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Richard in Manchester BS: Robert Lloyd poem 'The Law Student' (12) BS: Robert Lloyd poem 'The Law Student' 02 Aug 06


I asked about this some years ago, but I'm not sure there was ever an answer.

From the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations:

"Alone from Jargon born to rescue law
From precedent, grave hum and formal saw
To strip chicanery from its vain pretence
And marry Common Law to Common Sense"

I believe there is more to the poem. Does anyone know the rest of it?

Robert Lloyd lived from 1733 - 1764 (in England), and the poem was written for Lord Mansfield, the reformist Lord Chancellor of the time. It reads like an 18th century plea for plain language in the law; things never change, do they? Mansfield was known for his clear explanations of his judgments.

'Hum' means a sham or hoax, and 'saw' is a maxim or proverb.

I've looked high and low in libraries and second-hand bookshops but haven't yet found a single volume of Lloyd's. Some anthologies have one or two of his other poems but not this one. Can anyone help?


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