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TheSnail BS: Logic and the laws of science (461* d) RE: BS: Logic and the laws of science 16 Jun 16

Thank you Steve Shaw for your comparison of evolution with your apple tree. It demonstrates my point admirably. Your apple tree can be seen, touched, heard, smelt and tasted. None of these is true of evolution. It is perfectly legitimate to say "Show me your apple tree" (in fact you have already invited me to come and see it) but it is not legitimate to say "Show me some evolution". The two things couldn't be more different.

Evolution is not just a new idea. It has been going on for most of the life of planet Earth, and would have been going on whether there were sentient minds available to try to explain it or not.
You could say the same of natural selection but you seem happy to accept that that is a theory and cannot be described as true.

It doesn't need a classroom dictator (Jeez, I was never that!) to decide whether evolution happens. It just does. Now that's my case
Yep. Steve Shaw says so.

Oddly, I can't seem to see yours anywhere.
You do have a bit of a track record of not seeing things I've said if they don't suit you like your denial to Pete that I had said "Show me some evolution". Try looking at my post of 15 Jun 16 - 12:08 PM.

It seems I was wrong to say that no individual was responsible for coming up with evolution, at least according to Darwin who claims it for himself.
From the introduction to On The Origin Of Species -

Although much remains obscure, and will long remain obscure, I can entertain no
doubt, after the most deliberate study and dispassionate judgment of
which I am capable, that the view which most naturalists until recently
entertained, and which I formerly entertained--namely, that each species
has been independently created--is erroneous. I am fully convinced that
species are not immutable; but that those belonging to what are called
the same genera are lineal descendants of some other and generally
extinct species, in the same manner as the acknowledged varieties of
any one species are the descendants of that species.

Not a natural phenomenon but something arrived at after "deliberate study and dispassionate judgment".

Happy Birthday for yesterday by the way.

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