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Thread #147475   Message #3418277
Posted By: Bill D
11-Oct-12 - 05:43 PM
Thread Name: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
Subject: RE: BS: Is Doonesbury going too far?
That **is**, Joe, a very good reply and detailed outline of how humans advance their value systems.. or not.. thru life. I agree with that basic analysis and with YOUR approach to taking the (mystic) values of religion(s) to inspire and elevate thinking.

And the article is excellent also, as it recognizes the philosophical bases of the theory...especially deontology--- which I studied in courses on Kant. (Particularly "The Fundamental Principles of the Metaphysic of Morals")

The problem is that irrational behavior... defined as NOT moving past level 2 or 3 as they mature and learn... is rewarded in this society as long as they cite some 'belief' to justify not advancing. "Freedom of speech and/or religion" allows almost any fundamentalist doctrine to be recognized and tolerated... as long as they don't interfere with the right of others--- and the 'hate teachings' of The Westboro Baptist Church push the envelope to the limit and STILL are allowed to function.

I go back to that idea extremists have no incentive to do better as long as no line is drawn about how they ACT. Remember... belief systems are not black & white or just self-contained sets of ideas... they are a continuum with almost infinite gradations of beliefs from the simplest 'stage one or two' to complex, thoughtful, mystical enhancements! ...which is why I asked the question "why aren't the extremists right?" Where on the looooong series of beliefs do we say "THIS is too extreme"?
(reminds me of the line that 'excessive sex' is anyone who does it more than YOU do!)

I have more than once posted here the philosophic principle "From false premises, anything follows."... and the extremists DO have a point that others have beliefs based on teachings and ancient texts, so why dispute THEIR versions?

I don't know quite what to suggest... but I do see the basic impulse to restrict voting...etc... to those who can qualify under some set of arbitrary standards! **wry smile**