PM

Anyone else remember a dire UK sitcom called 'The High Life'? The pilot aired in 1994 and 6 episodes finally escaped in early 1995. It's set on an aeroplane, focuses on the lives of 4 staff members, one of whom is Alan Cumming. I remember it as being as camp as a row of pink tents and whenever I see/hear the Scooch thing, I can't help but think of that programme... the fact it only survived 6 episodes has to be a bit of a giveaway as to how it was recieved - from what I remember, the dialogue was the only good thing about it, but you had to have some understanding of polari and a certain amount of verbal dexterity to get the jokes. The theme song was perhaps the best remembered thing about the programme - with a dance routine that looks not a great deal unlike that of Scooch and his fellow stewards...

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 May 07 - 12:42 PM

It's just occurred to me why that Scooch song presentatiion looked familiar, with the uniforms and the flags. It looked like an out-take from a Briticised version of "Springtime with Hitler".


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Trevor Thomas
Date: 14 May 07 - 12:30 PM

What I think is:- the reason Wogan refers to the UK entry as 'us' because he's being paid to do the commentary by the British Broadcasting Corporation. Britain is 'us' as far as the BBC is concerned, and that's who he's representing.

I didn't see the ESC, but I've seen the Scooch thing. Woefully embarrassing, I thought it was. They ended the song by displaying a couple of Union Flags - I can't believe that anyone would think that triumphantly displaying your own country's flag is a good way to get people from other countries to vote for you, but there you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 May 07 - 12:11 PM

Looked like Bud Abbott, but she could sing all right. And she seems to have the right idea of what this contest ought to be about: "'I listen to music - I don't want to watch it, I want to listen to it."

I found that in a story headlined "The worst show in living memory" by a bloke who has written what sounds like a dreadful book about the song contest called Nul Points. (Since he opens by saying "I actually thought Flying the Flag by Scooch was a fine song in the true tradition of Eurovision" you can tell it must be a pretty dreadful book. And he clearly hates the idea that songs as such should have any significance in the event. So he says:

"What depressed me about it was encapsulated quite neatly by the Serbian girl who won. When she said, 'I listen to music - I don't want to watch it, I want to listen to it,' then I thought she'd completely missed the entire point of the Eurovision Song Contest."


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 14 May 07 - 10:54 AM

the whole prog was hilarious,wogan was great referring to one of the lady singers as a bud abbott lookalike.The songs were even shittier than last time.Brilliant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,Paddy
Date: 14 May 07 - 07:53 AM

Don, there is no English government!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 May 07 - 07:26 PM

I think the votes for the UK entry from the Irish viewers might actually not have been that friendly. The only reason I can imagine voting for it would have been as an act ridicule.

"Malta was not, and is not a British possession" It was a British Crown Colony from 1814 until it became independent in 1964, and a republic in 1974. (And of course several of Cyril Tawney' songs are set in Malta.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 May 07 - 07:10 PM

"Interessting that our only votes came from Ireland (our neighbour) and Malta which we used to occupy and probably own (Not very clear on the politics here!)"

Strangely Lynne, the voting by Ireland is probably political. If you look back, it has been almost a tradition for the UK to give points to Irish entries, but for no points to be awarded by the Irish to UK entries. The change of mood in Northern Ireland has altered the position vis-a-vis Anglo/Eire relationships.

Malta was not, and is not a British possession, but was of such strategic importance during WWII that britain pulled out all the stops to defend it from invasion.

Initially the RAF force on the island was three obsolete biplanes (Gloster Gladiators i believe), call signed faith, hope, and charity.

These held off the Italian airforce attacks until a squadron or two of Spitfires could fly in.

Malta took a hell of a pounding from enemy bombers which resulted in the whole island being awarded the George Cross, but still seem to be Anglophiles.

Paddy, I think that Terry has lived and worked so long in England that he regards it as home. He may even have accepted naturalisation when it was offered some years back. Certainly the English government who added his name to the honours list, resulting in his knighthood, seem to accept him as "one of ours" .

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,Paddy
Date: 13 May 07 - 05:05 PM

And why did Terry Wogan, an Irishman, keep referring to the UK as 'us'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: guitar
Date: 13 May 07 - 04:20 PM

Scooch should of being NIL POINTS, because they were shit, and I'm from Britian sorry to say, with that shit representing Britian. Thank God Serbia won.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,blindlemonsteve
Date: 13 May 07 - 04:16 PM

Yeh, fair play, Katrina was American, but in her own words, the music scene was far more cutting edge in Britain than it was in America, so she defected during the Reagan administration, i believe she escaped in a hot air baloon.

