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GUEST,Volgadon England's National Musical-Instrument? (1943* d) RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? 18 Oct 08

IB - "mono-cultural shit-hole of pre-1960s England" all the talk from our elders of better community spirit, being able to leave their front door open without fear, etc., is nonsense?

I keep my front door open (or at least I did until we got 3 large dogs that like to bark at the neighbours and will get out unless the door is locked) in multicultural Israel, in the year 2008. It helps that I live in a small community where we all know each other. Were I to live in the city, I would lock my doors, certainly.
You'll find that this was the case even centuries ago, when England supposedly was a far more English place, just look at some Hogarth or read about the Fielding brothers.

Volgadon: The "native-born returnee" may be fully qualified and willing to do the job of the immigrant; the "native-born returnee" may have a better chance of work if attitudes toward immigration, repatriation, land rights, etc., changed.

Wav, how many of the positions you applied for were given to immigrants? Come on, be honest. Don't you think the problem might be that you don't interview well?

There's a programme on TV here called "Wanted Down Under" and, at the end of it, a couple have to decide between Australia or staying here - I haven't watched all the episodes (there's jobsearching to be done, etc.) but not once have I heard any consideration given to Aborigines and land, more than 2 centuries on, for some or many here, they still don't enter the equation when it comes to leaving here for there, which I find revolting.

As far as I'm aware of, it is about families moving to big cities, such as Adelaide. I'm pretty sure they aren't taking up more land, unless you are proposing that the entire city be uprooted, the inhabitants transferred, the land returned to the Kaurna. In the which case, in avoidance of hypocrisy, are you also a proponent of being uprooted yourself so the land can be given back to the ancient Britons? Might I remind you that your surname is Franks, not Caratacus.

Back on thread, recorder may come from the olde English word "recorden" which means to warble or sing and I, for one, at least try to play it like I sing and sing like I play.

Wav, that is cobblers. Shows that you don't do credible research, but rely on websites such as this one.

Try this on for size.

"It has long been suggested that the earliest reference to the recorder is provided by the household accounts of the Earl of Derby (later King Henry IV) for 1388 which mention i. fistula in nomine Ricordo, a flute called a Ricordo. Trowell (1957) remarks that ricordo is Italian for a "remembrance, souvenir, keepsake, memento, sign of friend-ship, token", derived from the Latin recordari (to remember), and notes further that during the Middle Ages, the gift of a musical instrument was a recognised custom of civility and a means to obtaining a reward, and indeed an excellent 'memento' of favours received or expected. Although the Italian origin of ricordo itself has been questioned (Bornstein 1987: 45-56; Griscom & Lasocki 1994: 19), Higbee (1965: 128) supports Trowell's derivation of 'recorder' from a form of the Latin recordari. Wright (1965: 341) suggests an origin from the English 'to record', meaning to memorise, to recall, to practice and to recite, to sing or to play and thus the Earl of Derby's ricordo may represent no more than an attempt to render a pre-existing English word 'recorder' in a Latin document." (

The rest of the page is interesting, it suggests that recorders were a fad from Europe.

again, I hate imprialism/white supremecy, etc. - be it Nazi, Victorian, or any other.

Imperialism and white supremacy (I don't know where you got supremecy from, is it an American, or perhaps Australian variant?) are hardly synonymous, so why the back slash? I have asked you this, I think, three times. Do you consider imperialism to be imposing one's culture and or set of ideas on someone else?

And "Without immigration, England had no culture worth a shit."?!
And "grey monochrome flavourless bland as boiled fucking cabbage"?!...I think these are the views of an extreme pro-immigrationist which, if I wasn't around, a lot of the people here would oppose; and one of the reasons I won't permanently "fuck off back to Australia" is because I genuinely DO like our English cultural heritage.

He is absolutely right, Wav. Without immigration, indeed, without imperialism, the English culture that you profess to love, even that 'far more English' England of 50 years ago, would not be around. As I pointed out, your own surname is not an ancient Briton one. Not even Anglo-Saxon. The Normans, your ancestors, were some of the biggest imperialists and capitalist immigrants the world has known.

Radish - "That's a 'Yes', then. England should be mono-cultural, nobody should come here except asylum seekers from a nearby country, and those who do come here should assimilate to 'English culture'."...I've said economic/capitalist (NOT ALL)immigration/emigration should stop, the world over, from now on...and I've also given examples of other kinds of immigration/emigration above.

The beauty in this is that there AREN'T any neighbouring countries with this sort of refugee problem, so England won't have to be soiled by any asylum seekers! That is, unless there are some from Iceland, as I assume he would guide the French to Spain or Germany.

Wav, do you consider yourself a Christian? If the answer be yes, do you believe in the New Testament?

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