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Jande Quebec City Protest of Free Trade. (112* d) RE: Quebec City Protest of Free Trade. 23 Apr 01

flattop - your article is certainly thought-provoking, and quite disturbing. The thing that saddens me about it is that Ian Angell seemingly has no conception of humanity as having a spiritual nature, or any form of spiritual purpose or any spiritual destiny whatsoever. If that were indeed the case, then all hope of humans achieving a decent and humane social order on this planet would indeed be in vain, and it would just be natural selection that drove events.

That is...survival of the most ruthless, the most greedy, the most vicious, the most well armed, the most wealthy, and the most empty.

Life in such a reality would not be worth living in any case, and I would say to those who envision themselves at the top of such a social order:

Sorry for the longish quote, but it was a ways back in the thread and deserves repeating IMHO.

In response to it... at last! LH, you've put your finger on something that frightens me about all this: The lack of voices from individual people on both sides of this issue regarding the fact that living as humans is not about being ruthless, but about being *moved* in one's guts by the joys and sufferings of our "neighbours" (in the Gospel sense of the word).

In discussions like this, and when I see things like riots and secret wool-over-the-eyes decision-making by our gov't leaders.

Someone else above quoted, "love of money is the root of all evil", but that is not the whole truth. Fear is the root of all evil, IMO. For example fear of deprivation leads to greed. (love of money is a form of greed) But this can be countered through love. If you love someone you will not be greedy with them no matter how much you fear. If you can be "moved in your guts" as Ivan Illich says, by another human being, your fears will be pushed aside.

What I find difficult about that is that fear can't just be turned on and off like a tap, through will power. But "being moved in one's guts" can do it.

I personally thank those who protested, though not the ones who used violence. I'm sorry for the way it turned out. I'm personally too battle-scarred to go through any more of those "peaceful" protests myself. But I am thankful that there are people who are willing to protest the secrecy and unerhanded tactics, and the things that affect thenm as individuals, for those are the things that affect me, too.

Thankyou, Rick for this thread.

Thankyou Flattop for the CBC article.

Thankyou CarolC for your insistence on being able to make up your mind without the namecalling, etc...

And thankyou LH, for helping me find my own voice on this subject. Sometimes the only effective response is an emotional one.

~ Jande

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