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GUEST,Musket evolving slowly BS: The Pope's Survey (402* d) RE: BS: The Pope's Survey 17 Nov 13

Thanks Joe.

It does raise the question, pertinent to this thread, of what describes faith? The survey seems to be asking it!

You have mentioned many times your personal misgivings of some of your church's doctrine and the Catholic faith, far more than any other mainstream Christian faith expects adherence to the prescribed position. Hence my friend noting that asking members for guidance is a novel concept where infallibility is in the doctrine.

I and others on these threads have questioned how you reconcile Joe Offer with Catholic doctrine. None of our business of course! But you offer the opinion I suppose so exploring it with you is to be expected?

When your church has a stance on same sex or circumstances for abortion or role of women within the church. .. And it doesn't accord with yours, at which point would it be proper to ask who doesn't get Catholicism? They feel you don't and you feel they don't. To an outsider, it makes it easier to dismiss the overall message of your church.

Whilst not wishing to pry on your reasoning, which is your own, I did notice your line "I am s Catholic and I think abortion is wrong. " If you are not careful, you can end up with shallow idiots like me pondering whether your views on abortion happen to coincide with Catholic teaching or whether you feel your opinion is influenced by being a Catholic?

For what it is worth, I was involved with a nationwide inspection of all termination of pregnancy services across England carried out in the same week unannounced when the government thought the prevailing law was being abused by unscrupulous clinics.

My view hitherto had been, frankly, nothing to do with me and hadn't thought of it.   After carrying out a dozen inspections personally that week and reviewing the national findings, my view has progressed to each situation is different and must be decided jointly by the lady and those charged with her care, taking circumstances into account with no political, judicial or religious pressure.   Aborting a viable feutus for conveniencesake iis fundamentally wrong in my opinion yet I am minded of reading and discussing individual circumstances surrounding such cases. Cases where the clinical risks of not intervening are strong are not, in my opinion, the concern of anyone except the clinical team and the patient in a best interest decision.

I would be concerned if after this survey, members of the Catholic faith in The UK were told to adopt a stance that differed to what anyone in The UK has the right to expect in any sense. (Note I said UK. Normally that is shorthand for The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. On abortion, the Stormont Assembly has laws nearer to their neighbours to the south. A recent death of a pregnant lady highlights the problem with that approach and indeed where religion seems to overtake the needs of people not signed up to that particular faith.

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