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InOBU BS: Well done the RAF & Navy (68* d) RE: BS: Well done the RAF & Navy 07 Mar 11

Hi Chris:

Always a pleasure to hear from you. I have nothing but respect for the soldiers of WWII... however a few misplaced facts. We Quakers were fighting fascism decades earlier than the governments of the world. We, for example, were involved in a massive food program to Germany during the famine between the wars, for which, the German people would not let the nazis put us in camps with the rest of the utopian religionists who faced untold horrors, ignored by the rest of the worl.
As a result, at great risk, Quakers remained in Germany through out, un-armed and rescuing Jews and others targeted by the nazi horror. Britain and the US did nothing to help the victims of nazism, until camps were over-run in the course of the war, not even bombing the rail lines leading into the camps, when asked to do so by Jews who escaped those camps, bringing evidence to Britain and the US.
No, it was not the brave soldiers, like your dad, but the government policies which were self serving and had no thought to bring about a just world, but rather claimed it was a fight to save the victems of nazism, just as WWI was claimed to be a war for the rights of small nations... as Britain bombarded Ireland from the deck guns of the Helga (if memories served).
The time to end war, is not after hostilities begin, but before they start, just as when the US sent food into Somalia and was shocked to be shot at by guns we had been pouring into that nation for years. We were shocked at the rise of nazism, while at the same time branding the Abraham Lincoln brigade members and Quakers as pre-mature anti-fascists.
And, by the way, yes Ireland sent her children to Spain, on both sides. The Replicans sent troups to the 15 Int. brigade to fight along side of the US reds, while Fin na Gael sent the blue shirts to fight with Franco and Hitler (remember the Swastika cleaner lorries in Dublin in the seventies???)
Our war against fascism began in the 1620s. We Quakers did not support the American war of "independance" - which was in fact a war against Pitt's attempts to stop importation of slaves by cracking down on smuggling booze (the sugar tax, tea was thrown into the harbour as sugar was too valuble...) We fought against fascism by putting our lives on the line helping Black folks steal themselves out of slavery. We fought against fascism by sending food to the North Vietnamese while 45,000 young Americans died in a meaningless war.
So, again, it is not your father who I have little reguard for, it is the sociopaths who lead us into war for their own profit again and again, and we go puppies because a major industrial power can get it together to get their citizens out of a crumbling third whorld power - in a region devistated by the wars which start with the CIA and BP.
Discussions like this are much better had over a pint or two, no offence meant. It is just that I have seen war up close and it is a sickness which we best be rid of. And yet, we keep attempting to end wars with war, and keep expecting a different outcome ( one discription of mental illness.)
All the best
Is mise, le meas, a mhic, Slan agus beannact

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