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GUEST,Arne Langsetmo BS: WMDs were NOT found in Iraq. (116* d) RE: BS: WMDs were NOT found in Iraq. 16 Nov 05


Teribus:

Yep, it was me (don't always remember to fill in the "From" field...)

Any mention of the word search there Arne?

You weren't on Clinton's legal defence team, were you? Well, let me tell you, Scooter and ROve might be able to use your "talents" right now....

Oh Arne, NOW, in the light of inspections subsequent to March 2003,....

Ummmm, Saddam certainly wasn't "co-operating" with these "inspections".    Or perhaps you misspelled "searches".

Pretty d*** lame excuse-making here. And just a FYI, it wasn't me that wanted the U-2 overflights; it was Blix, so if you want to argue about the efficiency of such (as if that makes any difference to your evasions here), go argue it with him. But don't think you're making any useful points here with your "red herrings". Rather than try and tell me that Blix is an eedjit, try and figure out for yourself why he asked for all that stuff. He asked for this sutff and he got it, so plenty of pretty smart people thought it a useful thing to have....

Yes, Blix (and the U.N.) thought that a detailed and accurate report on the alleged disposition/destruction of any suspected WoMD or materials would help them to verify those cases where the weapons actually had been disposed of (and in fact, as I pointed out, this was used to verify to a reasonable degree that the stories matched the evidence). In cases where the stories matched what the inspectors found, the inspectors could at least provisionally cross off specific items of concern. But as everyone here (and elsewhere) but you seems to have figured out, that was only half the job (a half made easier by specific information about positive evidence that could be checked out). The other half, necessary (at least I'd think so to you, who seem overly concerned with the slightest possibility of a hint of the tiniest amonts of "weapons related program activities" so as to ward off your nightmares about muchroom clouds), was to check to make sure there weren't any other WoMD that might not have been suspected or known about, new programs, hidden facilities, oh, say, things like "mobile bioweapons labs" that the U.S. knew he had, but which he disclaimed any knowledge of. For that, you have to jus go search. It's not too hard to understadn, Teribus. You ought to at least make the effort....

Nobody was prepared to believe that [Saddam no longer had weapons] back in 2002, on the totally reliable evidence and reporting of the UN (AT THAT TIME).

Not true (and more so when you include the early months of 2003). Quite a number of people thought there was little chance he had any significant weapons, and a lot of people thought that the U.S. 'intelligence' to the contrary was in fact far more full'o'sh***.

If you want my take, I've been in business long enough to know a "dog and pony show" when I see one, and Powell's presentiation at the U.N. was just that. I criticised the U.K. dossier when it first came out (and then there were the subsequent revelations that the U.K dossier was largely plagiarized from a pre-GW1 grad stundent's paper, leading to even greater scepticism as to its value).

When these things start becoming apparent, you have to take a step back and say that your "worst case" analysis might be just that ... but in a quite unintended sense ... and that you might need to reconsider what a reasonable course of action is under the circumstances. OF course, this was never done, and this will become more and more apparent over time (as Dubya's honesty ratings go down the toilet).

Pretty sad, Teribus, but you'd do yourself a favour if you'd show the intellectual honesty and intelligence to jump the sinking ship before the patent dishonesty of your position becomes so obvious as to permanently stain your reputation. Lots of folks are doing it, certainly the Democrats who have seemingly evolved a backbone, and now even Republicans who are more and more worried that they personally will be taken down in the sucking whirlpool when the good ship Dubya slips under the waves....

Point 1. The unilateral and unauthorised destruction of WMD weapons, agents and materials was forbidden under UNSC Resolutions and by the agreement reached at Safwan.

They did it right after the war. Maybe a bad idea, but it's a hard thing to undo (and kind of pointless to try). You really gong to hold it against them that they destroyed stuff in an unauthorised manner?

NOW COMPLETE WHAT DR: BLIX STATED IN HIS REPORT - but those results were inconclusive with regard to the amount destroyed.

Indeed. Which is why Blix had no problems with searching elsewhere to make sure none had been squirreled away.

The UN Security Council unanimously decided that Saddam's co-operation was essential to the success of UNMOVIC's mission in Iraq. FACT.

Once again, simply declaring somethign doesn't make it so. Perhaps you think that Russia needs to invade Iraq now to make sure that there's no WoMD hidden there, seeing as we never got the "co-operation" of Saddam in doing our survey. Maybe they can go do it "right" and trot him along and do it the way you insist. Then we can finally sleep peacefully, eh?

You really do have a perverse idea of the way things work in the real world. Or you're just intentionally intellectually dishonest.....

Cheers,


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