And really, does anyone here truly believe that if Britain took the Eurovision seriously, anyone else would stand a chance????. the best thing about the eurovision is listening to Terry Wogan, anyone remember when he got barred from the host country, he started emulating theyre rhyming commentary with cockney rhyming slang, it was hilarious.
Britain maybe shit at most things, but great inspirational music isnt one of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Metchosin
Date: 13 May 07 - 11:46 AM

I knew there was some reason that when it comes to current pop music I'd rather go with Alternative Indie instead. Top of my list is Wolf Parade Then again, I've rarely been a fan of mainstream anything.

Watching crap like Scooch and then Wolf Parade is sort of like the difference between seeing the Poppy Family and then the Stones in years gone by.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: MBSLynne
Date: 13 May 07 - 11:20 AM

Interessting that our only votes came from Ireland (our neighbour) and Malta which we used to occupy and probably own (Not very clear on the politics here!)

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Metchosin
Date: 13 May 07 - 11:18 AM

Didn't Celine Dionne do that winning song about 15 years ago? LOL Does this mean that now there's another one, Canada can be 50% less embarrassed?

The Bulgarian one at least had promise and power.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 May 07 - 10:40 AM

Most of the songs were total crap - the winner this year was an exception; the thing is, the UK isn't the only country that clearly believes in putting forward absolute rubbish, it's just been doing it pretty consistently for longer than most countries, so it even lacks the over-the-top enthusiasm that the Eastern European countries bring to it.

The vote-for-your-neighbours thing is interesting - in the context of the former Yugoslavia it is quite impressive, given recent history in that part of the world. It doesn't always work that way between neighbouring countries with a history of conflict. Not many Polish votes for Germany, for example.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: MBSLynne
Date: 13 May 07 - 10:26 AM

I agree, the winner was actually a pretty good song and the singer would be worth listening to if you took away all the ESC rubbish.

I also agree, Terry Wogan's commentary is worth watching the whole lot of rubbish for. Cynicism is far too small a word!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,Paddy
Date: 13 May 07 - 10:17 AM

Pendennis in the Observer said it was England's entry. I wish!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 07 - 09:03 AM

'Everyone knows that if Britain wanted to win it, they could every year, we would just get Noel Gallagher, Sting, Elvis Costello, Morrisey, George Micheal, Gary Barlow, Elton John, Eric Clapton etc etc the list is endless etc, to do it for us. i think its best that we allow other countries to be in the running, otherwise it would just be the anglo irish song contest. which would be much better musically, but no where near as naff and laugahble as our european counterparts attempts at credible pop music,,, to prove my theory, the last time Britain put a credible artist in, we won by the highest margin ever.... "Love Shine a Light" Katrina and The Waves.... '

how about that catchy little one about the white hare bang-a-bang?
Couldn't we have entered that one?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Morticia
Date: 13 May 07 - 08:55 AM

First time I've watched it since Abba won and it didn't fail me, I haven't laughed so hard in years. From the sea of fake tan and spangles, to the consisent and complete lack of musical ability to the genius of Sir Terry's commentary... not to mention the sheer comic poetry of the voting, I was enchanted.

And as Pixie of Doom said to me via text last night, where did they come up with Eurovision Barbie? I shall be front and centre next year with my bottle of Baileys and possibly an Irish flag, best kept entertainment secret ever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Hawker
Date: 13 May 07 - 08:55 AM

Well the thread started 'BS Scoot will be A UK winner of.....'
BS indeed!
And what the hell was Irelands entry? It was billed as traditional but was disappointigly awful.
This is no longer a representation of music, but like has already been said, a freak show and political pals appreciation society. The winners were the ones not taking part!
The best bit of the show is Terry Wogans satirical comments, which for me make it worth watching!
Cheers, Lucy


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 13 May 07 - 08:46 AM

Wasn't Katrina American?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 May 07 - 08:29 AM

These impertinent foreigners who insist on singing in their own languages - apart from the ones with the cheek to try singing in English...


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,Blindlemonsteve
Date: 13 May 07 - 07:56 AM

Everyone knows that if Britain wanted to win it, they could every year, we would just get Noel Gallagher, Sting, Elvis Costello, Morrisey, George Micheal, Gary Barlow, Elton John, Eric Clapton etc etc the list is endless etc, to do it for us. i think its best that we allow other countries to be in the running, otherwise it would just be the anglo irish song contest. which would be much better musically, but no where near as naff and laugahble as our european counterparts attempts at credible pop music,,, to prove my theory, the last time Britain put a credible artist in, we won by the highest margin ever.... "Love Shine a Light" Katrina and The Waves....


