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GUEST,Tom Bliss Is traditional song finished? (621* d) RE: Is traditional song finished? 08 Mar 10


"Do I, as potential audience, have any right to expect anything remotely resembling the accepted definition of folk song which my, and just about everbody I was involved with's understanding of the term is based on?"

Err, actually - given that you're talking about a time long gone by - no, I don't think you do.

You have every right to expect something remotely resembling what a majority of the population might describe as folk song in 2010 - and you'd get it.

"I knew what to expect when I first became involved - all gone now."

No, not gone at all - just called by a different but universally understood name. Go looking for Traditional Song, and you'll not go far wrong.

"I am not and have never been a member of..... the group who would RESTRICT folk clubs to the 1954 definition"

Well you did a good job fooling me - I thought that was the whole point of your objection. You seem furious that you might accidentally go to a venue with Folk in the title, and then hear some music which does not fit the 54 definition - so therefore isn't folk. (Actually my comment wasn't loaded - I was describing a type of club so i could talk about it, but we'll let that go).

"My point has been right along that folk song forms provide perfect templates for new songs, but what is being proposed steps far beyond that - we really are talking 'Jumpin' Jack Flash', Dvorak and The Beatles here."

If you're allowing new songs formed from templates borrowed from traditional songs then you'll allow ALL of mine, and 99% of the songs you'll hear in every club in Britain. But you've never said that before - you accuse people like me who borrow bits and styles from traditional songs, play them in folk venues, and then don't object when others call it folk frauds and interlopers.

If you want to know how many clubs with the word Folk in the title (that's the label issue, yes?) encourage 'Jumpin' Jack Flash', Dvorak and The Beatles, I'd say very VERY few.

You'll hear stuff I probably wouldn't call folk occasionally in clubs calling themselves Folk Clubs, but it's quite rare. You'll hear it in some singarounds and open mics, and some will call it folk because of the context, but that's ok - the context argument has also been proven by communal acceptance.

If that's all you're worried about than I think you need to relax.

"If the existing definition is now redundant - what has replaced it (leaving aside SO'P's "anything that takes place at a folk club" silliness). "

The definition is NOT redundant. Merely, the word used to describe it has changed. I have given you the loose, vague, but nevertheless true new definition of the original word many many times.

Google 'Folk song definition'..

I just did, and this came top:

Definitions of folk song on the Web:

a song that is traditionally sung by the common people of a region and forms part of their culture
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Folk music can have a number of different meanings, but most commonly refers to Traditional music. The original meaning of the term "folk music ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_song

A song originating among the working people of urban and rural areas, and handed by oral tradition; A song in this style which may have been written in recent times
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/folk_song

I'm happy with all of that. Why can't you be?


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