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GUEST,Observer Chanteys in Royal Navy? (96* d) RE: Chanteys in Royal Navy? 02 May 19

Tried posting this earlier.

Well it would appear that in a thread about Chanteys in Royal Navy it is absolutely imperative that we hear about said Chanteys being sung by everybody else and that just because they may or may not have been sung in the US Navy, Coast Guard or Merchant Service then they MUST have been sung in the Royal Navy - load of complete and utter bollocks.

To paraphrase from something quoted from a earlier post:

Naval vessels had far larger crews which meant that work could involve many men and the effort was continuous. Merchant vessels with far smaller crews had to do the same work as staged work with frequent breaks. The former therefore did not require the use of "Chanteys" whereas the latter DID. So much for - "Managers of larger crews, navy and merchant, would be more inclined and better staffed and equipped to seek the advantage of music." - Why? In the same piece quoted it clearly stated that work on warships was performed more efficiently - note this is not speculation as one indicator of this is the comparison of losses at sea, many more merchant ships foundered and were wrecked than men o'war. Loads and loads of merchant navy sea shantys - as opposed to NO Royal Navy sea shantys - If that does not tell YOU anything it certainly does me.

Royal Navy requiring music to perform require evolutions at sea - I can just see it HMS Victory and HMS Royal Sovereign approaching the larger combined Fleets of France and Spain then just at the vital moment the cry goes up "Hold on a minute the fiddle isn't quite in tune" - bloody ridiculous notion.

Managers of larger crews? How many mudcatters who have spent any time at sea ever worked under a Manager on a ship, or sorry should that be fhip?

Revenue Cutters were manned by Excisemen of the "Waterguard" and were not part of the Royal Navy in war or in peace. For a period in the 19th Century they were named the Coast Guard under the control of the Admiralty but not part of the Royal Navy.

Question asked very early on about "landed guns" - These would be the two 4.7" guns and four 12 Pounder Guns that formed the secondary armament of warships HMS Terrible and HMS Powerful down in South Africa in 1899 at the time of the Boer War. The Army was short of artillery so these guns were stripped out of their ships and mounted on makeshift gun carriages and hauled by sailors. These guns were used to relieve the town of Ladysmith - No "stepping", no tunes, no singing, just "Jack" doing what he had to to get the job done by loads of effort and bloody hard work. Watch a field gun run and see who on earth could spare one single breath to sing a note.

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