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Posted By: Richie
27-Dec-16 - 06:40 PM
Thread Name: Origins: Died for Love: Sources and variants
Subject: RE: Origins: Died for Love: Sources and variants
Hi,

Thanks Georgiansilver for the text and the link.

Steve, I'll start using Roud numbers I get confused because even though they are improved- I'm not sure if they are right for certain versions. I was looking at Beam of Oak- as an example.

I'll look at the book, Narrative Folksong. Please send me more broadsides if you have them and the Greig-Duncan versions.

I'm starting to get the branches sorted out. This is what I have so far:

A. Died for Love
   a. "The Effects of Love- A New Song," (broadside) London c. 1780:

B. The Cruel Father (sent to sea- dies of a cannonball)
   a. "The Cruel Father or Deceived Maid," from the Madden Collection, c.1790.
   b. "Answer to Rambling Boy" from a chapbook by J & M Robertson, Saltmarket, Glasgow; 1799.
   c. "The Squire's Daughter," printed by W. Shelmerdine and Co., Manchester c. 1800
   d. "Sweet William," as written down about July 1, 1915, by Miss Mae Smith of Sugar Grove, Watauga county, from the singing of her stepmother, Mrs. Mary Smith, who learned it over forty years ago. submitted by Thomas Smith, Brown Collection, c.1875.
   e. "Rambling Boy" Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads, John Lomax 1916 edition.
   f. "The Wrecked and Rambling Boy" from Mrs. Audrey Hellums, Tishomingo, Mississippi. Hudson C, 1926
   g. "Oh Willie" from Mary Lou Bell of Staunton Virginia; 1932
   h. "The Isle of Cloy" collected by E.J. Moeran in the 1930s in Suffolk from George Hill and Oliver Waspe.
   i. "Black Birds.' Miss Lura Wagoner of Vox, Allegheny Couny, NC, 1938
   j. "Oh Willie" sung by Rod Drake of Silsbee Texas; See Owens, 1952.
   k. "Rude and Rambling Boy," Buna Hicks Sugar Grove, NC , 1966.

C. Brisk Young Sailor
   a. "The Lady's Lamentation for the Loss of her Sweetheart," from the Manchester Central library; c.1775. It is mixed with Oxfordshire Tragedy c. 1686 (after stanza 4) and called a sequel to Oxfordhire by Ebsworth.
   b. "A New Song Call'd the Distress'd Maid," London, (no imprint) in the Madden Collection Cambridge University Library (Slip Songs H-N no. 1337) c.1785.
   c. "Rambling Boy," from a chapbook by J. & M. Robertson, Saltmarket, Glasgow; 1799.
   d. "Brisk Young Sailor," broadside by W. Pratt, Printer, 82, Digbeth, Birmingham; c.1850
   e. "Died For Love" (A bold young farmer) Isla Cameron

D. Sheffield Park (In Sheffield Park there did live and dwell)
a. "The Young Man of Sheffield Park." Printed and sold by J. Jennings, No. 15, Water lane, Fleet street London; c. 1790.
b. "The Young Man of Sheffield Park" printed by Evans of 42 Long Lane, London, c1794.
c. "Sheffield Park" Pitts, Printer, wholesale Toy and Marble warehouse 6, Gt. St. Andrew Street, Seven Dials; London, c. 1820.
d. "The Unfortunate Maid of Sheffield," Holroyd's Collection of Yorkshire Ballads by Abraham Holroyd, 1892.
e. "In Yorkshire Park" sung by Robert Barratt at Puddletown, 1905.
f. "In Sheffield Park" Miss E. King of Castle Eaton, Wiltshire; collected Alfred Williams, 1916.
g. "In Sheffield Park," sung by Enos White with his wife- collected by Bob Copper in Axford, Hampshire about 1954.
h. "Sheffield Park," sung by Frank Hinchliffe, recorded by Mike Yates and Ruairidh Greig in 1976.

E. Butcher Boy ("In Jersey city where I did dwell")
   a. "The Butcher Boy." broadside [Philadelphia] : J.H. Johnson, song publisher, 7 N. Tenth St., Philadelphia., c. 1860
   b. "The Butcher Boy," broadside from H. De Marsan (New York), 1861-1864 Bodleian, Harding B 18(72) c. 1860
   c. "The Butcher Boy of Baltimore," words and music by Harry Tofflin. "Wm. J. Schmidt, 2507 W. North Ave. NY c. 1865
   d. "The Butcher Boy." Broadside by Henry J. Wehman, Song Publisher, No. 50 Chatham Street, New York City; c.1890.

I haven't put many of the traditional versions on- plus several broadsides that don't fit A-E,

Richie