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GUEST,Fred BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? (193* d) RE: BS: Womanly Jiggles. What's the verdict? 09 Aug 02

Well, I think we're talking about different things. By calling your idea b.s I meant only to disagree with you as much as I like, not to insult you in any way. No offense intended--this is, after all, a b.s. thread. But are you saying that if I am an expert, I can therefore feel free to insult you? What would that mean? I was talking about skinny or a bit of jiggles, by contemporary standards, and trying to say that that I think there's shadings, stylistic intonations, complexity in our perceptions of fashionable idealization--what I disagree with most is that it's simple. I didn't exactly say today's models are too skinny, I don't know which of them are simply skinny, or trying too hard to be skinny--just that it doesn't represent a model of health for everyone. Skinny can be as attractive as anything else, I think, and some people are skinny. I don't know about their menstrual cycles and don't think it's any of my damn business--that's what gets me. This Health b.s., everyone is everyone else's damn Doctor. I think it's come to be a commonplace pretext for gross rudeness. You seem to be talking about obesity vs a generally healthy range, which may vary from person to person, and from time to time, so I'll defer to your expertise, despite the Venus of Willendorf, ca. 25,000 b.c., and those fertility goddesses scattered about 5 and 6,000 bc, etc. They may have been observed from royalty, as you say. But, really--you introduced this in a discussion of "jiggles" and then link it in some evolutionary way to health, which sounded like a pseudo-logical support for those models who you find too skinny, as instead, a healthy ideal. I see that's not what you meant, but people often say things like that, and it's silly, it's out of proportion to the question. Don't you think? I took the question to be aesthetic, and historically, ideals of women have mostly tended to be jiggly. There was a time in Russian literature when a beautiful heroine's eyes were always black. If you wrote something else you were apparently not a very good writer. I don't know if most Russians then much preferred black eyes, but some probably came around, on at least some superficial level, to sort of go along with it as a general preference. Maybe it was nice to be seen courting a black-eyed girl. That's the kind of thing I was talking about, and I suppose I misunderstood you as trying to ramify today's idealization as a simple and sensible preference. I'm not even sure it really is a general preference, except in that reified sense. I meant no offence, really. Fred

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