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Posted By: GUEST,Pseudonymous
12-Jul-18 - 11:11 AM
Thread Name: New Book: Folk Song in England
Subject: RE: New Book: Folk Song in England
Jack: I feel 'in my bones' that it may not be wholly right to say that 'the churches' 'viciously resisted' the temperance movement, even if the 'viciously' was omitted. Especially not when coupled with the statement that the early movement was 'entirely within secular social radicalism'.

I post as someone whose direct ancestor wrote at the end of the 19th century a lot of anti-alcohol tracts now in the British Library (not songs as far as I know), and his father was a 'chartist' to the extent of signing up to the land allotment thing they had going (but his number never seems to have come up and he didn't get his bit of land). So I sat up and paid attention when I read your post.

So the Seven Men of Preston are said to be the founders of the teetotal movement in the 1830s. I am thinking that at least some of these were in part motivated by religious considerations, even if not operating within the chuch. But if motivated by religious beliefs, then maybe not secular in the sense of 'unconnected with religious beliefs'.

So, though this is massive 'thread drift', interested in your reasoning here. Happy to accept that the long teetotal song you know of was unsingable.