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Thread #152067   Message #3561143
Posted By: Jim Carroll
25-Sep-13 - 08:17 AM
Thread Name: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
1: "only thing is Jom, being impartial as you are, that you have never actually ever said that or specifically taken them to task over it."
Have made it clear from the start that both Russia and China's role is reprehensible but I don't accept it as an excuse for Britain's involvement - why should I support them now - they are one of the 'Great and the Good' since they shook off the bonds of Communism - they are arms dealers, just like Britain.

2: " No argument that Britain has licenced the export of chemicals that could possibly have been used for the production of Sarin gas. "
Nuff sed

But "could possibly have been" does not = were, or even probably were.
Can you produce figures to show the amounts of chemicals sold to Syria over the last six years no?
Though that was the case.

2There is also no argument, due to the existence of documented records that show, that no such chemicals have been exported from Britain to Syria since March 2010.2
So what do these chemicals come with a "use by" date, don't the Syriand have enormous stockpiles going back years

3: "Agreed now let us hear you castigate the Russians and the Chinese for doing precisely that - but I will not hold my breath.
Have made it clear from the start that both Russia and China's role is reprehensible but I don't accept it as an excuse for Britain's involvement - why should I support them now - they are one of the 'Great and the Good' since they shook off the bonds of Communism - thy are arms dealers, just like Britain.

4: " so tell us who is preventing such sanctions being implemented by the Security Council of the United Nations? "
So what we have been reliably informed that Britain's trade is valued and would be a possible lever in ending the killing we have ignored this in order that our trade might not be interrupted even if it does not stop Assad it still leaves us with his shit on our hands as a trading partner.

5: " Care to name me one single country in the world that does not take that stance?"
Doesn't matter I'm a Brit and am answerable only to what is done in the name of Britain.

6: "WE are NOT trading with these monsters "
We have, and the Government have made clear that we will continue to do so, after all, we continue to try to sell arms to Bahrain, or have I got that wrong?

7: I have never referred to any sale of sniper rifles by Britain to Syria - quite simply because there never has been any sale of sniper rifles to Syria by Britain
Keith did you went along with it as "sniper rifle ammunition" and followed it with all the convolutions as I described, then finally slunk away, leaving Keith to further nausea up the mess you'd both created.
The rest of your comments on this are unqualified pseudo-military bullshit that can be heard in any 'Dad's Army' bar around closing time the licence was issued if it was not fulfilled prove it Keith is still insisting that he thought you were talking about Libya.

8: "Finian Cunningham saying so does not make it a fact"
Certainly does not, however, Assad is a war criminal and Britain licensed ammunition (as you pointed out, possibly "sniper rifle bullets") to a customer in Syria decades after they were identified as human rights monsters.
The press was full of the uses Bahrain put to the riot control gear sold to them by Britain, so much so that the Government was forced to withdraw thirteen licences for similar Britain then went on to attempt to sell that same happy State yet more weapons at an Arms Fair held a month into the Arab Spring disputes.
You seem to have missed the bit that Keith ignored about selling arms to Sri Lanka.
Or don't any of these people fall within your definition of "war criminals and human rights abusers".

8: "Sold Gas? Calor or Propane? How much?"
Another bit you conveniently missed riot control gear? Water cannon? 'unarmed' armoured cars all acknowledged by Keith, who proposed that it was OK to continue supplying them after people were being shot down in the streets of Homs.

"Keith A has done a more than adequate job in ripping you to shreds in this and on other threads."
Yeah -I can see that - he has done more U-turns and wheelies than the boy-racers do here on a Sunday afternoon after the pubs close.
At least hs fanaticism has some consistency - you piss off every time the water comes over your Hush Puppies.
Next!!
Jim Carroll   
Still not worked out a substitute for "Jom" give us a shout if you need a hand!