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Gibb Sahib Should women sing chanties (203* d) RE: Should women sing chanties 29 Apr 19


"Women did use songs or chants when doing certain work,such as waulking,"

But waulking songs aren't chanties. It's an unrelated genre. So at best you're saying that there is a precedent for women singing a song applied to work... yet what if that is gendered work? ("Should men sing waulking songs?") And what does it have to do with chanties?

"should young children with no experience of hauling sails, working capstans or consuming a drop of Nelsonís Blood be singing such songs?"
Do you have some feeling that chanty singing is exclusive of children? Where does this strawman come from that someone needs to work a capstan to sing a chanty? "Said literally no one ever."

The OP never said anything about people needing to have done something to sing a genre of song. Yet respondents time and again take it to that theme. Do you guys have some anxiety about that? And isn't that a broader topic, on the lines of an idea that one earns the right or gains the ability to interpret a song based on experience?

This all is so far off from the actual question. Look, music making / singing tends to have a gender dimension. Historically and globally, for instance, men have dominated in the playing of instruments. Men tend to dominate public spaces of music-making as well. Cultures assign normative genders to genres, instruments, venues, etc. Performers may mark gender boundaries in the society through their performances in exclusive gender groups. Performers, by gender, communicate or reinforce gender roles in society.

In short, something can often be observed about gender in relation to music. To immediately dismiss all discussion and simply proclaim that everybody may perform every thing... I get it. It's your value: equality. Great, I believe in equality, too. But I think it's disingenuous and anti-intellectual to ignore historically constructed gender dimensions. In a given case, gender dimension might be irrelevant or of low importance, yes. But to think about is not such a ridiculous thing! Please don't caricature the topic by bringing in silly non-issues.


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