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GUEST,Karen Origin: Saint James Infirmary Blues (286* d) RE: Origin: Saint James Infirmary Blues 15 Nov 17

The other thing I wanted to say about Philips Barry is that he claims in his article that Joyce traces the Unfortunate Rake back to Ireland. Joyce did not do this. I looked up Joyce and checked it all the way through. Barry has missed out a step in his argument.

I note that the link called 'the usual text' posted above leads to a site which unhelpfully calls Goldstein's liner notes about a Folkways LP essential reading. They are not accurate and not to be relied on. I have been through all this. And the text to which they lead you is one sung by A L Lloyd, falsely asserting that this is a 19th century broadside version.   It isn't. See my posts on this above. Goldstein provides no evidence that either the title The Unfortunate Rake or the words St James appeared in the British Isles prior to 1900. He references an article by A L Lloyd explicitly stating that they appear in the Appalachians in 1918. Circles, going round in .......

At least in the Lloyd quote, Lloyd gets Cork right, whereas Goldstein, copying a mistake from another of his references incorrectly states Dublin. This is a reference back to Philips Barry, who, as I have explained, falsely asserts that Joyce traced the Unfortunate Rake back to Ireland.


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