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Jim Carroll BS: UK thread, Politics and political (1525* d) RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political 28 Jun 20


'is likely to' is not a fact, it's your opinion.
I d=sid he was likely to - which is a fact - I didn't say he would
If the caninet is at each others throats
Unless you examined constituency figures, your doorstep comments came from the ant-Corbyn media - the one who launched an anti-Corbyn hate campaign from the minute he put in an appearance - many non active voters are bound to have ben influenced by that
Corbyn immediately launched an enquiry into anti-semitism accusations and published the results
If you believe there to be a serious problem - what is it ?
Ii is now as impossible to distinguish antisemitism from criticism of Israel as it is to criticise that terrororist state without being called "anti-Semitic"
Perceiving someone to be something is a million miles from proving they were
Some of the clearest statements on Labour antisemitism have come from Jewish People in the labour party who claim that it has been trumped up by supporters of Israel and right wingers wishing to get rid of Corbyn
Articles like the one reproduced below were once easy to find on the web - now they have all but disappeared
The Jewish voices in support of Corbyn have been censored almost out of existence   
Wonder if anybody has a comment on it here or are they all to eager to back this right-wing thug
Jim

As a Jewish Labour member, I'm sick of anti-Semitism being used as a political weapon against Jeremy Corbyn
Miccael Segalov IThe Indeendant, 26 September 2016

For years now Iíve travelled across the UK to report from far-right, fascist and neo-Nazi rallies. Iíve seen the real threat that faces Jews in the country, those who wear swastikas as badges of honour. Where was your concern for my community then?
Itís become an all too regular occurrence, waking up to headlines reporting that anti-Semitism in the Labour party is now an endemic problem, and that bad feeling against Jewish people in the party is on an upward trajectory.
As a Jewish Labour Party member, they are stories that should have me alarmed. I know from experience just how dangerous anti-Semitism can really be: vast swathes of my ancestors were lost to the murderous hands of the Nazis, and observant Jewish friends of mine have been harassed and attacked on British streets. Iíve read the slurs, faced the trolls, had neo-Nazis shout abuse in my face.
And yet itís not just anger against bigots that hits as I scan story after story, but frustration towards those trying to use an all too real threat facing my community for their own political gain. Since Corbynís election as Labour leader, unsupportive MPs, campaigning groups and journalists have been desperate to paint him and the movement who support him as anti-Semitic fanatics, despite knowing itís really not the case.
I could tell you about my own experiences, how Iíve never experienced or witnessed anti-Semitism inside the party Ė but thatís just what Iíve seen, non-Jewish defenders of my religion will claim. My experiences, and those of countless other Corbyn-supporting Jewish members who Iíve spoken to, arenít reflective of whatís really going on, apparently.
Just a few months ago, I found myself sat in the Channel 4 News studio, tasked with discussing anti-Semitism under Corbyn. Sat opposite me was John Woodcock MP, desperate to tell me itís the ďhard-leftĒ who are ďassociated [with] Soviet RussiaĒ with anti-Semitic views infiltrating the party who were responsible for stirring up hatred.
Now, we only need look at the most high-profile of cases to see that anti-Semitism is by no means a product of Corbynís supporters. Naz Shah, MP for Bradford West, was rightly suspended for sharing anti-Semitic posts on Facebook, not a Corbynite but a backer of Yvette Cooper in the last leadership election. Ken Livingstone, similarly sanctioned for his remarks about Hitler, has been a party grandee for decades. An insurgent? I think not.
Woodcock pointed me towards ďa rise in anti-Semitic incidentsĒ within the party, without having a single statistic or figure to back it up. Itís an answer I hear time and time again, and for those of us Ė Jewish or otherwise Ė committed to fighting anti-Semitism, enough is enough.
Itís tiring and itís frustrating, but moreover itís frankly dangerous.
For years now Iíve travelled across the UK to report from far-right, fascist and neo-Nazi rallies, and the counter-demonstrations that take place alongside. Iíve seen the real threat that faces Jews in the country, those who profess hatred for Jews and our religion, who wear swastikas as badges of honour, whoíll salute like a Nazi in front of your face. Where was your concern for my community then?
Itís not just the distinct absence of those MPs in Labour who now claim to be at the forefront of the fight against anti-Jewish prejudice thatís striking, but the presence of those they now claim to be British Jewryís biggest threat.
Itís the left, and Corbynís supporters, whoíve put their bodies on the line time and time again to protect us from these racist organisations.
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Thatís why these cries of anti-Semitism make a mockery of a real and present danger. Corbynís commitment to fighting discrimination and prejudice has een well documented for decades. His supporters are those whoíve stood alongside him. Accusing these people now of peddling prejudice is nothing but political point-scoring at its worst. It undermines real hatred, and waters down the impact of calling out anti-Semitism when it rears its ugly head.
Iím not saying Labour members havenít experienced anti-Semitism inside the Labour Party, and of course, a progressive movement like Labour should hold itself to higher standards than other organisations. Those few who blindly label all incidents of anti-Semitism as anti-Corbyn slander and restrictions on critiquing Israel need to listen to the voices of victims and let conversations about Judaism and Israel be led by Jewish members: we are here and we know how to speak.
This isnít to say I donít value the concern, but I want to make a few things perfectly clear. Anti-Semitism is not a problem particular to Labour; using the words ďJudaismĒ and ďIsraelĒ interchangeably is just as (if not more) common on the right as on the left.
Oppression, discrimination and Jewish identity are complex; the relationship between our religion and the state of Israel is constantly debated; disagreements will happen inside our community. Let us lead these discussions. Donít quickly take sides simply to advance your faction, angle or personal interests.
And if youíre truly concerned about fighting racism and anti-Semitism, I look forward to seeing you stand alongside us in meetings and on the streets.




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