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 13 May 07 - 07:26 AM

Any chance of getting Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson back? Ronnie Carroll? Being dead need not disqualify, in fact, may be an advantage.

Personally, I think we should let Roy Harper have a go next year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 May 07 - 07:10 AM

LOL wld!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 May 07 - 05:38 AM

The winner was actually a pretty good song, in its style, by a very good singer. Give it a listen, preferably a version without the Eurovision night razzamatazz - Here (And here are the lyrics, in Serbian, English and French.)

The UK entry got 19 votes. That was 19 votes too many.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 07 - 04:47 AM

'The ESC once again did not fail me.'

The English Shakespeare Company....?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: MBSLynne
Date: 13 May 07 - 04:42 AM

Well we watched it with awe and horror again. It seems more of a contest to find out who can be the freakiest and most unsettling; nothing to do with good songs, good singing or presentation. Mind you...I DID like last years' winners and they would have taken some living up to.

Not at all surprised that UK got nearly no points...our contribution was dreadful.

BTW...despite the low quality, shouldn't this be in the music section? It is a song competition after all

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 13 May 07 - 03:50 AM

Missed it. Well, I say I missed it, I missed it like you'd miss a hole in the guts (holes in the head are useful for putting food in and getting earwax out of)... thank the deities for digital TV and the invention of the video recorder.

Can't say as I'm surprised... the voting has been more political than a Donuel/Divis Sweeney thread since we allowed any country west of Luxembourg to play.

Oh, and we had Chinese food delivered.. yum!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 May 07 - 03:10 AM

God, it was a good 'un! The ESC once again did not fail me. The quality of the performers/songs was of an order so low that none would pass the audition for a floorspot at the average folk-club. However the comedy factor of the voting saved the day, Mrs. Fenswoman and I rolled around our sofa with tears of laughter streaming down our faces, sides splitting with mirth, at the hysterically-funny 'political' voting. I think the voting part of the show was so strong comedically that, in future, they should just do away with the time-wasting and, frankly, embarrassing 'songs' part, and just let each country vote for its mates (which is what they do now), and rename the show The European 'Who's Johnny No-Mates?' Contest. We would win that one hands-down every year.
BW


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Gray D
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:11 PM

"Voting bears"?

How do they manage to hold the little stubby pencils to make their cross in the box?

Puzzled Gray D


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: folk1e
Date: 12 May 07 - 08:53 PM

I had thaught we (UK) stood a good chance. On the night we were bad..... but not as bad as the scores indicate!
What was obvious is that the voting bears little resemblance to the song and that Wogan doesn't want to do the show any more, but will as long as he is paid the kind of money he is for it!
All in all an embarasing episode for all!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 May 07 - 02:02 PM

Naah. It'll be a hoot, like it always is.

And there's some good stuff in there among the rubbish. The winner should be the Bulgarian entry - but it won't be. I was rather surprised to see it made it through the semi-final.

Pity the UK entry didn't have to enter the semi-final, because it would never have made it through, and whatever replaced it, however dire, could hardly fail to be an improvement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 12 May 07 - 10:12 AM

Looks like we're heading for an evening of DVDs, channel FiveUS and a pizza... or even (shock horror) going out to the pictures!!

I think it's disgusting that this crap has to be on instead of Doctor Who... I shall write to the Times about this!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:56 AM

If the UK entry doesn't get nul points it will be a terrible injustice.   And it will indicate that an awful lot of people must really detest the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: GUEST,euro pop fan
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:02 AM

is "Scooch" another word

for unsavoury sexual practices


involving the 'back passage' ?


certainly sounds like ot should be !


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 May 07 - 04:31 AM

And this thread is in the correct place, under the line, BS definately non music.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 May 07 - 04:30 AM

The whole idea is to enter the worst shite song you can find so you won't win and have to go to the expense and bother of being next years host. England has discovered this fact, Ireland hasn't.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Scooch Will be a UK Winner at Eurovision
From: bubblyrat
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 07:31 AM

It"s about what you"d expect from a third-rate country that houses its armed forces in broken-down barracks & shabby married-quarters with no heating or hot water, whilst actively trying to PREVENT the cleverest children in its schools from going to university !! Thirty years ago, "Scooch" would have been pelted with eggs and booed off the stage, but alas !! --the rot has well and truly set in !! Bring back songs like " Diggy Loo, Diggy Lay " , that"s what I say !!


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