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GUEST,josepp BS: 'Heroes' or Mercenaries? (193* d) RE: BS: 'Heroes' or Mercenaries? 05 May 12

////As I said, preparedness to die is not a useful distinction.////

It isn't??? Tell that to the people living around Chernobyl. They'll tell you about the men who willingly gave their lives to stanch the radiation in a melted reactor to save them.

And it's absurd to read comments about soldiers and their duties from people who never spent a day in the military and, indeed, clearly look down on those who do. It does NOT take courage to refuse to obey an illegal order--you don't know what you're talking about.

If you obey an illegal order gues what happens to you--that's right, you get charged with it. They fuck you for obeying it. Anyone who has spent any time at all in the military knows that the average military person lives by one rule: CYA--COVER YOUR ASS! If you don't, you will pay the consequences. When you refuse to obey an illegal order, you do so to cover your ass.

What about the marine who has publicly refused to obey any orders from Obama because he views them all as illegal? Hero or idiot?

What about the officer that was a doctor who said he wouldn't obey any order from Obama because Obama is not an American citizen and therefore cannot legally give him orders. Hero or stupid ass?

Soldiers don't disobey illegal orders or blow whistles on torture or anything else trying to be heroes. They are concerned that if they don't, someone else will do it first and implicate them. They are covering their ass. Even if you didn't participate, it doesn't look good that you stayed silent, it implicates you. They may become heroes in the process but that wasn't their intention.

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