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Thread #69413   Message #1180194
Posted By: GUEST
07-May-04 - 07:57 AM
Thread Name: BS: Militarism & the US culture of violence
Subject: RE: BS: Militarism & the US culture of violence
I'm not convinced Jim, that there is evidence to support your claim about the British military. And I'm not intending to be contrary or confrontational in saying that. I just don't think there is evidence to support the claim. British troops have been kept on a short leash in the last 30 or so years, and haven't been engaged in the imperial wandering that the American troops have, but that doesn't mean I think their culture is any less brutal than it has always been.

Perhaps the lives of those in the military has improved. But I don't think a legitimate case can be argued that their discipline regarding human rights and fair, decent treatment of those perceived as their enemy, has improved because in the places where that has been tested, like Northern Ireland, it hasn't been true.

How long did it take for a legitimate investigation and trial on the events of Bloody Sunday to be undertaken, for example? There were ongoing political assassinations involving the British loyalist paramilitaries working in collusion with British military intelligence that the BBC documented quite thoroughly that still have never been satisfactorily investigated and prosecuted.

But this is really a topic for a different thread. While the British military's culture and history of human rights abuses in Northern Ireland is germane to the conversation, I'm sure you understand why I wouldn't want to open up a debate on Northern Ireland in this thread.