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Thread #7501   Message #655276
Posted By: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
22-Feb-02 - 09:26 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: Arthur McBride
Subject: RE: Arthur McBride
Just to attempt accuracy & such, my earlier posting was from memory and a bit inaccurate: the thread Martin Ryan proposes as having best information, doesn't have this information, so it may be of interest. # 428 in P. W. Joyce's (1827-1914) 'Old Irish Folk Music and Song' published 1909 (his earlier book was published in 1875) is 'Arthur MacBride'. Lyrics just about identical to versions sung today, including Paul Brady's, (who did of course make some nice alterations here and there.) Joyce says: 'Learned in boyhood - air & words - from hearing the people all round me sing it. The words have never been published: but I have a dim recollection of seeing them in early days printed on a ballad-sheet. There is a setting of the air (different from mine) in Stanford-Petrie, and marked there (by Petrie) as from Donegal. Coupling this record with the phraseology, I am disposed to think that the whole song belongs to Donegal. But how it made its way to Limerick is more than I can tell.' (Limerick being Joyce's home, and where he heard the song sung all around) Tomás ó Canainn, in his 'Traditional Music of Ireland' claims 'It is worth remembering that Joyce was much nearer to the living tradition than any of the collectors mentioned above (Petrie, Stanford, Bunting, Hoffmann, etc.) with the possible exception of O'Farrell, and this is evident in his selection of tunes and in his notes to them. Many of them are from his own memory of his childhood in Glenosheen and bear the imprint of the real Irish tradition.' My question about Brady collecting this song in Maine? True? Has HE said So? or was it because somebody found the song in a book published in Maine? Don't think that was clarified anywhere. I think Joyce puts paid to the idea that this was in anyway East Anglian, it's Donegal. As to an author, I can't say, some broadsheet may turn up somewhere, but I haven't heard of it.