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Chief Chaos BS: Lies, Lies, Lies (119* d) RE: BS: Lies, Lies, Lies 27 May 04

Ake - So what do you suppose we should do about them? Turn the middle east to glass and start over? My suggestion would have been a covert operation to Iraq, recovery of a few scud missiles which I would have promptly chucked into Iran, thus starting another Iran/Iraq war taking care of two birds with one stone. Still it's not likely that the rest of the world would sit easy with either.

As far as anti-america goes, I don't think anyone here is actually anti-american. The problem here is that some are so pro-American patriotic that they can't see where we have gone wrong over the years and earned some of the hatred that is directed against us. If we didn't keep mucking about in other countries politics, if American based companies didn't keep coming in and taking advantage of "cheap labor" and operating with total disregard for any of the labor, environmental, and safety laws, if America used compassionate guidance instead of strong arm threats and tactics. Just because we have the largest and best military doesn't mean we have to employ it as diplomatic policy.

I don't hate Bush, I don't like many of his policies. This is far different than the 8 years of witch hunts that went on before. Everything that Clinton (scum that he is) said and did was scrutinized intensly, investigated to the nth degree (three investigations into Vince Foster's death and some still believe Clinton killed him). Every action that Clinton might have taken was gleefuly described as "Wag the dog" and "cover for his indiscretions". When they finally got him for Monica Lewinsky and lying to Congress (who had no business asking him in the first place) Most of us were extremely tired of the whole process.

Now how can you expect anyone on the left not to reciprocate? Especially when you consider things like the energy policy being written with Enron's assistance (just prior to their collapse for juggling the books), former Enron employees making up a great deal of the current administration, the whole process cloaked in secrecy. A Vice President who claims that he is not influenced by his former position when every decision he advises on for the energy industry directly affects his pension? A President that won't answer whther he ever used illicit substances when this was a big deal in the Clinton years. Claims of service that don't seem to have a paper trail. Etc, Etc. Etc. And we haven't even gotten to the weapons of mass distruction. Yes the warheads, although unloaded, were WMD's but where are the chemicals meant to fill the warheads? That's what most people are thinking of. And most of us don't regard Mustard Gas as a WMD. A major pain in the ass which could cause some deaths and incapacitate most it came in contact with, but not anything along the lines of the different nerve gases. And nothing like Phosgene, Chlorine or Cyanide in intensity. One warhead filled with Sarin? We've misplaced battle tanks and warships in this country. I can see someone coming across the shell and deciding to use it not even knowing what was in it. Given the materials used to make the shells and the high technology used to keep an eye on Iraq since the previous Gulf War I find it hard to comprehend why we haven't found any stockpiles. And if we find Sudan or Syria know has these types of weapons how do we know they came from Iraq? Saddam's nuclear program was apparently pushing up the daisies (quite literally). The jets found burried were from the previous war and wouldn't work well without a really good overhaul.

We were given dire threats of mushroom clouds and massive casualties that we had to prevent and yet no WMDs were used on our troops as we went in even though Saddam had to know at the time that the jig was up.

The biggest problem I see is that where once we had a country with a pretty incompetent military, we are now training their replacements.
Another problem is that our ports, borders and rail lines go pretty much unsecured with all of the troops employed elsewhere.

And the only out from Iraq that I see is to divide the country into thirds in relative proportion to the different sect populations and then get massive UN involvement to prevent a civil war.

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