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Thread #119236   Message #2591089
Posted By: greg stephens
17-Mar-09 - 12:15 PM
Thread Name: Musicians Quiting and Venues Dying
Subject: RE: Musicians Quiting and Venues Dying
A very interesting thread, congratulations to wrotham-arms-jen for raising this. There are plenty of discussions elsewhere about folk clubs that meet in pubs, it is good to concentrate for a while on folk music in the wild (as opposed to the zoo/hothouse/nursery or however you might term the "folk scene".
The economics is something we should all consider. I gather this Wrotham Arrms is somewhere in Kent near Broadstairs from the discussion; I don't know what the going rate is for pub bands round there, but in my patch(NW England, Stoke-on-Trent), 100-150 would probably be the norm.Clearly no living to be made for the musicians at that rate(if there is a duo or larger number involved). But absolutely no riches for the landlord either. A good night in our local with a band on is highly unlikely to generate enough extra money to pay the musicians and extra staff involved. At best, it gets the pub humming and people come back for a drink on the quiet nights. I absolutely congratulate the landlords of pubs who put on music, they are sticking their necks out and deserve all the praise we can give them. It doesn't matter what they put on, folk, rock whatever. If they've got any sense they'll book bands that people like, and it'll be good. Well played Jen, and any other landlords who put bands on.
    And a special congratulations to this Norcsalordie, who I haven't seen or heard but are obviously doing a fantastic job, judging what people are saying on this thread (both pro and anti). Folk music was created by the people for the people, and if this band is playing a version of it that is actually accessible to people in the public bar of a pub, well congratulations is all I can say. Folk clubs are full of musicians who wouldn't last five minutes faced with an actual audience of ordinary folk, so hats off to a band who seem to be making a point of taking the people's music back to the people.