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GUEST,Arne Langsetmo BS: reasons Liberals fail (200* d) RE: BS: reasons Liberals fail 08 Oct 05

Liberals complete the quote, which most people don't. "My country, right or wrong" Then comes " When wrong, to be put right".

Here's my favourite rejoinder (but I can't claim authorship; it was some other "liberal" who came up with it....):

Many a time have I heard quoted to me Stephen Decatur's famous words:

    "Our Country! In her intercourse with foreign nations may she
    always be right; but our country, right or wrong."

I tend to favor the lesser known quote that one person, who would serve
as one of our U.S. Presidents, gave in response when he had heard of
the one that Decatur gave:

    "I can never join with my voice in the toast which I see in the
    papers attributed to one of our gallant heroes. I cannot ask of
    heaven success, even for my country, in a cause where she should be
    in the wrong. Fiat Justitia, pereat coelum [let justice be done
    though heaven should fall]. My toast would be, may our country
    always be successful, but whether successful or otherwise, always

                        -- John Quincy Adams, Letter to John
                           Adams, August 1, 1816.

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