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Thread #40326   Message #2901271
Posted By: GUEST,Allan
06-May-10 - 11:26 AM
Thread Name: Lyr/Tune Req: The Rose of Allendale / Allandale
Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: The Rose of Allendale
"And the origin is definitely English coming from Northumbria, written by Charles Jeffrys, music by sidney Nolan around the 1840's."

It certainly seems to be English but can we say it comes from Northumbria? Did the writers come from there? It perhaps is written about a place in Northumbria or perhaps a place in Scotland. If the writer didn't leave a clue then we don't really know for certain.

If it is about a particular place then many point that it is about Scotland. The writer wrote other 'Scottish type' songs. The mention of 'Highland cot' in the song seems to suggest it is about Scotland. Plus of course the spelling (ie Allandale) in the earlier versions seems to point to it being about Scotland.

On the other hand in the reiving centuries English Borderers were described as Highlanders and the likes of Redesdale etc were described as being Highland. So maybe the writer is throwing back to that?

"In 1549 Camden wrote 'The chief [dales] are Tynedale and Redesdale, a country that William the Conqueror did not subdue, retaining to this day the ancient laws and customs. These Highlanders are famous for thieving; they are all bred up and live by theft."

Plus there is this URL below realting to an account of Jacobite Prisoners taken at Preston. On page 370 it lists Robert Patten, minister of Allandale. This is in fact the English 'Allendale" so at least some people used the Scottish spelling for the English place.

So it appears it isn't very clear where the writer is writing about if in fact he had any real place in mind.

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